while pakistan is in crisis due to america ,Nato and this Memo scandal .
imran khan has gone to america and at present in washington meeting with their officials,we want to know what are these secret deals he wants to make?
we want to know what is his agenda and he get exposes every time whenever pakistan is in crisis.
His character is very doubtful whether he is hiding on long march,or whether tere are sensitive issues like abbottabad,mehran base,kharot abad,karachi target killing ,NICL and so many ....but there is no doubt he is an american tout and america and west want to impose another tout on us.
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what Imran khan is doing in America at this crucial time???
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universal007
MemberPosted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 17:06 # -
pacemaker
MemberImran Khan is the only politician speaking against American policies and American imposed war of terror on Pkistan right from the day one while all other politicians were used to look other side whenever question of "so-called " war on terror is asked, go to youtube and revisit TV talk-shows in Pakistan and abroad, Hamid Mir and other already showed IK stance for the last 10 years, just check yourself!
gravity can not be held responsible for PML-N down fall, their lacklustr stance on American policies and war on terror is one of the reason
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 17:21 # -
logic
Inactiveimran khan is a new tout that west and america want to impose.
instead of america and west if he go to makkah we would appreciate him.Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 17:33 # -
scandinavian
MemberAnother BS thread. Noon-Goons think that everyone flee the country in a difficult time just like NS did flee tu UK during the Raymond D. case. Chotey Mian followed to see after big Noon-Goon........remember the fake heart case?
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 17:54 # -
what a useless question....
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 18:00 # -
scandinavian
MemberOk I have calculated it. This bad bad person is having meetings with RAW, MOSSAD, MI5 and many more foreign secret AGENCIES........IMRAN IS VERY MEAN........LOL. Take it easy. It's just Looney tunes....or is it noney-toons ;)
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 18:16 # -
insaftak
MemberCan you post the source?
From What I hear he is in london for a fund raising event for Namal College.
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 18:27 # -
insaftak
MemberNext question!
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 18:32 # -
scandinavian
Member@Insaftak
They will find other childish questions. No problem for Noon-Goons ;)
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 18:35 # -
insaftak
Member@ Scandinavian
Yeh I feel bad answering these childish questions but I guess someone has to do it. Patiently waiting for more childish questions by Goon League.
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 18:38 # -
aftab arif
MemberThese threads really are childish. Khan you know exactly why Imran goes abroad but still you like to cast aspersions on him.
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 18:52 # -
bsobaid
MemberHe is an emerging politician and it is part of his job to meet with international community.
This prepares a politician to deal with issues.
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 18:56 # -
Fazooli
MemberHaha... @ noney-toons
noney-goons also rhymes
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 21:07 # -
salak100
MemberI am not an IK supporter yet (i have not decided whom to vote for) but because I am in london, I thought it would be best to enlighten you guys. IK is in london for fundraising and as far as I know, the fundraising is not for politics rather for Namal Uni. I hope this clears a few things.
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 23:15 # -
hypocrite
MemberIt is very good that Khan sahib is running social projects. however someone who aspires to become the prime minister and is a national level leader shall focus more on national level politics than social work. I mean he shall have enough of an organization to colect funds without involving Khan sahib.
Why doesn the ask some of the newcomers to his party who are pretty rich to donate some money to the social causes of Khan sahib. Or perhaps khan sahib can ask some of his top party officials to start similar projects in other parts of Pkiatsn e.g. Multan.
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 23:19 # -
hypocrite
Membersorry for typo mistake in the spelling of Pakistan above. It is Pakistan. Deeply apologize for the mistake.
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 23:20 # -
aftab arif
Member@ Hypocrite Saab
I think it's an issue of trust, and a lot of people give donations because of Imran's Honesty.
Posted 5 months ago on 10 Dec 2011 23:23 # -
insaftak
Member@ aftab & hypocrite
Fauzia Kasuri does go for some of the fund raiser where Imran Khan can't go. Since Imran Khan loves Namal College he will always go himself for Namal.
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 0:49 # -
logic
InactivePosted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 1:03 # -
logic
Inactiveread express news and if u dont agree that he has not met with any us officials then sue that papers if u r not lier
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 1:05 # -
insaftak
Memberwill have to wait for Imran Khan's interview to Al-Jazeera that is mentioned in this article. Imran Khan was scheduled for a fundraiser in London for today.
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 1:12 # -
expakistani
MemberDesi People living in USA are very "kanjoos" or may be because we don't see "fageer" on every street turns and stop lights we are loosing habit of giving change to "khareeb admi"
But still we donate to Imran Khan, Abdul Sattar Edhi shahzad Roy and Abrarul Haq because they have completed some formidable task.
Keep up the good work
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 4:57 # -
Data pasted from a duplicate thread.
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1101398155&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20111211
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/12-11-2011/Karachi/pic.asp?picname=4264.gif
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 5:02 # -
Don't we need to escalate the conspiracy theory that Pakistani Establishment is behind the rise of PTI to Super Power Establishment (Pentagon and CIA) is behind Imran Khan now? Specially, when Pakistani establishment is at odds with its bossier counterpart.
But do not forget the following:
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 5:14 # -
Musharraf suddenly goes to US - at same time with Imran Khan.
http://jang.com.pk/jang/dec2011-daily/10-12-2011/mulkbharse.htm
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 6:08 # -
insafi111
Blocked@rasheed,
Try to raise the level of your thinking. Why would Imran Khan, the most popular leader in Pakistan, need a nobody like Musharraf?
It was your NS who needed to beg Musharraf to release him from jail. This is how deals are made - deals have a background. Where is the background here?
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 6:17 # -
@insafi111,
I am not sure what kind of meetings Imran Khan wants every now and then in US.
The last time Nawaz Sharif was in US was like 12 years ago and Imran Khan visits US probably 12 times every year.
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 6:22 # -
sasherwani
Membershmm.. Nawaz Sharif doesn't need donations/funds to run the party because he has access to all government machinery and loans for him grow on trees in the form of national banks.
Anyway, poor try. Try to use some actual logic next time instead of just 'hawaa may teer'
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 7:22 # -
@sasherwani,
Sharif family's Itefaq trust hospital conducts largest number of heart surgeries for children in Pakistan. Yet, they don't ask for donations nor use this project for political point scoring like Imran Khan.
It is such a shame that Imran Khan runs charity project on people money, and use the same project for political benefits and mentions that in every jalsa.
Nawaz Sharif was not government for 8 years under Musharraf, yet still they did not ask for any donations from US etc, nor they begged government for free plots like Imran Khan.
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 7:45 # -
@sasherwani,
As per express news, Imran Khan did not go to US to collect funds, but to meet senior US officials.
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 7:51 # -
cutenice62
Member@rasheed
PTI k jhanday pay noon league ka salogan laga k kaisa mahsoos kar rahay hain :p
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 8:05 # -
khanseena1
Member@scandavanian
A correction to your statement on NS going to London for fake heart problem, he in fact did have complication from a heart procedure - ablation for abnormal rhythm.
This lie of fake heart problem and running away from RD case has been propagated in this forum.Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 12:46 # -
scandinavian
Member@Khanseena1
To be honest I cannot prove it to be fake or true. It is a matter for Noon-League to clarify. From day one they have been unclear about the issue. The confusion on this issue is created by none other than Noon League itself. If they cannot tel exactly what's wrong with him and exactly where he is being treated then people will have their suspicions - especially when you know that Noon-League has a tradition of LIES and DECEPTIONS! I also remember one respected member of this forum saying that one of the hospitals mentioned did NOT perform one the said heart ailments/surgery which Noon-League had mentioned.
A similar story has evolved around AAZ. Different PPP representatives are giving different statements hence the confusion. I don't believe it is difficult to give ONE statement.
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 13:05 # -
wasimibr
MemberIk knows that only the support of his two Pakistani bosses is not enough for his iqtidaar and therefore he has gone to USA for making some American bosses as well.
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 17:42 # -
insafi111
Blocked@rasheed,
Imran Khan is an international celebrity runing charity organizations. That's why he has to go to different western countries for lectures, international seminars and conferences, and charity donations. BTW, he accepts donations only from Pakistani ex pats abroad, not from any foreigner.
Some shame is in order for you, btw. Imran Khan made SKMCH hospital through his leadership and credibility. Minus Imran Khan, there wouldn't be SKMCH; minus a donor or two, there would still be SKMCH. Overall, it is a combined effort, but the main credit goes to IK.
Nawaz and Shabaz could not accomplish that in their wildest dreams. Their business-run charity hospitals was first of all erected by their father, not them, and secondly, those hospitals cannot be compared with SKCMH.
What is the budget of Itefaq hospital? Give us a credible source.
And it is they who use these medical facilities, who are average at best, in politics. SKMCH is a feat of its kind and therefore it is popular, just like Edhi's charity work. But nobody knows Itefaq hospital or Sharif medical complex because their contributions at best are no feats, as countless such hospitals are run by religious charities and others.
So it is they who are bringing whatever contributions they have on media for political purposes. This is shameful.
Leaders built institutions. People who gave donations to IK are spent on the right causes. That is what your problem should be. Do you also say shameless things like Edhi should be ashamed of using public donations for rightful causes?
Your intellectual and moral bankruptcy is incomprehensible. You are turning the definitions of charity work upside down. The credit goes to the person who envisions an idea. The credit goes to the person who motivates the people to contribute to a cause. The credit goes to the person who puts the public donations to the right use.
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 20:38 # -
@insafi111,
You will find answers related to Ittefaq Hospital and Sharif Medical city here:
http://pkpolitics.com/2011/08/18/capital-talk-18-august-2011/
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 20:53 # -
insafi111
BlockedThis is supposed to be a political program - so why advertise a charity facility which, though appreciable, is not known for any outstanding contribution? Religious organizations run many hospitals, etc.
Is there any doubt that Hamid Meer, who is sympathetic to N-league and a rightist journalist, was persuaded to do this program by N-league? Is this not then the use charity work for political purposes at its worst?
N-league has a very bad habit of accusing others of what it is guilty of! This is called Munafiqat.
Anyway, I appreciate any charity work. Rather than having me to run through the entire program, you can just tell me the annual budget of Ittefaq hospital and Sharif Medical complex.SKMCH budget is Rs. 3.6 billion.
http://www.shaukatkhanum.org.pk/how-to-help/462.htmlPosted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 21:15 # -
raheb
Member"what Imran khan is doing in America at this crucial time???"
What you have to do with it? What you think of it?
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 22:07 # -
stingingnettle
MemberOne thing is for sure, he is certainly not creating a memo to the powers that be in Washington asking America to send a loud fist to some important desks in Pakistan.
It must be pretty confusing for some to understand that he is doing something worthwhile with his time in the US and in the UK instead of inspecting properties or his bank accounts.
Imran has something that Zaradari and Nawaz can only see in their dreams, the trust of the people in Pakistan and overseas.
Posted 5 months ago on 11 Dec 2011 23:10 # -
@insafi111,
The issue is not that budget of SKMH hospital is 1 thousand rupees or 100 trillion rupees.
SKMH is run by peoples money, in which I have personally contributed many times, and Sharif family has also donated millions of rupees.
I never donated money in SKMH so that Imran Khan could use that charity project for political point scoring. I am 100% sure that millions of other donors also never wanted the Imran Khan to use their money for political point scoring.
In contrast, Sharif Medical City and Ittefaq hospital do NOT run on peoples money, but through personal funding of Sharif family. Just like SKMH is saving lives, Iteffaq hospital that conducts largest number of heart operations for children is saving human lives.
In contrast to both projects, Sharif family has more right to promote their project since it is family funded as compared to SKMH which is charity/zakat funded. But the fact is that IK uses his project for maximum political point scoring in every Jalsa, which NS does not.
Posted 5 months ago on 12 Dec 2011 3:20 # -
insafi111
BlockedThe budget is the issue when you try to project hospitals like Ittefaq hospital on the same footing as SKMCH.
Maybe, Imran could run a handsome medical facility given his own personal and his family donations combined that he and his family has given to SKMCH. But that facility would be no way near the scope of SKMCH.
If Nawaz' family was running an examplary instiution like SKMCH, then you had a point.
Raising your goals, increasing your hopes, and realizing a bigger goal with the trust of your people is what a true leader does. One has to be deficient intellectually to not understand that.
Imran set up a big goal - a goal a person like Nawaz and Shabaz could not think of in government, while Imran did it as an individual - his goal was bigger than what he could personally achieve. He personally contributed a lot both in money and effort. Of course, more effort and time than Sharif bros could ever think of. But the visionary man that he is, he set up a goal that was many hundred times his personal capacity. Fine. So he asked for his nation's assistance for his cause, people contributed because they trusted Imran Khan. That's leadership.
What intellectual bankruptcy you are showing by making a petty, petty issue of "I did it all on my own" (even if it's a dispensary, as opposed to a person leading his people to achieve a much bigger goal. That's where your confusion lies.
To turn your point on its head, given the wealth and business of Sharif bros, they could run much bigger charity institutions in the country. For your kind information, charity work is never for self-promotion but to help the needy, and thus Sharifs have no right to do what you are suggesting.
So while Imran Khan's feat in SKMCH shows his leadership qualities, his vision, his conviction and his institution building ability (NOT financial contribution whatever they are) - ALL are naturally cited as qualities to be sought in politics - politics, btw, being a service as far as IK and PTI are concerned, Sharif's advertisement of the FINANCIAL contributions they made through their business run charities is something that can be characterized as political point scoring, which is something to be ashamed of.
Had their charity work exceptional, it would have made it to the media like Edhi's work and Imran's work.
Hasad na kar, mehnat kar! You must have heard this term. Go and beg for your donations to be given back to you. I am sure, some true selfless donor will throw it at you. Or who knows, even Imran Khan will do the honors. You don't deserve to be a donor of SKMCH - no matter how small or big. "Sharif" family should follow suit.
Whenever you say, "my money", I feel vomiting at your intellectual and moral health. DON'T FOR ONCE take ownership of the millions of people who contributed to Imran's vision, just because you are one tiny grain.
My family also contributed, I am absolutely happy with what Imran achieved and salute him.
Posted 5 months ago on 12 Dec 2011 4:26 # -
@insafi111,
I again repeat that no one gives charity to Imran Khan so that he could use this project for political point scoring.
Regarding Edhi, Imran should be ashamed of even calling his name. Edhi never used his charity work for political point scoring.
Edhi was forced into exile in London by none other than Imran Khan and Hamid Gul, who were forcing Edhi to use this humanitarian work for political purpose.
Posted 5 months ago on 12 Dec 2011 4:39 # -
insafi111
BlockedTo sum up the point, Imran's personal contributions are not quoted in any political arena. How much money he gave, how much time he gave, how much effort he put in, is between him and his conscience and his God.
What is quoted is his vision, his conviction, his ability to achieve what was considered impossible in Pakistan, the trust people put in him.
In short, the base of your argument coming from your small mind that Imran "didn't do it all through his money" (which is the crux of your rotten argument), is actually something that refutes your own argument. If Imran didn't do it all by himself and his financial contributions are drop in the ocean with regards to SKMCH, what are people praising about him when it comes to SKMCH? Of course, his personal contributions are to be praised, but that is not what is been talked about.
The talk of the town, as I said, is his vision, his leadership and the power of his conviction.
And the moment you make the petty point that "Sharifs made a hospital through their own money alone" (which is the crux of your argument), you show in glaring light that it is the PMLN and their followers who are trying to advertising Sharif's monetary contribution to a hospital of rather average scale.
You saw now what is political point scoring and what is not? I am sure you did, but you will not accept, but continue in your recession into intellectual and moral bankruptcy.
Posted 5 months ago on 12 Dec 2011 4:45 # -
insafi111
Blocked@rasheed,
You should be ashamed of your intellectual and moral bankruptcy. You are a black spot when it comes to SKMCH if you did give a donation. I told you don't claim ownership - request for the refund of yours!
So you see where you are twisting? Politics is not for crooks. Good people must enter politics. Edhi maybe is too simple for politics. But good people need to strive for politics.
Thus your implying that Imran entering politics = political point scoring is again the product of your feeble brain.
Entering politics is NOT equal to political point scoring.
And you know what? It is the many supporters of Imran who contributed to SKMCH, certainly much more than you, in money, time, and effort, who pusuaded Khan to enter politics. The public demanded him in politics. WE want him in politics against the crooks who are so shameless as to advertise their mediocre charity contributions on TV while have embezzled billions from national treasury.
We the people who made SKMCH possible under Imran's leadership, want Imran to lead us to build a prosperous Pakistan. Get it?
Posted 5 months ago on 12 Dec 2011 4:52 # -
Sulaiman Dar
MemberNajam Sethi has sent his "chirya" in Washington. May be we will have some answers tonight in his show for Khan's secretive mission to Washington :D
Stay tuned to "Apas Ke Baat" tonight. Here is what Najam Sethi has tweeted last night.
I have dispatched my Chirya to find out IK's agenda on his Washington trip. Watch my show AKB on GEO tomorrow for details!
http://twitter.com/#!/najamsethi
Posted 5 months ago on 12 Dec 2011 7:55 # -
siddiqi73
MemberEstablishment Khan and his "other" love ustad tabla master are both in USA at this very point of time and I can bet that both would have a slumber party in the house of Arjumand Hashmi who is currently in DXB tending to Zardari dramaybaaz.
Posted 5 months ago on 12 Dec 2011 8:40 # -
sasherwani
Members@ rasheed,
not donations from US, donations from non-resident Pakistanis living in the US. Dont malign facts buddy. This isn't Nawa-e-Waqt Lahore from the 80s. You cant get away with twisting facts.
Anyway, have fun with the dinosaurs ;)
Posted 5 months ago on 12 Dec 2011 8:47 # -
aftab arif
MemberOf course nobody would mention the first country Imran visited after his historic Lahore Jalsa.
Posted 5 months ago on 12 Dec 2011 12:43 # -
Sulaiman Dar
MemberAftab,
China hardly interferes in the intenral politics of Pakistan but everyone knows that US does so there comes the suspicions.
IK's visit to Washington at this critical juncture when the whole nation is mourning the death of its soldiers and then his secretive meetings with the officials of the State Department is enough to raise eyebrows.
Posted 5 months ago on 12 Dec 2011 12:51 # -
Sulaiman Dar
MemberBackdoor diplomacy: PTI ‘comfortable’ working with the US
Insider says Jahangir Tareen and his group will join the party soon.Sloganeering and public rhetoric aside, the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf would be willing to partner with the United States, party leaders say.
Party Chairman Imran Khan, at a recent meeting with the US ambassador, indicated that his party would be ‘absolutely comfortable’ working with the US on all issues, including the war on terror, since both countries have strong mutual interests.
Contrary to popular perception, the US sees Imran Khan and the PTI as essential to their assessment of Pakistan’s political scenario, a prominent PTI leader said while talking to The Express Tribune.
“There is no love lost between the PTI and US,” the leader said, adding that “the US is striving hard to gain popular public support, and in the face of Imran Khan, this support could serve its purpose.”
The US ambassador also reportedly assured Imran that his country was comfortable with PTI and its ideology.
“After the 2008 elections, the PPP and PML-N, who were riding on the wave of public approval, did very little to mitigate or tone down the anti-US sentiments in the country,” the PTI leader said.
“In the face of Imran Khan, however, a clean and popular figure would emerge, whom Washington would be happy to work with,” the leader said, adding “It would also provide a sharp contrast to the decaying images of President Zardari and PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif.”
“We told the US that we would not do anything which could destroy the precious Pak-US relations, nor do we intend to provoke the superpower,” the source said.
During the meeting both, the US ambassador and Imran, agreed that a strong Pakistan would benefit all concerned, including the United States,” the source added.
The PTI leadership had initially denied the Imran-Munter meeting, until the US ambassador admitted on a talk show that he had met Imran more than once, but never in the presence of DG ISI General Shuja Pasha.
Party’s central Information Secretary Omar Cheema said that during the meeting, Imran put forward the party’s position on Pak-US relations.
“Imran Khan told the US ambassador that Pakistan wanted a relationship based on honour and dignity and Pakistan’s sovereignty should not be violated,” said Cheema.
Swelling party ranks
The party leader, who wished to remain anonymous, said that former federal minister Jehangir Tareen would soon join the party, along with 12 provincial ministers.
“The joining of Tarin and his group would tilt the balance in PTI’s favour, in southern Punjab,” the leader said.
“At the moment it’s like a gold rush. Former PPP leaders, including Nisar Akbar from Faisalabad, Ghulam Sarwar Cheema from Wazirabad and Zafar Waraich from Rahim Yar Khan, have also joined the party,” the source added.
On Shah Mahmood joining the party, the source said that the former foreign minister didn’t have much choice.
Links with the establishment
The PTI leader said his party was “not one bit bothered” by talk of the establishment’s tacit support.
“There may be people around in the party who might have links with the security agencies but let me tell you, Imran Khan understands that more than the PTI needing the establishment, the establishment needs us,” the source said.
He said there was strong resentment in the party on the inclusion of certain politicians, and the young cadre was adamant to clean up, but Khan has tried to allay their fears and asked them to trust him.
Published in The Express Tribune, December 12th, 2011.
Posted 5 months ago on 12 Dec 2011 13:17 #
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