What if Osama bin Laden leaves and 'pops up' in a far off country....

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What if Osama bin Laden leaves and 'pops up' in a far off country....

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semirza
Moderator

The Ghost of Osama bin Laden also keeps on emerging from his grave/grave to come and deliver the messages at the hour of need that United States wants it the most. These messages in turn grant a new life to Terrorism and mark it that purported Al-Qaeda Terrorism is live and kicking as ever.

This is very conveniently used as the pretext and an enabler that United States has very successfully evolved to exterminate any opposition in the way in the name of elimination of Terrorism. Al Qaeda and its Terrorism have proved to be the umbilical cords for US, so called moral grounds to maintain her presence in occupied foreign lands in and around of Iraq and Afghanistan.

US is now eagerly looking ahead and waiting in the wings to invade their next planned ultimate target - Pakistan. Thanks to our ever present (dead or alive) Muslim friend Osama bin Laden!

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 18:36 #
chechen
Member

semirza, "US is now eagerly looking ahead and waiting in the wings to invade their next planned ultimate target - Pakistan."

Is it not already under US control? I have posted this excerpt from Dr. Muzaffar Iqbal earlier.

Whatever it was, for now 11 September 2001 stands as a watershed between the low intensity invasion of the so called 3rd world of the post-Soviet era and the present intensive and full scale war that has so far conquered two wretched Muslim countries and subjugated numerous others without a fight(Pakistan).

Afghanistan was more or less a trial run. Other than the blind fury and raw rage, there was nothing behind the wanton destruction of this ravaged land. It’s most significant function proved to be the building of a war engine to provide a magic word for creating the most sinister label in recent history: Al-Qaeda.

Since this word was invented, framed in a context and spun around a story, it has become a magic wand applicable to numerous situations. From Madrid to Bagdad and from Casablanca to Jakarta, anyone who is stuck with this label, stands guilty, ipso facto. No further investigation is needed. The general public is satisfied merely by the application of this label and the accused is lumbered with a verdict of guilty. This is perhaps the most criminal and brazen act of the aggressors, who have used the full force of their media to propagate this label worldwide.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 18:56 #
semirza
Moderator

@chechen
Pakistan is the real target as of now. I will say that India is a an arse to contribute its presence while the real players are the US and its combined lot; Russia and China cannot be sidelined. I repeat this and mark my words, these giants will fight now, away from their homegrounds, on Pakistani soil. It will be us going to be trampled.Dont you think it has already begun?

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 19:05 #
chechen
Member

semirza, Russia and China have their own "Taliban" to deal with. Soviet Union already collapsed and Russia will think twice before any new ventures. India is already engaged in Afghanistan . They have already bet on the wrong horse- Northern Alliance since 2001.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 19:10 #
semirza
Moderator

Russia is very much active (behind the scenes). India's engagement in Afghanistan is a blunder, that will prove futile for India. China cannot be sidlined easily. Osama and the Northern Allience so far, directly or indirectly have been detrimental to the freedom fighters. If Osama is sincere to his cause, he should leave the area and reappear somewhere else, so as to remove this never ending excuse of American presence here.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 19:16 #
chechen
Member

Semirza, Just like WMD in Iraq they used the AQ, OBL and Taliban pretext. They will invent another pretext if those don't work. Remember the whole plan was to be near next el Dorado-Central Asia. It has tremendous resources and America needs those after Saudi oil dries up.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 19:20 #
semirza
Moderator

I would say Central Asia and Baluchistan (combined).

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 19:26 #
Anonymous

They need a port to export natural resources from Central Asia because all of them are land-locked. The route starts from Central Asia via Afghanistan via Northern Pakistan (NWFP) via Balochistan all the way down to Arabian Ocean. So all these powers want to consolidate their steps in all these areas so they have a reliable route for their future energy needs.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 19:32 #
semirza
Moderator

Our government is well aware of this plan, but at times I do wonder how US always successfully manages to manipulate/blackmail each and every government of Pakistan, to its own advantage while we keep on slumping on a steep slope.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 19:39 #
chechen
Member

bsobaid, Exactly. After the collapse of Soviet Union the West was scrambling to exploit the resources and every day a US based company from Chevron to other oil giants were landing there. Pakistan kept saying that they will establish trade with our long lost "Brothers" and wanted to solve the issue of Taliban to make it ideal for trade with Central Asia. Taliban was considered a monkey wrench in between. Then US jumped in with a wrong pretext and rest is history. Now India is the leading player and gets invited to all regional security meetings and no one talks of Pakistan. So much for the support that Pakistan is giving for so called war on terror. As I said earlier in another post, Pakistan is losing its sons and someone else is reaping the harvest.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 19:49 #
Anonymous

Our government and frankly speaking any other government in the region is too small and weak to stop this plan and I'd say they should'nt either. Our government should instead establish a partnership. The problem is that all big powers are fighting over the route and our poor government gets pulled from all different directions.
Big powers also want weak government in NWFP and Balochistan so they can easily implement their plan without having to deal with a central and a more ogranised and powerful government.

However, they are stuck in Afghanistan. Taliban is giving them a tough time already so not sure how exactly this plan will be implemented. One thing is for sure that there will be a pipeline running from Central Asia to Balochistan. The details of it are to be seen in coming years.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 19:49 #
skyfacts
Blocked

US has the right to call for fight against millitants.As its sufferings due to this war are at peak this time.But only these non-state actors should be helped against US..By confusing the situation and blame Usama and Mujahideen willnot save our life.
This is not a usefull way of thought here to go with.The need of the day is to join hands against this evil and help those giving tough times in the battle field...Most of the muslim countries doing the same and help Al-Qaida to destroy the evil only Pakistan using non-sense policies against US enemies.
AND PAKISTANIS STILL THINK MUJAHIDS BEING AGENT OF US OR PROVIDING OPPERTUNITIES TO ATTACK HERE.....MEANS THEY DONT HAVE THE ACTUAL SENSE OF THE GAME..FOLLOWING BLINDLY NATIONALISM SONGS WILL BE THE LAST WEAPON TO DESTROY US..

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 19:51 #
Anonymous

Chechen, the plan would have worked fine even with Taliban presence/government in Afghanistan. The real problem that messed everything up was Al-Qaeda. They pretty much screwed everything up by launching 9/11 and their desire to go global.
No wonder Pakistan did all it could to go against Al-Qaeda because Al-Qaeda messed everything up and hijacked Taliban and ruined the whole big plan as far as Pakistan was concerned.
Pakistan launched Taliban in Afghanistan so it can control or is atleast fully involved in future pipeline as opposed to Norther Alliance that India, Iran and Russia were trying to use. So Taliban was a Pakistani achievement against Iran, India and Russia but as I said, Al-Qaeda screwed everything up.
Pakistan still wanted to use Taliban in post 9-11 wrold but all different powers created a situation where Pakistan had to quit supporting Taliban and the control is now going into the hands of Iran, India, Russia. In the mean time, India, Russia and Iran have established good relations with USA and now all of them are on the same wavelength.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 19:57 #
chechen
Member

bsobaid, I do not agree with that. 9/11 was orchestrated by US itself to use as a pretext to pounce on Central Asia and Afghanistan. All investigations todate have been done to find out how it was allowed to happen rather than who did it. Al Qaeda was darling of US used to dismantle Soviet Union and overnight were changed into blood thirsty terrorists by staging the 9/11.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:05 #
skyfacts
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(((Pakistan still wanted to use Taliban in post 9-11 wrold but all different powers created a situation where Pakistan had to quit supporting Taliban and the control is now going into the hands of Iran, India, Russia. In the mean time, India, Russia and Iran have established good relations with USA and now all of them are on the same wavelength. )))

TUM ME HIMMAT HY THO DUNYA SE BAGHAWAT KERLO.

WARNA MAA BAAP(US) JAHAN KEHTHY HAIN SHADI KER LO..

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:06 #
semirza
Moderator

@skyfacts
When you yourself have never been involved or even have the slightest idea about the tactical, the strategic or the illusive game of tradecraft that is played and how well it is being played, than it places you in a position to listen and think. Answer my questions using logic:
Since when OBL stopped being CIA agent (he was trained by them is a secret no more)? What makes you think so?
Has he figured out yet that just his mere presence (after the Russian retreat) here was a direct cause of an open invitation/pretext to attack by the US and occupy Afghanistan, resulting in deaths and misery of unimaginable proportions?
Why can't you people differentiate among a friend and a foe?

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:07 #
Anonymous

US did not need 9/11 to launch Afghanistan war. Al-Qaeda was already in Afghanistan and was openly threatning and challenging US government. Unlike Iraq, internation community and western masses were in support to curb Taliban. US did not need to wound itself to justify Afghan invasion. Whoever did that, Al-Qaeda worked as the foot soldier atleast and is therefore responsible for messing up the whole situation.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:09 #
chechen
Member

bsobaid, What you are saying is exactly what US will say. There is no such thing as Al Qaida. There were Mujahideen on one side , Russian and later US invaders on other side and that's all. Some of the Mujahideen were dubbed Al Qaeda by US to foment distrust and drive a wedge betwen Muslims. They are there as guests of Mullah Omar and will remain there as long as US is there.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:21 #
Anonymous

Taliban are Afghanis and they are for Afghanistan.
Al-Qaeda is global and they are for global plans.

This is the difference between Al-Qaeda and taliban.
Local Vs. Global.

Al Zawaherri is the truest and biggest evil of all. He poisened everyone in Afghanistan.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:26 #
skyfacts
Blocked

semirza,
Since when OBL stopped being CIA agent (he was trained by them is a secret no more)? What makes you think so?

Since when Taliban stopped being ISI agents(They were trained by ISI and no secret more) and makes you think like that...

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:27 #
skyfacts
Blocked

semirza,

You lacking here to differentiate between concept of Ummah and nationalism......You will be able than to understand this difference of opinion here.......

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:29 #
chechen
Member

Taliban are Afghanis and they are for Afghanistan.

Wrong statement. Taliban are not nationalistic. They are fighting for the whole Ummah not just for Afghanistan. If they were nationalistic like Busharraf, they would have handed over OBL to US and saved their position and government.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:30 #
skyfacts
Blocked

And dont think Pashtune people know about Mulla Umer and Usama and blah blah blah through news only....like most of you all their.....

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:30 #
semirza
Moderator

skyfacts
You were not even born since I am in this field, and till date, now I teach this.Yes and I am not proud of what I do Grow up kid.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:34 #
skyfacts
Blocked

bsobaid
Al Zawaherri is the truest and biggest evil of all. He poisened everyone in Afghanistan....

west say QURAN is the bigest evil(nauzubillah)poisened every one against US and NATO..........so change it or edit it......where u stand???

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:37 #
skyfacts
Blocked

my dear bazurg,

lols

younger have more soptctd technology//come on...sorry if u hurted but........facts never change....

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:38 #
Anonymous

skyfacts, dont equate political/religious organisations with religion. These are 2 different animals altogether.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 20:42 #
linkwheel
Member

Think outside the box.

hmmm Maybe Moon LOL.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Jul 2009 0:19 #
skyfacts
Blocked

Link,
This is the problem for part of the muslims(Duniya daar) love,to have moon every where in life,at the cost of every thing....

bsobaid,

What r you talking about??Just name any political activity having armed movement against the Attackers....
And no Armed religious movemet need to having political sense to destroy the EVIL..???
You must accept that this religious armed movement has a great political awarness too,cannot be matched with bunch of traitors of Pakistani political class and time is comming this class will run through airports..
as the last defence line suffered and will suffer great damages in this WAR....In fullfiling their MASTERS wishes..

YOU ARE AGAIN GIVING COMMENTS FROM WESTEREN MEDIA AND TACTIC BUT OF NO USE...you have a very weak religious and political awarness....

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Jul 2009 9:38 #