Victimization of Punjab and Chasma Jehlum Canal by province of Sindh.

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Victimization of Punjab and Chasma Jehlum Canal by province of Sindh.

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M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
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Some days ago Provincial Official of Sindh Government were busy in making propaganda against Chasma Jehlum Canal and Punjab as there is very acute shortage of water in Sindh and were maligning both Chasma Jehlum canal and Punjab but now after just few days following news is sufficient to prove that propaganda just a malignment and victimization game against punjab and Chasma Jehlum Canal.

"KARACHI: Wheat production in Sindh is likely to exceed 3.7 million tons target and finally end up somewhere near four million tons.

The province produced 3.6 million tons of wheat last year.

The estimates have been revised by agriculturists after reports that some more areas in Badin and other districts have come under wheat cultivation for Rabi crop now being harvested.

Sources in the agriculture department confirmed on Monday that the condition of the wheat crop this year is fine and free of any virus attack. The lush green crop reported from major wheat growing areas reflects the high quality of produce with thick and healthy grain."

Province of Sindh has become habitual in making such propaganda to victimize and malign Punjab and other side in each year next there is increase in production of each crop in Sindh.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 5:27 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Niazi Sahib,

If u want to discuss CJ then please bring the agreement signed by CM's of both provinces as well.

If sindh produced more crop despite water theft by Punjab, the credit should be given to sindh not taken away from it . Its very strange logic of yours :)

Yes, if sindh water requirement was adequately met , the wheat crop may be a lot more than that . Its pretty simple.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 7:00 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Credit should be given to sindh

For Following

Sindh producing more crop each year with more consumption of water at the same time making propaganda that Punjab is stealing water.

Sindh producing rice crop in most of its arid and barren areas with no rain fall but still there is shortage of water and making propaganda that Punjab is stealing water.

Sindh increasing irrigated land in Badin and at the same time making propaganda that there is intrusion of sea in Badin as Punjab is stealing water.

Sindh wasting one crore acre feet of water in sea but still there is shortage of water and making propaganda that Punjab is stealing water.

Sindh opposing any project on River Indus like Kalabagh Dam and any other project but still demanding more water.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 7:50 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Sindh making propagand against Environmentally friendly Kalabagh Dam in Punjab but making propaqganda that Environmentally polluting Thar coal is good for every one which will pollute all land,water and air resources of not only of Pakistan but whole of South Asia.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 7:55 #
khalidhumayun
Member

Anybody please let me know where the Chashma-Jehlum is located. Just curious!

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 8:42 #
RajputPuttar
Member

M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI

YEs, there is shortage of water. Had ample water being availabe , sindh would have been able to grow more crop. Simple is that.

The credit stands with Sindh that despite water theft by punjab, its making good use of avaiable water.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 9:10 #
Anonymous

Now we have to start things differently as we are using all the water we have left and also wasting Millions of gallons in the country so we should start focusing on millions of galons we are wasting and it should be started from Sindh as the water from our sewerage lines should be treated so that they could be able to use for agriculture and source of water available for Sindh and Baluchistan is sea water and by purifying sea water we could be able to have so much water that would be enough to fulfill Sindh's requirement and remaining water from Indus river should be use to prevent Silt problem in Thatta....by that we would be able to construct dams and Chashma Jehlum canal without having reservations of Sindh...

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 12:04 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Mr.Rajput Puttar.

Yes, there is shortage of water for Chasma Jehlum Link Canal,For Kalabagh Dam, for Thal Canal,and as a whole For Punjab,
but there is lot of water to waste in Arabian sea at Thatta and Badin,
There is lot of water to grow rice in the Larkana so much that ruins of Moen Jo Daro are suffering from problem of water logging, the problem from which these ruins have not suffered during last 4500 years.

There is lot of Indus water to waste in Manchar Lake, Kurlee Lake so much that now there is need to waste the water of these lakes in sea.

There is lot of water to sink coastal areas of Badin and Thatta under Indus water.

There is lot of water so much that we are pouring sweet water on saline Mangroo plants of sea.

Had ample water being availabe , sindh would have been able to grow more crop.but will not allow other provinces of Pakistan to take one bucket of water and will not allow to grow one straw of grass, Simple is that.

The credit stands with Sindh that despite obtaining ample water and ample crops its always ready to victimize and malign punjab, Kalabagh Dam, Thal Canal,and Chasma Jehlum canal , its making good use of politics of balckmailing and water.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 13:00 #
asif86
Member

m.akram khan niazi

Sindh wants punjab to obey the 1991 water agreement.
when sindh,balochistan and pukhtunkhwa are against kalabagh then what justification does punjab have to execute a project which is against national unity and coheshion.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 13:33 #
skunkk
Member

Doodh ka doodh aur paani ka paani hogaya, Nawaz Sharif ne bhi apni auqaat dikha he di, subai khudmukhtari aur chhotay subon ka haq namanzur! Starting a thread on the topic now

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 19:07 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Akram Khan Niazi,

There are a few agreements and sindh is appropriating /using its water whether letting it go down stream kotri or using to grow rice. To name a few

a) Mumtaz / Ramaey agreement on CJ
b) Water Accord of 1991
c) Irrigation Minister Accord of 1994

So, if u r against giving water to lower riparian (sindh) then why u expect india to follow Indus Basin treaty of 1961 where rights of lower riparian (Pakistan) are protected.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 23:41 #
uthoyay
Member

@M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI,

You are wasting time with this **** Rajput Puttar. When I started a same topic where some jerk in Sindh said that they want to demolish the current dams, only this **** Rajput came to defend that jerk with his childish logics.

http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/forget-about-new-dams-we-want-to-demolish-current-dams#post-122135

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 2:43 #
Wahid Doyum
Member

Yes sire, everyone who disagrees with false Punjab claims is a **** and a jerk. This mentality will be to the benefit of nationalist forces thankfully.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 3:15 #
shriq
Member

"The credit stands with Sindh that despite water theft by punjab, its making good use of avaiable water."

What technology they are using to produce more with less water?

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 3:23 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Shirq Bahiyaa,

Its evident from result of crop which Mr.Niazi quoted. There is no addition in water resources but still sindh achieved a better crop then definately sindh deserves a credit.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 3:28 #
shriq
Member

RajputPuttar,

My question: What technology?

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 4:41 #
adnan045
Member

Such a stupid and hate provoking people and topics must be banned.

Because of such low thinking people this gr8 nation is suffering. We Pashtoon, Sindhi, Balochi and Punjabi are brothers who had formed this country together. Everyone who provoke hate is the ENEMY OF THIS NATION and should be dealt with an extreme force and punishment.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 5:19 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Mr.Rajput
There is no addition in water resources and no rain and also theft of water by other provinces but still sindh achieved a better crop and still land from larkana Moenjo Daro to Thatta suffering from water logging ,there is no water but still wastage of ONE CRORE ACRE FEET WATER IN SEA,There is no water but Sindh is still trying to discard and drain water of its lakes through Indus in sea then definately sindh deserves a credit.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 5:29 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Mr. Asif

Sindh wants punjab to obey its desire for wastage of water as it is mentioned in 1991 water agreement, Punjab Should stop people living along river Indus from Kalabagh to Sadiqabad not to use water for irrigation because Provincialism is more important than Humanity.

As sindh,balochistan and pukhtunkhwa are against kalabagh

because as per Sindh LOGIC Thar Coal is better than Kalabagh as Kalabagh will emmit BLACK SMOKE and Thar Coal will emmit fresh air full of Oxygen.

And as per Balouchistan Vision GAS and coal extracted from Balouchistan are one of the most clean source of energy and Kalabagh will pollute air and land resouces and people will drown in Kalabagh and no one is dying in the coal caves of Balochistan.

And as per Frontier wisdom Royalty of Tarballa is so important that Pakistan can be broken for that but Kalabgh dam is not good looking as it is in Punjab.

All provinces want Provincial autonomy but Punjab should open or close its canals , IIRIGATE ITS LAND AND construct Dams as per desire of other provinces and after asking from
other provinces Because it is necessary for unity and prosperity of Pakistan as when there will be no agriculture,no electricity and no water then Pakistan will be more united and more prosperous.

then what justification does punjab have to execute a project which is against national unity and coheshion.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 5:51 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Mr.Naizi,

One crore Acre Feet is agreed upon water by upper and lower riparians which needs to be discharged into sea in order to avoid seawater intrusion. If u have any scientific study , i would advise u to give a referecen that its not needed.

Secondly , u need to look at the agreements signed by provinces for sharing water. all the provinces are supposed to share water according to that which is being violated by punjab by accessing sindh water through CJ link canal.

U have yourself conceeded that CJ is a flood canal , if its a flood canal then why its upon right now when all dams and rivers are at dead level ?

Bahiiyaa, baat oosol kii karain , pasand yaa naa pasand kii nahi .

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 5:54 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Those responsible for wastage of sweet water in sea are criminal of humanity as contaminating,polluting and poisoning huge amount of River water with sea water is illegal as per country law and as per moral ethics.

Economically value of One crore Acre Feet water is greater than the total value of crops produced in Sindh and Punjab.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 12:22 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

In Pakistan instead of using River Indus water for irrigation,Electricity generation and for Industrial we Pakistanies are foolishly wasting the water in sea.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 12:24 #
RajputPuttar
Member

bahi ,

Then first proscecute the irrigation / water experts of punjab who have agreed on this principle that 10 mAF water should go downstream kotri.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 12:24 #
Beenai
Moderator

we better stop accusing provinces and start refining our debates as well as thoughts ,towards talking about Problems in a bigger perspective .
it can be seen as a water issue .not a province to province issue ...

Hate is blind and makes the beholder too .
one who is Nabeena
can not see the solutions or the light at the end of the tunnel.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 12:33 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Israel and Saudi Arabia are using water of Dead Sea by desalination for their use so much that dead sea is drying and drying day by day but we pakistanies are wasting our sweet water into sea and making that saline what a unique type of crime and foolish act.
Only by taking out water from sea can stop sea intrusion and by discarding more and more sweet water into sea will aggravate the problem of so called sea intrusion.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 12:33 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Niazi

Saudi Arabia has no access to Dead SEa. Please sea the world map.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 12:42 #
zalaan
Blocked

Mr M. Akran Khan Niazi

For your information Saudi Arabia is not using Dead Sea water ,Saudi Arabia is on Red Sea (west )and Arabian Sea (east )

Using of Seq water is using using .000001 percent of it ,Dead Sea cannot be dried by sea water treatment plant

This conspiracy Theory doesn't work

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 12:45 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Punjab gopvernment and its water experts are also responsible for wastage of water in Sindh,

As they never questioned or monitored that why Sweet water of Indus is being discarded in sea, which infact will be injurious and harmful for saline fishes and plants of sea.

In Karachi it is very common observation that sea fishes do not survive in sweet water even for Minutes.

Punjab Government never questioned from Sindh Government that why they are wasting sweet water for saline plants of Mangroos which very finely grow in saline water as on coastal areas of Karachi there is no sweet water but highly dense forest of Mangroos are present there even in front of Karachi Port Trust.

Punjab never questioned from Sindh why large agricultuure area of Sindh about 38 % is suffering from water logging.

Punjab never questioned from Sindh why Sindh is demanding sweet water for coastal areas while there are so many varities of both wheat and other plant which even can grow in saline land.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 12:47 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

If we want to stop Sea Intrusion we shall have to make arrangement for more and more extraction of water from sea and desalination of sea water and use of sweet water in saline land should be completely restricted, its very strange that Karachi city government is trying to install plants of desalination for obtaining sweet water from sea for city while Sindh Government is wasting sweet water of Indus about one crore Acre feet water in the sea what a foolish act and what a crime against humanity.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 12:58 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Mr.zalaan

All of Saudi Arabia water is coming from sea water desalination as there is no river in Saudi Arabia and also with very low rate of rain, no matter from dead sea or red sea.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 13:03 #
zalaan
Blocked

No all the drinking water in Saudi Arabia is coming from desalination plants ,Yes there is portion of water coming from the sea ,There are well in Qaseem Area and There is rain in South part like Abha ,Baha ,Taif etc .

Desalination plants are very expensive need foreign support .

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 13:09 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

It is the responsibility of Federal Government to direct Sindh not to commit crime by polluting river Indus water with saline sea water.

It is the responsibility of Federal Government to direct Sindh not to WASTE WATER IN PROVINcE WHICH IS causing water logging in sindh and causing damage to land.

It is the responsibility of Federal Government to direct Punjab and Sindh goverment for construction of Dams like Kalabagh to preserve water and generation of electricity.

It is the responsibility of Federal Government to make laws against polluting of River water as Sindh is polluting River water.

It is the responsibility of Federal Government to make laws against wasting of River water as Sindh is polluting River water.

It is the responsibility of Federal Government to make laws against polluting of water,land and air as Sindh is planning to do by polluting these by smoke of Thar coal.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 13:15 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Niazi

First conceed that u lied by saying that KSA is getting water from dead sea.

This reflects your level of understanding . Just to make your oponion heavier u r resorting to plain lies.

Ridiculous.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 15:26 #
asif86
Member

m.akram khan niazi

countries like india and china produce 50-70% of their electricity through coal.
Whats wrong if pakistan can produce say 10-20% of its electricity through coal.It will save billions of rupees in oil import bill and help stabilize rupee.

Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 16:51 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Mr. Rajput

There are at least 18 desalination plants along the Red Sea coast of Saudi Arabia
There is extensive demand of desalinated water to meet the requirement of the population and the industries along the Red Sea.
Saudi Arabia is now the world's largest producer of desalinated water with desalination meeting 70% of the country's present drinking water requirement and supplying major urban and industrial centres through a network of water pipes which run for more than 2,300 miles. Several new desalination plants are planned, or under construction, which will ultimately bring the final total to almost 30 such facilities.
Desalination is being increasingly viewed as an untapped and unlimited water source.

On other side we Pakistanies instead of preserving and storing water in dams like Kalabgh Dam are wasting our river water on land and in sea.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 4:46 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Bahiyaa,

Did i say that there is no desalination plant along red sea ?

But u said that KSA & Isreal is getting water from dead sea which is altogether a lie.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 6:18 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Mr. Rajputtar
On one side you accepts that there are desalination plants along red sea (which is an extension of Arabian sea) for use of water and On other side for River Indus in Pakistan you are adovecating wastage and pollution of sweet water in Arabian sea,Difference is clear, We are wasting our sweet water in saline water of sea others are obtaining sweet water from sea.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 6:28 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Its not wastage its a requirement.

Why don't u quote a technical study where its said that its water wastage. All the technical experts are wrong and u r right ?

Just google and see that how many countries are suffering from this problem.

I would ask u to get figures for last ten years and see how much water has been in fact discharged during that period.

I m a punjabi from married in hyderabad since 2005 and during these 5 years i haven't seen any water in sindhu.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 6:39 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

As per scientific approach

"Saving a drop of water makes a difference of ocean."

"Prevention of wastages is the only basis of all development and progress."

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 6:44 #
RajputPuttar
Member

Mr.Niazi

Give reference to technical study which says that seawater intrusion in a non-issue and there should be no downstream kotri discharge.

Just make fuss of nothing and copy paste won't make your point of view reliable.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 10:39 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

As per scientific approach

"Saving a drop of water makes a difference of ocean."

"Prevention of wastages is the only basis of all development and progress."

Preservation and storage of water in Kalabagh Dam will increase agriculture land,generation of electricity ,and will prevent wastage of sweet water and fertile sand in the sea .

Advanced nations of the world are recycling and treating drain water for reuse while politician and Government of Sindh is wasting and polluting sweet water into the sea.
USA and India have large number of rivers and fresh water reservoirs but instead of wasting their water in sea they are using saline water of sea for agriculture and other purposes but we Pakistanies have just one river and even then we are wasting that one by the foolish politicians and Government of Sindh.

On one side there is shortage of water in Pakistan on other side in Sindh there is wastage of water,cultivation of crops such as rice,sugar can and banana which are highly dependent on water and at the same time demanding wastage of water in sea and objecting even on preservation of water in Kalabagh, on use of water for agriculture in Punjab, if there is shortage of water then why sindh is cultivating rice,bannana and sugar can which are highly water dependent, if Punjab is not giving water then from where the water of Kulree ,Mancahr lakes have arrived, if Punjab is not giving water then how from Larkana to Thatta area is suffering from problem of water logging.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Mar 2010 6:40 #
barackosama
Member

If urban Sind could only quit washing their cars everyday and refrain also from daily evening چھڑکاؤ on the street around their houses to subdue the dust, there might just be enough water.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Mar 2010 15:50 #
RajputPuttar
Member

barackosam

Bahi where is water in khi ? I have lived in khi for years and there was always water sortage . So , who is doing charkoo?

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Mar 2010 23:58 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

The main forest of Mangroves of Sindh coastal areas are located in Karachi but Sindh is not providing even drinking water to citizens of Karachi.

If there is problem of salinity and sea intrusion on coastal areas of Sindh, there is need to eastablish salt Industry in that area instead of agriculture while by wastage of river water in sea we are wasting sweet water and also wasting salt of the land which is an important mineral and pouring river water in sea there will be just further rise in sea water and more intrusion of sea water in all coastal areas.

Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 7:28 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Those who adovcate wastage of River Indus in sea and oppose PRESERVATION AND STORAGE OF water at Kalabagh are infact the enemies of Pakistan.

Logic that river water will stop the intrusion of sea is the most foolish Idea, on one side there is ONE MIGHTY SEA AND on other side there is a just one river coming from arid zone,The river will infact rise the level of sea ultimately leading to sea to spread on land and will further cause water logging and
salinity of land.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Apr 2010 14:54 #
semirza
Moderator

Logic that river water will stop the intrusion of sea is the most foolish idea.

A wise comment, now kindly further explain to us through your wisdom when you say that:

The river will infact rise the level of sea ultimately leading to sea to spread on land and will further cause water logging and salinity of land.

Specially this part: The river will infact rise the level of sea.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Apr 2010 16:40 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Melting of glaciers and melting of snow of North and south poles and global warming is already causing rise in sea level, if we will pour more water and waste sweet water instead of preserving and storing in Dams like Kalabagh and others the rise of water level in coastal areas and sea level is certain and will cause salinity,water logging and rise in level of brackish water in the land as sweet water bring the ground salt on upper surface by dissolving SALT that and will aggravate problem of salinity.

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Apr 2010 7:09 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

Politicians and Government of Sindh is responsible for shortage of water and electricity In Pakistan by opposing and politicinzing dams like Kalabagh AND OTHERS.

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Apr 2010 7:11 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

The simple logic is that those who do not want dams like Kalabagh to be built, they are enemies of the country or at least don’t want Pakistan to have vibrant economy and social peace. The forces and lobbies that opposed Pakistan and those that are stuck up in their narrow grooves of provincialism would not like Pakistan to become an economically viable country. The weak economy foments societal discontent and poltical instability. That is the spectacle that patriotic Pakistanis have been witnessing since the inception of Pakistan.

Disease of Provincialism in Politicians of NWFP and Sindh is mainly responsible for power shortage mayhem and the resultant chaos in the society due to tormenting blackouts and long power outrages.

Posted 2 years ago on 07 Apr 2010 15:56 #