I am looking forward to warm relations between India and Pakistan. Not only it will allow Pakistan and India to lay off huge armies, but to progress and live happily forever. There is no denial of the fact that Indians and Pakistanis are kith and kins. Pakistanis can't live without Indians nore India can change it's neighbour. It will be for the good of commoners in Subcontinent to have peace and prosperity in the region. Long live future India and Pakistan friendship.
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Potohari
BlockedPosted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 17:45 # -
Who told you Pakistan cant live without Indians?? you gotta be kidding me. Yes, Pakistanis might watch Indian crap that they call movies and star-plus but this is definitely not a matter of life and death.. I also advocate good relations between India and Pakistan but we should not consider them as our greatest friends and go head over heels. The fact remains that Indians do hate us and are our enemy and they are always always looking for ways to harm us not just at government level but also common Indians do that.
So I do advocate good relations with India so we dont have to spend money on armed resources due to these worthless scum on the earth.
Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 18:19 # -
demitri_indian
Blockedi visited this forum and am amazed by the positive gesture from people across the border
i would wish pakistan ,india live peacefully and work for development of society
we should be unified as SAARC and have a common currency,banks and economy ,as European Union..
Just imagine indian companies and pakistani companies investing in each other country and we would have a lot of interest at stake ,to even think about harming about each other
Dependency is the need of india and pakistanPosted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 18:26 # -
IJay
memberindian
this desire of unification will not take pakistan and india anywhere
Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 18:29 # -
IJay, bro under this casual desire of unification lies the latent facshist desire of unification the so called ,Akhand Bharat,.
Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 18:35 # -
demitri_indian
Blocked@ijay
There is a difference between unification and economic integration
European union has more than 20+ countries independent ,sovereign but they are unified by their needs..
Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 18:37 # -
IJay
memberyea deceptive hindu mind even if they smile at you don't think they are happy for you but laughing on your sufferings
Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 18:38 # -
demitri_indian
BlockedIjay
indians are as humane as anyone and live normal life just as pakistanis.
99 % of them are busy with their own life problems,sufferings
Most of us has a very little information about pakistan ..
We don't follow pakistani media .so if you are thinking destructively ,then none can help you..
Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 18:46 # -
demetri...
Ijay is from India and is a bit upset with sonia Ghandhi.. Ignore him!Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 18:50 # -
demitri_indian
BlockedWas he denied a ticket:)
what else sonia can offer ijay...?
Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 18:53 # -
priyanka Chopra! LOL
Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 19:39 # -
skyfacts
BlockedIJay
but katrina is no more with salman khan.dont worry may be the next .......THE BEAUTIFULL.
Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 19:48 # -
@skyfacts... Ijay babu is not a "Khan" ;-)
Inn kay leeye tou "takhi Sawan" hee chalay ghee! ;)Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 19:52 # -
I advocate good relations not necessarily warm relations. We should have better relations with India for our own benefit not because someone is dying in love for India.
Dont even talk about unification (aka Akhan Bharat). This is one big bull c**p. This unification crap is not even worth discussing.
Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 20:05 # -
No One has talked abt "Unification" Chill!
Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 20:09 # -
@demitri and bsobaid:
Agreed with your points.
Bi-lateral co-dependency between India and Pak would be the ideal goal. Getting away from 'realism' school of thought and heading towards economic ties would cement good relations between the two. It is a must for the progress of the S.E.Asian region and their domestic betterment.
Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 20:10 # -
misalligned
MemberYou could have warm relation with some one who accepts you. India still have problem in accepting us as a soverign state.
Posted 2 years ago on 27 May 2009 22:09 # -
demitri_indian
BlockedIf we talk logically,pakistan was not supposed to be a independent state:)
But we cant undo the division..as an Indian i feel sorry ,that some people forced division and historians treat it as the biggest blunder of last millennium:)
Anyway unification is a myth and it can never happen...
Posted 2 years ago on 28 May 2009 14:07 # -
1. The creation of Pakistan could be an Ideological and political mistake or the outcome of an International Conspiracy to create a buffer State in order to block the flow of Russian Communism and Chinese Socialism to India.
2. The dismemberment of Pakistan could be a blunder, now.
3. A policy of friendly relations with India, china, Iran and other emerging neighboring countries could help to make Pakistan, Economically,Politically and Socially, a better living place for the future generations.
4. The emotional and farting slogans like 'Crush India', 'Crush Jews', 'Crush America' are pushing Pakistan closer to be crushed by herself.Posted 2 years ago on 28 May 2009 15:05 # -
Some super idiot historian might think Pakistan was'nt supposed to be independent state. What I do know for sure is India is not supposed to be one state. Keralans, TriPurans, Tamils, Kashmiris and Punjabis ( and others) should get their own states. India has used brutal ways to illegally occupy these states. All these great nations that currently have to live inside India should be liberated from Barhaman rule.
Posted 2 years ago on 28 May 2009 15:16 # -
1.Indian Constitution keeps the provisions of Provincial Autonomy.
2. The states/nationalities you have mentioned enjoy a better position within the framework of a Federation, what they could loose after getting Unitary status.
3. The above-mentioned states would not be able to survive economically, politically and militarily.
4. Unity breeds strength, where separation brings weakness.Posted 2 years ago on 28 May 2009 15:31 # -
Who are you to decide states/nationalities are enjoying a better position in Indian Federation. They are not, which is why they have a long standing freedom struggle going on.
Who are you to decide they cant survive economically??
If unity, according to you, breeds strength then your country India should unite with China to create new super power. India can also do this with Pakistan with Islamabad being the capital of the nation and PPP become the ruling party.
What a bunch of crap!!
Whoever gives a bad name to the creation of Pakistan can live or die with their wishful thinking of unification. This aint happening!!
Posted 2 years ago on 28 May 2009 15:37 # -
demitri_indian
BlockedIndia and china don't share any cultural and heritage with each other
although buddhism is the major religion of china which originated from india
Moreover,you all should accept that states like bihar,up,kashmir and north east states cant survive on their own
They enjoy economic benefits of being in part of india
Inspite of kashmiris protesting,just see the economic benefits they enjoy
They have a world class international airport,highest rail in world,they dont have to pay income tax..industries investing in those region reap max benefits from central govt
They enjoy higher per capita income than india
Just because of some opportunists "hurriyat"who are living a lavish life,provoke innocents people sentiments,it doesn't imply that people are poor and suffer if they dont take part in any anti national activity
Indian kashmir per capita income is 2times higher than pakistan kashmir
There are fewer freedom struggle movements in india
Assam and Nagaland are figthing for each other land but with in jurisdiction of india
other north east states are peaceful
Nagaland terrorists groups have ceasefire and there has been no bad incidents since last2yrsAssam :ULFA is mainly sponsored by china and they operate from bangaldesh
South is very peaceful
To me,
i feel naxal and kashmir as only serious problemnaxal operates from deep forest and have no supporters
They will get minimized as the country develops
,spy satellites will help to trace them if time demands to uproot them completely..Moreover india is pretty stable now,congress in majority,
Security situation pretty improved aided by strong surveillance..ok coming back to pakistan,
further division of pakistan would worsen the situation in subcontinent ,just like india-pakistan division
Posted 2 years ago on 28 May 2009 16:00 # -
Who are You..........Who are you......Who are you.......
Read the sentence before making an outburst of commentary.
It is just a forecast. It is an estimate. it is an analysis.
Not a final decision or verdict.
The circumstantial evidences from History guide to make assessments.
The example of India to join China is absolutely illogical.
A union is normal within a natural geographical boundary.
They could come closer under some International Economic or Defense Pact like SEATO, CENTO. RCD, without sacrificing the sovereignty.Posted 2 years ago on 28 May 2009 16:25 # -
SO ecnomic benefits... Think about all the economic benefits we all were enjoying when British were here. Lets ask our great queen to order her Prime Minister to come and occupy us. We will be their most obediant servant.
India definitely has a common boundary with China. Whats wrong with that?
and nooo. India and Pakistan do not share similar culture. We are two distinct nations. We dont even have same histories. Historically, Sind has been a separate and a richer civilization than Hind. You cant generalise history based on past couple of hundred years. Even in those times when this whole piece of land was one country, the culture and history of people of Pakistan was always differet from India.And all these freedom movements in India that you consider illegal are not. Yes, from chauvinistic Burhaman mentality they might be but from all other point of views they are not.
Also, Indian towns bordering with China are far less developed than towns on the Chinese side. People living on the the Indian side of the border look similar to people on the Chinese side. So if we do the assesment according to your framework, we have all the good reason to call for Sino-Indian assimilation, or atleast part of it.
The whole issues really is about the Indian occupation of different nationalities that are forced to live in India and the expansionistic desires of Barhaman ruling class.
You try to hide your foul desires of occupying our country with the false notions of European union and economic integration but we all know what truly lies behind these cute words.
Having said that, I am all for economic cooperation between the two countries and nations of India and Pakistan and I want these two nations and countries to live side by side as good neighbours.
Posted 2 years ago on 28 May 2009 16:49 # -
1.Pakistan and India has more common grounds such as language, food, living, art and culture, literature, music and genetic origin, to get close where China and India has just a joint border and nothing common.
2. The act of getting close depends upon the desire to accept a productive reality.
3. In India and Pakistan there are millions of people wishing to live like friendly neighbors like Canada and the USA.Posted 2 years ago on 28 May 2009 21:15 # -
Sahnaz
MemberJavedsheikh
" neighbors like Canada and the USA. "
im surprised how cud u compare India n PAk with US n Canada. US n Canada give full rights to their people and not religion based countries.
on other hand in Pak we r still fighting on if Shariya shud be implemnted or not? Still curisng all other countries for our own flaws..we r very busy to stand a army of suicide bombing not to kill infiedel but our people.
when we will get free all of these strategies than we will think if we need education,technology,or basic rights fr human beings.
who do care if we r failing on international level. atleast we hv made more enemy thn frnds.
But its not again our fault but west's.
thnxPosted 2 years ago on 29 May 2009 6:35 # -
@Shiekh sahib,
here i would like to register my difference of opinion with u .
if the language,food,art ,living and culture wud be same .then our fore fathers wud have chosen to live with them...
that was not the case unfortunately.
language is hindi versus urdu
and culture
we eat COW ...they worship COW and have its pee as a holy energetic drink.Posted 2 years ago on 29 May 2009 6:59 # -
These are minor differences, which could be ignored and adjusted for a greater and enlarged objectives of prosperity and peace.
This needs a fare training of tolerance.
It is ground reality that the Two Nation Theory didn't work.Millions of Muslims are living in the Europe, America, Canada, Australia and don't eat pork.
Here in the USA, Pakistanis and Indians feel more comfortable to get together and exchange views as compared to native Americans.
Posted 2 years ago on 29 May 2009 11:30 # -
@Shiekh sahib,
i dont think that it was a minor difference that made our forefathers to take through that big of a revolution .
it was a major ,major difference in culture ,religion,social norms,food,calendar ,likes and dislikes ,dos and donts,cans and cants ....that made them think about the need for a separate state.no2. yes maybe in USA or UK hindus and muslims were b living peacefully ...
but what about india itself?
do u know how much difficult it is for a muslim to get a living there ?
and what do u think about Ahmed abad?what do u think about Shive Sena ? the hindu Taliban ?
who are desperate to kill every single Muslim indain.
who hates with us so much that they cant stand the reality that their biggest tourism, is nothing but a courtesy of a MUSLIM RULER ...they are trying their hard to prove it a Shiva Mandar ......................my hats of to their hatred .
if some one wanna take classes ..
he can go india and know in days
HOW TO HATE ?
hindus are the most KEENA PARWER nation on this earth.
fact of the day .Posted 2 years ago on 29 May 2009 12:49 # -
shamwariz
MemberIt is a fact and on the record stated by Nawaz Sharif himself on many occasions…
After the Atomic Explosion Indian PrimMinister Bachpai visited Pakistan by Friendship Bus and at Minar-e-Pakistan greeted Pakistani nation .. As per Nawaz Sharif.. These were our Generals who stabbed India in the back by initiating Kargil
Under the influence of Mighty Nuclear Power if we think that we have the License to destabilize other Nations thinking No one will be able to attack us has led our nation to Disaster.
We have been engulfed by the same Jihadi Flames which were lightened to torch our neighbors.
Is Ghar ko Aag Lag gai Ghar ke Chragh se..
Posted 2 years ago on 29 May 2009 13:07 # -
Then Pakistan could be further sub-divided into several states as there are different sects of Pakistanis who cannot go along.
Here some like to kill human beings and some dislike.A section can making wealth easily where it is hard for others even to pay their bills.
There ae 4 kinds of HAVES and 4 kinds of HAVE NOTS in Pakistan.
There are so many cities in Pakistan like Ahmad Abad.Posted 2 years ago on 29 May 2009 13:22 # -
demitri_indian
BlockedIndia is a perfect secular country
and its evident from the seats congress has achieved in this election :203 /545
and its alliance 100/545bjp+alliance:160
beenai is just trying to twist the facts
There is hindu-muslim problem in india at root level
Politicians driven agendas from advani/modi or varun gandhi has failed miserably
From the talks of beenai,it seems that hindus only want to kill muslims in india
India is ruled by a sikh pm,whose party is headed by a Christian lady and whose Vice president is a devoted muslim ,and Airforce Chief is a parsee
apart from 1-2 communal cases ,india is perfectly free from any communal tenstion
Posted 2 years ago on 29 May 2009 13:51 # -
demitri_indian
Blocked*there is no hindu muslim problem in india at root level
Posted 2 years ago on 29 May 2009 13:51 # -
I dont know why are we even discussing this.We all know about Hindutawa agenda. We all know about the validity 2 nations theory and we know history. We also know what is done to minorities in India and we also know about all the nations living under the Indian occupation wanting to get freedom.
So there is no point in further discussing this all. I would not follow up on this topic anymore.
Posted 2 years ago on 29 May 2009 14:38 # -
Potohari
BlockedTwo nations theory was based on secetarianism, that's why Pakistan find itself in the mire of hatered. I don't think the division of India was solely a religious issue, it was more economy than religion. If religion was the basis then why Indian migrants name themselves as Muhajir and so on. If we start dividing nation on the basis of religion then every person should be president of a soverign country.
Posted 2 years ago on 29 May 2009 19:20 # -
Migel9
MemberI like to have warm relations with Indians,right after we have delivered GHAURIS AND ABDALIS...Neverrr F India.
Posted 2 years ago on 29 May 2009 20:27 # -
demitri_indian
BlockedPakistan is an integral part of india practically
Full Entire subcontinent belongs to india
its a matter of time,pakistan will come running to merge with india:)
Posted 2 years ago on 30 May 2009 8:09 # -
Migel9
MemberPakistanis need to face India, and start urinating towards
This rat eating **** worshiping red.com shivalingham subhman
ugly neighbors so they can stop the water shortage.Full entire Pakistani urine belongs to india.
Its matter of time Pakistain will use Ghauris on this cow and **** worshipers just like that great pathan Mehmood of ghazni..U wanker Ganga din.
Posted 2 years ago on 30 May 2009 13:56 # -
chechen
MemberPoto the traitor has opened this thread deliberatly closing his eyes and ears to the massacres and brutal rape of Kashmiris. He won't care and will call those poor women- terrorists. The brave Pakistani is meanwhile killing its won people rather than helping our brethren. Treacherously pathetic!
Protests in Kashmir as 2 Women Are raped and murdered by Indian soldiers
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: May 30, 2009
Filed at 5:05 a.m. ETSRINAGAR, India (AP) -- Massive protests and clashes erupted in Indian Kashmir on Saturday after the bodies of two young women were found amid claims that they were raped and murdered by Indian soldiers, officials and locals said.
Indian authorities denied the allegations, saying the women appeared to have drowned in a local stream.
Anti-India sentiment runs deep in Kashmir, and anger over the two deaths brought thousands to the town of Shopian, where protesters hurled rocks at security forces and ransacked government offices. The crowd chanted, ''Produce the killers'' and ''We want freedom,'' while they marched in the town center, 40 miles (60 kilometers) south of Srinagar, the region's biggest city.
Police fired tear gas and used batons to break up the protests, said a local police officer on condition of anonymity in keeping with department policy. He said at least 25 people were injured in the clashes.
Human rights groups and separatist leaders have long accused the Indian military of using rape and sexual molestation to intimidate the local population.
Police official Javaid Masood said authorities recovered the bodies of an 18-year-old woman and her 23-year-old aunt from a local stream Saturday morning. The women were reported missing after they failed to return home from their orchard on Friday, Masood said.
''Post-mortems have been conducted and preliminary investigation suggests that there are no signs of physical assault on the bodies,'' Masood said. He added that an investigation into the deaths was ongoing.
Many locals rejected the official explanation.
''There are no chances of accidental drowning as the stream is very shallow and even school kids cross it,'' said Mushtaq Ahmed, a local resident.
Most people in Indian Kashmir favor independence from Hindu-majority India, or a merger with Muslim Pakistan. The disputed Himalayan territory is split between India and Pakistan, but claimed in full by both.
Separatists have been fighting Indian authorities since 1989 in a conflict that has killed more than 68,000 people, most of them civilians.
Posted 2 years ago on 30 May 2009 14:15 # -
chechen
Memberdemitri Indian slave talks about secularism that was inherited from the erswhile colonialists. I always wanted to go to India but not through flights but through the Khyber pass where our forefathers went to that land of the oppressed and delivered humanity from clutches of inhuman caste system and slavery. Insha'Allah this time we will not build Taj Mahals but build the hope for the poor and destitute. After facing and defeating the might of the red army, NATO, US and mercenary Pakistan (Indian) army, the mercenary Indian (pakistani army) we will liberate the poor and the destitute from the Brahmin Aryan clique. Both armies are remnant of colonial British Raj and served like slaves in WW I and II.
Posted 2 years ago on 30 May 2009 14:23 # -
demitri_indian
Blockedchechen i was speaking sarcastically
we dont intend to occupy pakistan.
keep taliban with yourself
we are happy without you........
don't aim for tajmahal:)
keep SWAT intact :)Posted 2 years ago on 30 May 2009 16:58 # -
Heather_Ali
MemberDemitri,
What cast are You?
Are you shoodar? Or Brhamun?
Do you believe in Satti?
If you are an upper cast, will u marry someone from lower cast?
If a Muslim eats in your plate, will you eat in the same plate?
Will you vote for a northern indian if you are from south and viceversa?Posted 2 years ago on 30 May 2009 17:01 # -
demitri_indian
Blockedyou are so correct ..how did you get my biodata?
didn't you follow indian election 2009
Congress party got seats in all states
i don't mind eating in anyone's plate as long as he is clean and he is eating the food i want to eat :) ..
Posted 2 years ago on 30 May 2009 17:05 # -
Heather_Ali
MemberYou dodge my Questions!
TuT Tut Tut
Very bad Indian!Posted 2 years ago on 30 May 2009 17:08 # -
I have heard about the Jat regiment, the sikh regiment, the gorkha, the east bengal tigers, the Punjab regiment, the Baluch regiment since british india. I have yet to hear from the valiant others of the centre and south.
Heather Ali, such scum is found in jhoperpatti, cha'al and footpath culture of which their shining and incredible india is famous. In fact they are so shining that beyond the muslim rule of india there is nothing but myths and folklore as history. This shining and incredible creed simply forget to record their own history, if there was any and wants to believe the whole world in their so called vedas and purans yet to be scientifically proven their original physical presence on par with biblical scribtures. They cant even prove what medium they were written on and in what language.
he speaks from a given agenda of hindutva, the rss and the saffron brigade.
Posted 2 years ago on 30 May 2009 17:28 # -
Potohari
Blockedchechen the crackhead terrorist, say I am traiter. Let me tell you one thing I don't consider you a Pakistani. You are probably the offspring of some overseas Kashmiri migrant family. ordinary Pakistanis had enough of Kashmir mantra we need economic benefits of a state which we are denied because of Kashmiri traiters.
Posted 2 years ago on 30 May 2009 18:01 # -
Heather_Ali
MemberExcused me Potohari
You are the biggest traitor due to your hatred spread on this forum. I have been reading all your postings (being away for some time)and have come to conclusion that you are one of these confused people who are a disgust to this nation. You are full of filth and your views are against the teaching of ISLAM. May ALLAH Guide you!Posted 2 years ago on 30 May 2009 18:05 # -
Heather_Ali
MemberKashmiris are good people and their cause is the liberation of Kashmir,, A noble cause for which you should support them and not defame them.
Posted 2 years ago on 30 May 2009 18:06 # -
demitri_indian
Blockedkashmiri are most selfish people on earth
They get free funds
they dont have to pay any tax
they have one of the biggest international airport in srinagar and worlds highest railwaythey get more funds than bihar and orissa
they get more incentive ,so that people of valley get the jobs ,once indian MNC' Set up industries in valley
they get free jobs,free money
but they are corrupt
they are traitors
and most importantly kashmiris which were shiyas before ,but wahabi culture has produced some world class radical extremist in valley
thanx to taliban and pakistan aim to use terror as its state policyPosted 2 years ago on 30 May 2009 18:17 #
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