Adonis
Member
PM Yusuf Raza Gillani while speaking in the national assembly has said that PML(N) on its own does not have enough votes in the assembly to get resolution for Musharraf's trial approved.
Gillani reiterated that his party co-Chairperson and he himself have alredy forgiven Musharraf. They will now agree to his trial only if all the political parties present in assembly unanimously recommend that.
msohail83
Member
Why not just be honest and say there won't be any trail?
He said this before, government will act against Musharraf if parliaments asks for it, which makes a lot of sense. N-League should table a resolution, as Chodhry Nisar and NAwaz Sharif promised in the past, asking government to act against Musharraf but for some reason they are not presenting the resolution and asking government to take executive and non-democratic actions to move against musharraf.
Why cant N-League just table a resolution?? they are running this smear campaign against Zaradri and government for not taking action against Musharraf but why cant N-League simply table a resolution??
N-League ko munafiqat chor daynee chahiyay. agar kisi kaam karnay kee himmat nahi hai tou oss kaa waada bhi nahi karnaa chahiyay.
and the best part, whole media is insulting Zardari for not acting against Musharraf and no one, and I say no one is questioning N-League for not presenting a resolution in the parliament. Punjabi media should realize its duties now. Enough of this Bhaatee gate cheap mentality.
PPP never said they will hang Musharraf.
amin1924
member
No one wants to bell the cat.
msohail83
Member
You've moved from siri paye to bhatee gate mentality. Where do you get this stuff from buddy?
back to topic: PPP is running the show so they have more responsibility than anybody else and will have to face tough questions. It's quite natural. They are there to loot public money and bankrupt all the companies wapda, pia, steel mill, etc.
CJ gave them a chance to solve the NRO but they have done absolutely nothing about it and will wait till it dies its natrual death and then accusse CJ of having vendetta. Cowards!
PPP will shift the burden to PMLN and PMLN will shift the load to PPP. This is all what they have to do with pakistan and this is what their followers are doing. You tell them whats wrong in PPP they will put all the blame on PMLN, you tell them whats wrong in PMLN they will say we are not Govt. its only PPP.
Infact both are filthy and same, they will never try musharraf because they are not ordered to do so.
They never ever claimed they will hang Musharraf. Never!!
It was Nawaz Shareef and he should act now. Yes PPP is in power and will be asked tough question but someone should go and ask NAwaz Shareef and his party why they are not raising the issue through legal means by tabling a resolution in the national assembly and if they cant then shut the mouth up and stop this malicious campaign.
Sometimes I get baffled by their cheap and extremely ghatya mindset.
Adonis
Member
Gillani knows that Q league and MQM will never agree to Musharraf's trial because they themselves may also be implicated for supporting him. That is why he is hiding behind the charade of consensus.
The truth is that it is the responsibility of Government to implement the law and it does not need any resolution to make it do that. When the government books a murderer for his crime, does it ask the National Assembly for resolution first?
Initially Gillani talked about Assembly resolution for Musharraf's trial because according to him it would increase the moral weight of such action, even though it was not a legal requirement. When PMLN called his bluff and said that they are ready to table such a motion, then he strangely started talking about consensus fully knowing that a consensus is impossible.
The fact is that such a motion can easily pass with a big majority inspite of opposition of Q league and MQM, if PPP decides to support it. But for some reason, PPP cannot afford to vote against Musharraf and that is why it using the nonsensical argument of consensus, knowing fully well that in democracy decisions are made by majority not by consensus.
But this is yet another folly of PPP government. On judges issue also it was talking about Assembly resolution and consensus, but in the end it had to eat a humble pie and judges were restored without any resolution in assembly. the same thing will happen on this issue also, inshallah.
True to its history, this PPP government will end up eating " sau piyaz as well as sau jootay".
Does'nt matter Q-League or MQM support it or not. Does'nt matter if the resolution is even passed by the parliament. N-League should atleast table the resolution so it can say they did what they could to trial musharraf. This will also expose Q-Leage and MQM (N-league's arch enemies). I read this same analysis in a newspaper. Now Bhaatee gate mentality is trying to accuse MQM and Q-League as an excuse for its inaction.
Saaf Saaf kion nahi kahtay kay tumharay baap ne mana kiaa hai Musharraf kay khilaaf action laynay se. ab yeh munafiqat chor doo Bhaatee gate waloo
msohail83
Member
Obaid, get some rooh afza! Rooh ko taskeen pohanchaye!
So PPPs action is conditional with the PMLN. if PMLN will do something good PPP will follow otherwise not. Baap to donoo ka ayaa tha aur mana kar giya donoo ko.
Look, as I said before, PPP NEVER said it will trial Musharraf. NEVER!!!!
It was NAwaz Shareef who has been jumping up and down to take badla from Musharraf and now that he cant he is using all sorts of excuses for his inactions.
mein kahta hoon, NAwaz Shareef aakhir kion nahi bill pass karataa?? agar Q-League aur MQM oppose kartay hein tou karnay doo. Q-League aur MQM walay khud hee awam mein zaleel hongay. atleast NAwaz Shareef hujjat tou tamam karr day gaa national assembly mein resolution paish karnay se. Laikin baat kuch aur hai. Baat yeh hai kay inn kay baap ne mana kiaa hai inn ko aur ab yeh saaree dunyaa pay ilzaam laga rahay hein apnay media walay rishtaydaaro kay saath mill kay.
msohail83
Member
Jiyala can't see beyond PPP.
Mukj ko aik sawal kaa jawab doo tum log.
Government kahtee hai woh Musharraf kay against act karay gee agar parliament oss ko kahtee hai.
Nawaz Shareef aakhir resolution kion nahi paish kartaa parliament mein??
Agar resolution kay baad government act nahi kartee, tou government ko bayshakk giraa doo.
Agar Q-league aur MQM vote nahi daytay tou woh khud zaleel hongay. Aik resolution se itnay saaray kaam hojaein gay. Aakhir phirr kion Nawaz Sharif act nahi kartaa?? jawab hai kisi kay pass?
msohail83
Member
O bhai sab chaur hain. Tum ppp ki side le rahay ho to pehlay PPP ka jawab to do na? naray bazi kartay to wo thaktay nahi...Shaheed shaheed shaheed sun ke kan pak gaye then pakistan khappay khapay khapay....pakistan kis larget party?? kya hua hawa nikal jati hai jab kuch karnay ki bari aati hai to bara pan kahan jata hai?
kiaa karay PPP?? PPP nay tou kabhi kaha hee nahi woh Musharraf ko court mein ghaseetay gee tou phir PPP se kaisaa shikwaa?? atleast munafiqat tou nahi kee onhoo ne??
Zardari ko waada tornay pay kitnaaa zaleel kiaa thaa, yaad hai naa?? tou aaj yeh media walay kion chupp hein?? kion kay iss dafa waada bhaatee gate walay ne tora hai?? iss liyay??
waaday aur ailaanaat you tumharay piyaaray Nawaz Shareef ne keay thayy, ab kiaa hoaa ??? kion bhaag raha hai woh?? opposition mein rahtay hoey kuch nahi karr sakta tou hukoomat mein aakay kiaa karay gaa??? aankhein khoolo logoo, aankhein khoolo!!!
msohail83
Member
Well then lanat on their jamhooriat! They should call themselves the largest party of stooges and dictators.
Adonis
Member
PPP government's changing stances are so ridiculous and comically stupid that it is almost hard to believe.
The nincompoops sitting on government benches seem to be totally forgetting that Assembly resolution is not needed nor required for action against Mushharaf under action 6. They are trying to hide behind the facade of unanimous resolution apparently believing that if no resolution comes, then there will be no trial of musharraf.
They seem to be totally oblivious of the fact that althought it is the government which initiates action under Article 6 against anybody, but if the government does not do so on its own then any individual/private citizen can give an application to Interior ministry for such action to be initiated. If the ministry does not taken any action then that individual can go the court for making the government act.
So this is what will happen now. The government will dilly dally on such application forcing the applicant to go to the court with the court directing the government to finish the challan and submit the case.
The bottom line is: As usual, the PPP government will end up eating "sau piyaz as well as sau jootay".
meray dost, saaree baat political intelligence kee hai. PPP knew kay Pakistan mein abhi woh din nahi aaya hai kay army waloo ko court mein ghaseeta jaey. abhi oss din mein waqt lagay gaa. laikin aap kay pasandeeda leader aur malka-e-jazabaat Nawaz Shareef ko yeh saaree baatein samajh mein nahi aatein. iss hee liyay mein kahtaa hoon kay chor doo siri paey khanay aur chodhry nisar se jaan churaoo warnaa aisee hee baywaqoofiaa kartay rahoo gay.
msohail83
Member
Adonis,
sau piyaz as well as sau jootay
What does that mean?
aray tou karr doo naa case file musharraf kay khilaaf. Kartay kion nahi?? NAwaz Shareef ko kiss nee rokaa hai petition daakhil karnay se?? tumhara chodhry Iftikhaar bhi darr kay maray kuch nahi bola apnay decision mein.
agar government benches walay bahanay bana hee rahay hein tou kion nahi zaleel karr daytay onn ko resolution paish karr kay?? jawad doo naa?? PPP walay bahanaa bana rahay hein tou onn kaa bahana onn hee pay ulat doo. itnay hee baray leader hoo tou paish karr doo resolution. kiss nee rokaa hai tum ko??
haan, aakhir mein jeet tou NAwaz Shareef kee kee hogee. Bhaatee gate waloo kay samnay naudero waloo kee kahan chalay gee??
sohail, sau piyaz as well as sau jootay ko samajhnaa choroo, meri baat samjhnay kee koshish karo jo mein kah raha hoon.
msohail83
Member
Nawaz mera mama nahi lagta. I dont care about him just like I don't care about Zardari. They are both the same to me but I don't understand why you blindly follow PPP and defend them on non-sene issues?
meray dost mein PPP ko defend nahi karr raha. mein logoo ko Nawaz Sharif kaa aslee chahraa dikhana chahtaa hoon. yeh myth of lesser evil ab khatam hojaani chahiyay. jo bhi hukoomat mein hai oss ko good governance kay liyay support karnaa chahiyay. hukoomatein giranay se kuch nahi milay gaa meray dost. mein bas yeh batanaa chahta hoon, aur kuch nahi.
msohail83
Member
I'm not in favor of a govt change either but if you're seeing them fail miserably then you can't just sit there and watch till they run your country into ground. simple
Adonis
Member
@ sohail
It is an old folk story in Pakistan. The gist of the story is:
A man was once brought to the court of a king for some petty crime. The King gave the man the option to choose his own punishment from two alternatives, (i) Eat 100 onions (piyaz), or (ii) struck by shoes (jootay/littar) 100 times.
The man thought that being beaten by shoes is very humiliating as well as painful, so he will rather eat 100 onions. So he strated eating onions. But he had hardly eaten ten onions that he started feeling that his guts were coming out and he could not breath. So he requested the king that he should instead be given the punishment of 100 shoe strikes.
When his beating by shoes started, it was quiteful and everyone in teh court started laughing. After 10 shoes, the poor man could not take it anymore and requested the king to instead let him finish eating the remaining onions.
But again after 10 more onions the man could not take it any more and chose to be struck by shoes yet again.
This cycle continued until the poor man ended up eating 100 onions as well being struck by 100 shoes.
Thats exactly what is happening to the PPP government ever since it came to power.
msohail83
Member
Thanks for the detailed background and yes that's pretty much what's happening with PPP.
PPP ko khanay doo jotay aur piyaaz. tum ko kab se PPP se mohabbat hoagee?? sawal sirf yeh hai kay Musharraf, PPP, MQM and Q-league ko zaleel kion nahi karr daytay parliament resolution paish karr kay?? aik teer se itnay saaray shkaar kion nahi kartay? aakhir N-League waloo ko kis baat ne rook rakha hai?
misalligned
Member
yaar haar thread ki haalaat kar detay ho PMLN ka naam lay kay. AIk thread kholo dil khool kay in ko galliyaan do aur mamla khatam karo. Har thread ko tabah na karo please. I have read the whole thread, no one is defending PMLN then to whom you are exposing. Tum say PPP ka pocho to tum PMLN ko gali day detay ho. who is supporting PMLN here jis ko suna rahay ho.
PPP never said that they will try Musharraf. Its a shame not a pride. PPP was the only party which was not pro-establishment and now its the same party which is saving establishment and still people call it PPP
No, people here are blaming government, which could be fine but they are totally ignoring N-League. This issue is about N_League. PPP never claimed to punish Musharraf, which is not good but Nawaz Shareef was making all those claims that we all remember and now they and pkpolitics participants are again blaming Zardari for that. This is unfair. Many people here are suggesting N-League as better one. I ask them how??? Who is doing munafiqat here? Why are we buying in N-League and N-League's media propoganda??
mein bass itnaa poochta hoon kay aakhir N-League walay resolution paish karr kay MQM, Q-League aur PPP ko nanga kion nahi karr daytayy?? mujhay bass aik sawal kaa jawab day doo.
misalligned
Member
Oh Bahi PMLN Govt main aayi to qasaam lay lo tere say ziyada galliyaan doon ga main unko. lekin fact is that they are performing much better than PPP. Look at the sugar crisis PPP is once more exposed. WATO nain WATT laga di PPP ki deal kar kay. aur PMLN despite of being guilty in this situation WATO ki bewaqoofi ki waja say saaf bach gayi. SARA gand WATTO nain apnay kandhoon pay utha liya hai
bayimaani pay tou ghussa hai hee, laikin oss se ziyada khoon jalta hai munafiqat aur bayghairtee pay.
woh tou sahee hai laikin N-League kee itni saaree seats hein, woh kion nahi raise kartay iss issue ko? Salman Taseer kee family pictures ko tou poori dunya mein phailaa diaa thaa, aakhir iss scandal ko kion nahi exploit kartay? kion nahi public accounts committee mein uthaatay? iss kay 2 reasons hosaktay hein. aik tou yeh kay N-League walay khud involved hein aur doosra yeh kay onn pay pressure hai kay hukoomat kay against baat matt karo.
Agar woh opposition mein hotay hoey pressure nahi lay saktay tou hukoomat mein beth kay kiaa karain gay? aur agar choree mein mulawwis hein tou laanat bhaijoo inn pay.
ab yeh sab dekhtay hoey, tum hee mujh ko bataoo, government ko giranay se koi faidaa hogaa? anti-Zardari campaign chalanay kaa koi faidaa ? Zardari ko hata kay kiaa mill jaey gaa inn log ko? iss liyay mein kahtaa hoon kay government matt giraoo, balkay time poora karnay doo government ko, aur next government ko bhi.
laikin inn kee munafiqat aur bayghairtee pay dil jaltaa hai kionay yahee N-League walay TV pay aakay PP waloo kay khilaaf ilzamaat lagaein gay aur bura bhala kahein gay aur N-League waloo kay media walay bhi PPP ko hee bura kahein gay. Aakhir N-League walay holy cow hein? onn se koi kion nahi poochta kay Musharraf kaa case parliament mein paish kion nahi kartay?
misalligned
Member
hence proved PMLN people are **** now move forward. I agree with you on PMLN now open your heart to accept the truth about PPP
pappu, mein nay kab nahi acept kiaa truth?? haan agar sugar scandal mein mulawwis hein tou zaleel karoo government koo, laikin selective aur jhoota criticism matt karoo.
mein truth hee accept karoon gaa, agar koi kahay kay Zardari ne nuclear program bech khaaya yaa Zardari nee amreekans ko chowny bananay kee permission de hai tou mein chup nahi rahoon gaa.
baat yeh hai misalligned, tum tou baat samajhtay hoo laikin yehaa pay kuch log Nawaz Shareef kee Bhaatee Gate wisdom ko "great political wisdom" pukartay hein. aisay log ko educate karnaa zaroree hai. tum bhi meraa saath do misalligned. warna hamaree qoum aik hukoomat ko girwaa kay doosree banwaee gee phirr dossree girwaa kay pehlee ko bithaey gee.
awaam ko establishment kay jhoot aur dhookay mein nahi aana chahiyay.
misalligned
Member
The reality is my dear PPP and PMLN both are now working as a B team of establishment. They are no different. If they criticize each other, its mostly planned and you see otherwise both support each other. they are playing **** kushti on the top. Musharraf trial both will say the same but will do nothing because their masters are not ready for this. Both will say to undo the 17th ammendment but both of them will never initiate this. They are making fools out of us so lathi lay kay aik kay peechay na par jao both are the same.
laikin aik difference hai aur woh hai munafiqat kaa aur ghatya mentality kaa.
from day one ,since PPP has taken over the Govt ...
it has only one strategy.
which is
TALOFYING ...delaying tactics.
judges issue was getting delayed and delayed ...
lame excuses and excuses and excuses ....
then after getting pressurized from the public or US .
do it half heartily.
same is again going on for Mushrraf trial.
kingsalah
Blocked
muje ap sab aik sawal ka jowab dain musharaff ess mulk ko kha gaya hai or London main 7th star place main beta howa or yeh hukumat mulk ko kha rahi hai or ap ko beqoof banay k liey musharaf case khol diya hai kiya jab woh mulk main majood tha to kisi ko koi case nai yad aya ab jab yeh hakumat chali jaye gi to agli hakumat a kar is hakumat k case khol day gi
it is happening for the past decades with us.
and will continue ...
until WE want so.
kingsalah you are very right
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