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Using violence as a tool to achieve goals

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  1. NNL
    member

    they are coming after Pukhtuns no matter which way u look at it. Musalmano uttho aur dekho woh tumhare hi peechay aarahay hain/.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 21:41 #

  2. Anonymous

    To prove my point we all saw Jamat winning seats from Karachi in 2005 from Karachi. Do you think MQM supported them? Do you think MQM wanted Jamat to win? Jamat won because they had a huge public support at that time (because of Afghan war and MMA coalition) in awam and no matter how much MQM is against Jamat they could not do anything to rig elections.
    So it is a gradual process and gradually things will change. we have to be patient and let the process work.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 21:42 #

  3. Anonymous

    NNL barbarism is instilled and inherent in human nature.

    One nation is after another to rob them and kill them.
    What we as a nation have to do is be strong enough to defend against other nations rather than giving up to them because they are all after pakhtoons no matter what. Trust every nation is after another nation and would do anything to harm other nation and benefit itself.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 21:47 #

  4. skyfacts
    Blocked

    bsobaid

    Analyse first that how anti american(upto some extent nawaz sharif was stoped to get more seats than they win).

    Actually this type of rig and tactics always used by the americans,to dictate their agents here.
    And this type of democracy is more easy to go with ,for america.And getting more difficult to go with for the ppl of Pakistan,as their sufferings are at peak.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 21:48 #

  5. Anonymous

    If other nations are after us we have to be extra careful to ensure our rulers do what awam wants.

    How can we ensure that? To have someone rule us who do what he thinks is right and do not care about what public thinks? Lets say even if he is a good man and he does what public thinks then what is the guarantee he will not sell out and turn against awam and in favor of our enemies?
    Can awam throw him out of power? can awam have him change his policies? NO!
    Only way awam can have him do what awam wants is to "elect" people in elections. Now you say elections are not fair, for that see my previous post.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 21:51 #

  6. Anonymous

    sir Skyfacts, american stopped Nawaz Sharif from getting enough seats to form a government, right? but was american able to stop them from forming government in Punjab ?? If Nawaz Sharif was anti-america then American would have stopped him from forming any government whatsoever, right? but american was'nt able to do so in Punjab because Nawaz Sharif has 80& support in Punjab and you CAN NOT rig an election to keep a party with 80% awami support out of power.
    Similarly, (hypotheticaly) US was able to keep Nawaz Sharif from becoming a prime minister because he DID NOT have 80% support in whole pakistani. he probably had 40% support if not less. So as I said in my previous post, a party can be kept out of power through riggin if it has 40% support but you can NOT keep the party out of power if it has 80% support.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 21:56 #

  7. skyfacts
    Blocked

    Yes but can you expect that if MUSH was not able to capture NAWAZ govt.the situation would be totally different if at the time of 9/11 nawaz govt was their.

    So the things again would be rather different if nawaz was given almost with 40% majority and having some allies,the govt.
    I think that he would be little more different than this govt of zard ari.
    So this system laid off when Pakistani needs.and became energetic and fresh when american needs.
    So this system is playing in the US hands,and as a result our national interests are in danger and we are going towards civil war and destruction.....

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 22:03 #

  8. Anonymous

    This system is playing in US hands because awam supported military rulers and dictators. Now public is aware and they understand that democracy needs to function. Why do you think Turkey did not let use US its air space? because they have a functioning assembly.
    We can only have strong democracy and strong assembly if we let democratic process run. Nawaz Sharif was kept out of power (hypothetically) when he had 40% support because democracy is not strong. If democracy was trong in Pakistan he would'nt have been kept out of power.
    So if we want stronger democracy we have to let democracy work and evolve. There is no other option. If yout hink there is an option then let me know.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 22:16 #

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