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  1. US Pakistani Relations hit a new nadir
    Posted on 16 September 2011.

    Kayani refuses action against Haqqanis. Gilani cancles trip to US.

    US Pakistani relations have hit a new low. At the NATO conference in Spain, General Kayani refused to buckle to US pressure in fresh action in North Waziristan. Prime Minister Gilani just canceled a trip to the US to protest US finger pointing at Pakistan in the aftermath of the attack on Kabul.

    In a sign of the times, Iran and Pakistan are forming a joint airline, and the PPL is joining forces with Iranian Oil and Gas companies for joint exploration of Oil and Gas. The United States has renewed its opposition to the multi-billion-dollar Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline, warning that Islamabad’s continuous pursuit of the plan may invoke US sanctions.

    The US Ambassador, Mr. Munter has made some serious charges based on spurious links between Pakistan and the Haqqanis and the attack on Kabul.

    According to sources from both sides no top leader from either side visited the other side. There is no information available regarding the expected or possible high-level meeting between the top leadership of either country in the near future. Other than the Mullen-Kayani meeting, there has been to schedule for meetings between Gilani and Obama.

    The Pakistani Finance Minister Dr Abdul Hafeez Shaikh has said that Pakistan doesn’t need IMF programme immediately and that it can pay IMF installments. According to press reports Dr Hafeez Shaikh said Pakistan would return $1.2 billion loan of IMF this year. He added that the economy is able to return the loans.

    As the US withdraws its forces from Afghanistan, it is looking for a patsy, someone to blame the defeat on.

    Karzai's time in power is coming to a close. He will retire, as the Afghan constitution requires, in 2014, at the end of his second term as President – the same year in which US-led forces will withdraw from a frontline role.

    The rising row between India and China may spiral out of control “China cherishes the Sino-Indian friendship, but this does not mean China values it above all else.”

    Shireen Mazari writes in the Nation–”It is high time to tell the United States that Pakistan would deal with its immediate neighbours in line with its national interest and would not take any dictation from anyone. The gas pipeline project with Iran is a lifeline for us for overcoming the energy crisis. The US energy team which held its last session on Thursday came up with a strange demand that Pakistan should abandon this project and instead offered assistance for the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India gas pipeline project (TAPI) as an alternative option..”

    http://rupeenews.com/?p=37760&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RupeeNews+%28Rupee+News%29

    Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2011 10:12 #
  2. scandinavian
    Member

    This is a (yet another) cheap tactics of the US government. They have cornered the current INCOMPETENT and CORRUPT to the core rulers of Pakistan. There is ONLY ONE solution and that is to change the current rulers and install a new government which has a vision, backbone to resist the Yankees, will power to stand on own legs and moral strength to ask the Pakistanis living in Pakistan and abroad to stand up for Pakistan both morally and financially. Phir amreeka key aisi key taisey!

    Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2011 10:25 #
  3. mangoman
    Blocked

    Considering the security situation in Afghanistan, TAPI is a non-starter...but at a later time in future, when inevitable Pak-Afghan union is achieved, we could just have a TP (Turkmenistan-Pakistan) gas pipeline.

    For the time being, we should definitely go ahead with Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline...US should stop whining like a lil' girl...Pakistan must do whatever is in its interest and IP pipeline is most definitely in our interest...this project should not be stopped, instead move ahead with full swing.

    Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2011 10:30 #
  4. scandinavian
    Member

    I was also thinking about this one:

    Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14960725

    US envoy links Haqqani militants to Pakistan government


    The Haqqani network has been described as the glue that binds together militant groups

    There is evidence linking the Haqqani militant network to Pakistan's government, the US ambassador to Pakistan has said in a radio interview.

    "This is something that must stop," Cameron Munter told Radio Pakistan, when discussing Tuesday's militant assault on the Afghan capital, Kabul.

    At least 25 died during a 20-hour-long attack blamed on the Haqqani group, who are believed to be based in Pakistan.

    Pakistani authorities have consistently denied links with militant groups.

    The Haqqani network, which is closely allied to the Taliban, has been blamed for several high-profile attacks against Western, Indian and government targets in Afghanistan.

    It is often described by Pakistani officials as a predominantly Afghan group, but correspondents say its roots reach deep inside Pakistani territory, and speculation over its links to Pakistan's security establishment refuse to die down.

    "The attack that took place in Kabul a few days ago that was the work of the Haqqani network, and the fact that, as we have said in the past, that there are problems, there is evidence linking the Haqqani network to the Pakistan government, this is something that must stop," Mr Munter said in the interview.

    Although US officials have long harboured suspicions about the alleged links, they rarely make such public and direct statements.

    Deteriorating relations
    In July the top officer in the US military, Adm Mike Mullen, said the Pakistani government "sanctioned" the killing of investigative journalist Saleem Shahzad. The Pakistani government called that statement "irresponsible".

    Analysts say that US officials have long been frustrated at what they perceive to be Pakistani inaction against the Haqqani network, thought to based in Pakistan's tribal areas.

    Last week, Washington said it could target the Haqqani network on Pakistani soil if the authorities there failed to take action against the militants.

    Ties between the uneasy allies deteriorated sharply after the killing of al-Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden on Pakistani soil by US commandos in May.


    The network is thought have bases in Pakistan's volatile tribal regions

    US drone strikes targeting militants in the tribal areas and the controversy over the release of Raymond Davis, the CIA contractor who killed two Pakistani men in Lahore, had already strained ties.

    Mr Munter acknowledged that relations had been "tough" and went on to say that it was time for the two countries to work together to defeat the militants.

    "From our side we think that fighting them together is the best way to do it," he said.

    Haqqani interview
    But Sirajuddin Haqqani, the son of the leader of the network, has told the Reuters news agency that the group no longer has sanctuaries on Pakistani soil because it felt secure inside Afghanistan.

    "Gone are the days when we were hiding in the mountains along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. Now we consider ourselves more secure in Afghanistan besides the Afghan people," he said.

    He also said that the group would take part in peace talks with Kabul and the US if the Taliban endorsed such talks as well.

    Previously the group has rejected such overtures, the agency reported.

    But he declined to comment on Tuesday's attack on Kabul saying that he had been instructed by senior leaders not to say anything if Western interests were attacked.

    "For some reasons, I would not like to claim that fighters of our group had carried out the recent attack on US embassy and Nato headquarters," he said.

    Reuters said they spoke to Sirajuddin Haqqani by telephone from an undisclosed location.

    Analysts say US concern about the capabilities of the Haqqani network is particularly acute as Nato begins withdrawing troops from Afghanistan.

    Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2011 10:41 #
  5. sultanalikhan
    Member

    Unless and until Pakistan leadership stands up to bullying tactics of the Uncle Sam, Pakistanis will remain under permanent threat, and never be able to put their country on the path of progress and prosperity.....

    Mind it prosperity doesn't come cheap and easy, nor without sacrifices and hardship.....One has to put one's foot down.......wonder who would that hero be?

    If Zardari does as much as stand tall and look in the eyes of the americans, I am sure his countrymen will forgive him for looting Pakistan blind...He would be a hero of masses for ever!!!!

    Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2011 11:25 #
  6. aftab arif
    Member

    The Pakistani ruling class are on board with the Yanks. The day they decide to shoot down the drones, that will be a true act of defiance, or stop the supply line for NATO/US forces, everything else is hogwash. A false sense of Military patriotism is being projected by our media.

    Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2011 11:39 #
  7. mangoman
    Blocked

    @ SultanAliKhan,

    >> If Zardari does as much as stand tall and look in the eyes of the americans, I am sure his countrymen will forgive him for looting Pakistan blind...He would be a hero of masses for ever!!!! <<

    What you said is a contradiction in itself.

    So called leaders...Zardari the 10% and Mian Kuggoo $harif...who blindly looted and plundered the wealth of our nation, can NEVER take a stand for us and for our rights.

    We need CHANGE...we need a government who is NOT corrupt...we need a leadership who is credible and honest...and for that, people are now willing and ready to vote for Imran Khan and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.

    Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2011 11:48 #
  8. scandinavian
    Member

    @Mangoman

    "So called leaders...Zardari the 10% and Mian Kuggoo $harif...who blindly looted and plundered the wealth of our nation, can NEVER take a stand for us and for our rights."

    Off course they CANNOT/WILL NOT, because the parrot (their life) is in the hands of the West...to be read as that their wealth is accumulated in abundance in the West and hence they are afraid of it getting freezed.

    Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2011 12:10 #
  9. sultanalikhan
    Member

    @Mangoman.......I am all for giving Imran Khan a chance.....what we got to lose, right? Yeah!!!!

    Up there, I was daydreaming....and I am quite entitled to that, I think?.....

    I am still a strong believer that miracles do happen, so I am expecting Zardari to perform that miracle!!!

    Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2011 13:04 #
  10. aftab arif
    Member

    Imran Talking against War Of Terror

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0154yfm/The_Andrew_Marr_Show_18_09_2011/

    Imran is on the show between 17th and 23rd minute, so fast forward, if you don't want to get bored with rest of the show.

    Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2011 17:20 #
  11. scandinavian
    Member

    @Aftab

    It looks like it is only available in UK.

    Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2011 17:51 #
  12. aftab arif
    Member

    @ Scandinavian

    Sorry mate!

    Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2011 17:56 #
  13. saladin89
    Member

    Maybe Mr Kiyani is changing his stance, and realised that kissing the boots of US has to stop. Or maybe this is another ploy to get more dollors.

    Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2011 23:08 #
  14. Well, a drone has been brought down now on Pakistani soil so we can just about regard this article as a piece of truth-telling. Even our Pakistan will get its day in the sun sometime, never fear.

    Posted 8 months ago on 19 Sep 2011 7:14 #
  15. aftab arif
    Member

    Imran Khan: 'America is destroying Pakistan. We're using our army to kill our own people with their money'

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2011/sep/18/imran-khan-america-destroying-pakistan

    Posted 8 months ago on 19 Sep 2011 12:51 #
  16. sultanalikhan
    Member

    I read that article in full....and found Imran Khan bang on target.....

    my only wish; people of pakistan give a chance to IK..we got nothing to lose..

    if he too turns out to be another disappointment, then at least we will not have this "tension" of not testing Imran Khan.....

    Besides, we can always go back to our miserable ways!!!!

    Posted 8 months ago on 19 Sep 2011 13:38 #
  17. scandinavian
    Member

    @SAK

    You are right, but I believe nobody can do worse than the current so called "leaders".

    Posted 8 months ago on 19 Sep 2011 13:53 #
  18. scandinavian
    Member

    Excerpts from Aftab's link:

    "But that Pakistani generosity, he realises, articulates an important principle of Islam, of doing good deeds to get to heaven. In the book he writes that he asked why poor people would give such high proportions of their income to a cancer hospital not even in their own town. "It was always the same reply, 'I am not doing you a favour. I am doing it to invest in my Hereafter.'"

    That geneoristy proved a catalyst for Khan's political career, he writes: "I started thinking that these people were capable of great sacrifice. Could these people not be mobilised to fight to save our ever-deteriorating country?" He may have a sentimental vision of poor Pakistanis but Khan has no doubt: they will revolutionise Pakistan, led by him."

    Inshallah!

    Posted 8 months ago on 19 Sep 2011 14:07 #
  19. aftab arif
    Member

    The starting point is that the Afghan war cannot be won militarily. The budgetary environment in Washington and the opposition to the war in Western opinion compel the US to seek a political settlement, while the broader US regional strategies in Asia and the grand design for the advancement of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) as a global force require the establishment of a long-term military presence in Afghanistan.

    The US's doublespeak about the militant Haqqani network exposes its predicament. Hardly two months ago, US officials sat down with the Haqqani leadership in the presence of the head of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Shuja Pasha. The back channel is at work even today between the US and the Haqqanis and, conceivably, ISI is continuing to provide its services as the facilitator. So, what happened all of a sudden?

    Presumably, any US attack on Waziristan in Pakistan's tribal areas would be predicated on the faint hope of dividing the Pashtuns so that the latter's concerted opposition to the establishment of US military bases would dissipate. But the ground reality is that no matter the factionalism within the Taliban and the US's success - to a very limited extent, if any - to drive temporary wedges into that factionalism, Pashtuns have a great tradition of getting together whenever they come under attack by a foreigner.

    These circumstances compel the US to lean on Pakistan to get the Taliban groups to fall in line with its strategic agreement with Kabul, which is all ready for signature. Washington is getting an optimal agreement with Kabul on its terms, finally, which despite his occasional bluster, Afghan President Hamid Karzai is simply unable to influence from his pitiably weak position on the Afghan political chessboard.

    But the quicksands of Afghan (and regional politics) are treacherous and Washington would like to wrap up the agreement quickly. Time is running out since the agreement is expected to be signed against the diplomatic backdrop of the two upcoming international conferences on Afghanistan - in Istanbul on November 2 and in Bonn a month later.

    What leverage does the US have on Pakistan to extract a shift in its Afghan policy? Plainly put, the US has been using the "Pakistani Taliban" for sometime already to create havoc within Pakistan and the "proxy war" has finally burst into the open with the factual allegation by the Pakistani military this week that the US-led coalition in eastern Afghanistan is ignoring Islamabad's requests to follow up on specific intelligence regarding the Pakistani Taliban leadership who operate out of the sanctuaries on Afghan territory and indulge in cross-border attacks.

    Quite obviously, the Pakistani military understood the political message behind these attacks. But it still refuses to fall in line with the US's regional strategy. On the other hand, Taliban and the ISI have largely succeeded in thwarting or rolling back the US stratagem to split the insurgent groups.

    The fashion in which the US's famous Taliban interlocutor Tayeb Agha has been "silenced"; the tragi-comic incident of NATO forces and the US talking in great earnestness with a Taliban "imposter" out of sheer innocence regarding his identity as a petty shopkeeper; or the sudden disappearance of Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar from the playpen - all these only underscore the paradox that it actually suits Pakistan if the insurgent groups are scattered and kept under its control in various nooks and corners of the chessboard.

    Asymmetrical response
    Washington has carefully timed the decision to amass its troops on the Afghan-Pakistan border to coincide with the massive two-month long Indian military exercise currently under way on the India-Pakistan border region aimed at testing out the Indian doctrine to capture and hold territory deep inside the "enemy" lines.

    But if Washington's calculation is to apply the maximum psychological pressure on the Pakistani military, it only betrays a lack of comprehension of what is prompting the Pakistani military leadership to resort to such "strategic defiance". (Pakistan, interestingly, is downplaying the Indian military exercise and the few instances of unwarranted rhetoric - and even Delhi's recent security pact with Karzai - and on the contrary, it is ostentatiously spreading petals of goodwill on India's path such as deciding to give India the most-favored-nation status in trade.)

    What the US refuses to face up to is that rightly or wrongly, Pakistan no longer trusts Washington's intentions. The Pakistani military is convinced that the US is working on a strategy to "defang" Pakistan by seizing its nuclear-weapon stockpile. Obviously, there is no leeway for compromising its "strategic assets" in Afghanistan, as far as the Pakistani military is concerned. A long-term US military presence in the region is perceived as constituting a threat to Pakistan's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

    The Pakistani military has also refused to fall into the trap of launching a full-fledged operation in North Waziristan, which, it knows fully well, can only become a quagmire of such proportions that the military juggernaut itself might ultimately disintegrate. The Pakistani civil and military leaderships are today agreed that the only means to pacify the tribal areas is through networking with the tribal chieftains and the various militant groups and that is going to be a long haul. In the meanwhile, Pakistan is not going to be hustled by the US into precipitate actions.

    Some commentators have rushed to interpret Kiani's statement on Tuesday as "nuclear blackmail". But the decision to deploy regular troops on the border suggests that the Pakistani military will resist and make the US pay an intolerably high price in casualties that Obama simply cannot afford as a badly-battered politician gearing up for a crucial election campaign.

    Therefore, any false step in the shadow boxing and high-pitched rhetoric that has been going on between the US and Pakistan ever since the Raymond Davis affair in January (when the ISI and the military leadership came to know the full extent of the US' covert operations inside Pakistan) can easily lead to a full-fledged "asymmetrical war" in the region - with "disastrous consequences" for regional security and stability, as Krishna put it.

    A US attack on Pakistan would only ensure that the Taliban would have access to a seamless reservoir of manpower (and equipment and supplies) to carry on with the insurgency. In political terms, the insurgency will come to assume the nature of a war of "liberation".

    How does that help the US? Given the current state of play on many attendant fronts - opposition to the war in Western public opinion, the American and eurozone economic crisis, countless failings of the Kabul set-up in governance, debilitating weaknesses of the Afghan armed forces, overall lawlessness and corruption swarming Afghanistan - an "asymmetrical" war can only work to Pakistan's advantage.

    On the other hand, a US attack on Pakistan would conclusively shut the door to the avenue leading to a political settlement in Afghanistan. Pakistan's response will be to hunker down and to continue to defy the US diktat. In the process, something of fundamental significance with grave long-term implications may also be happening to Pakistan's political economy.

    Suffice to say, if Nawaz Sharif was found to be an unsavory choice as Pervez Musharraf's potential successor and if Washington did everything possible to keep him from the corridors of power solely because of dubious "Islamist" baggage, the US may now have to learn to live with something far worse in Pakistan.

    Pakistan is no Cambodia and it will not disintegrate into anarchy. By South Asian standards, the Pakistani state is strong enough to survive. But that will be small comfort since the US will have "lost" Pakistan - for a while at least. It is for Washington to judge how that, in turn, would serve the US in the highly-strategic region that forms the tri-junction of Central Asia, South Asia proper and the Persian Gulf. What happens to the New Silk Road project?

    In sum, logically speaking, better sense should prevail in Washington than to launch a military strike against Pakistan. Yet, the unprecedented "joint" visit to Islamabad by Clinton, David Petraeus and Martin Dempsey underscores the brinkmanship that is going on.

    Masks and masquerade
    Indeed, Bruce Riedel, former Central Intelligence Agency officer who advised Obama on the Afghan war, espoused in a provocative article in the New York Times over the weekend that the United States should pursue a 'containment' policy toward Pakistan.

    Riedel got the big picture absolutely right by estimating that the US needed a new policy toward Pakistan since the two countries' "strategic interests are in conflict, not in harmony." He also cannot be faulted for projecting the wish list that the US must "contain the Pakistani Army's ambitions" so that civilian supremacy got asserted in Islamabad and Pakistan's foreign policy took a "new direction."

    Now, how can a "containment" strategy toward Pakistan be made to work? Most interestingly, Riedel recommends that the US needs to craft a "more hostile relationship" which will be "a focused hostility ... holding its [Pakistan's] army and intelligence branches accountable." Now, this can be achieved if there is a US military incursion into Pakistani territory which the Pakistani military fails to prevent.

    Riedel concludes his voyeurism with the categorical affirmation that the US needs military bases in Afghanistan, if it is to pursue the "containment" strategy. All in all, his labored justification for the establishment of US military bases in Afghanistan happens to be masqueraded as the need to pursue a "containment" strategy toward Pakistan.

    This blueprint seems to reflect the establishment thinking. But a "containment" strategy could only succeed if it is backed by a strong regional and international consensus to isolate the country in question. Ideally, it needs to be backed up by creating an alliance of nations that subscribes to a common strategy. In the case of Pakistan, these prerequisites are totally lacking. Pakistan does not face regional isolation.

    On the contrary, it is networking actively with almost all regional players (with the exception of India) on the Afghan problem - Iran, Russia, Tajikistan, China, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, etc. The US would have an uphill task to get the countries in the region to fall in line with a containment strategy toward Pakistan.

    Besides, a containment strategy takes a long time to work, if at all. (It has been in operation against Iran for over three decades with hopeless results.) Does Obama have that much time in hand? Indeed, if the "Occupy Wall Street" movement is any reflection of the public mood in the US, the Afghan war is a low priority in the national agenda.

    In sum, the US's intention seems to be to create the political and security conditions in the "post-Osama bin Laden phase" in Afghanistan that would give raison d'etre to the long-term military presence. The maximum pressure is being brought to bear on the Pakistani military in this direction. Precipitating a crisis in the relationship with Pakistan at this juncture may become a geopolitical necessity for the US if Pakistan doesn't give in. But it is a dangerous game. Krishna's statement will find resonance in other regional capitals.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MJ22Df02.html

    Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 23:10 #
  20. spruce
    Member

    We all know that the relation between US and Pakistan are not well now in other words we can tell that it is very critical. The White House is trying to start fresh and well relationship with Pakistan. US want that to avoid all past things and want to start chart fresh course with Pakistan. The officers of US military are thinking that Pakistani intelligence is responsible for the attack at US Embassy in Kabul.

    Actually US wants to invigilate on Pakistani intelligence ISI and the ISI are very powerful and US also wants to collect more information about attack in US Embassy Kabul and other activities of Pakistan. Washington desperately wants that how can they get information about the Haqqani network. In other side US is telling that they want to good relationship with Pakistan and it will be very nice for US and Pakistan both nations.

    Interesting thing is that the change in policy of US has done very dramatically and it is not looking well towards Pakistan, not perfect and without any reason nation that is trying to fighting with Afghanistan with nuclear weapons and wants to keep root well of Afghanistan.

    Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 23:21 #

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