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LetsDoIt
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Dear Brother PP

I have seen the link you presented. I agree to the main points of the links that they are reported correctly but there are also some additions and the sequence of the events is not right if we analyze this in the light of Saheeh Ahadiths.
As this event is of a very diverse nature so It would be very nice if you could also mention where you need explanation and that would make this relatively an easier job to explain.
First of all you wrote MIRACLE of miraj. The word miracle means, something which dont have any scientific explanation. and also its not at all important to prove this scientificly because there are no. of things which science is unable to explain now and just put this in that category and the thing which is important is: what are the lessons given to muslims by this event?
I would come to these lessons later but first i tell you an interesting hadith. This is reported by Imam Ahmed from Ibn-Abbas. The hadith is too long to copy so i would just mention some parts of that but if you want i could copy all that for you Inshallah.
According to this hadith even our Prophet PBUH was having anxiety that people would not believe him about this event and then He PBUH met with Abu Jehl and he told him all about this event and in the last, he told some features of those areas he visited on the earth, he described those areas in detail and there were few people who had visited those places and they confirmed that these places look like the same as explained by Prophet PBUH.

Now i would like to highlight few important lessons derived from this event. It is important to learn these lessons than to find scientific logic for miracles. It is impossible to find the logic how Jesus put life in dead in the name of God and Moses made a way in water etc
The first lesson is that now the leadership is passed from Bani Israeil to Muslims and now its a duty of Muslims to Implement Khilaafa or system of Allah on this earth. I could explain this if you want.
The second thing was to highlight the importance of Masjid-e-Aqsa.
The third thing was to highlight the importance of Prayer and last few verses of Sorah Al-Baqra
The foruth thing was to show him some events of future so when his prophecies would come true, people could believe in what he brought means Islam.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Feb 2008 12:13 #
karachimurgichoor
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maybe the admin should start a special section for islamic discussions
this is so boring your ppl shoving islam down the throats for everybody. get a section for religion and religious discussion and blabber all you want there.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Feb 2008 12:30 #
peterpan773
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@ karachimurgichoor

This thread is on \" What is Islam and why is it misunderstood?\"

You are not interested in it........Go to another thread.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Feb 2008 20:57 #
yk
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@peterpan
bro it is possible to scientifically explain the miracle of isra and miraj. The first scientific clue is that it is mentioned that when Prophet Mohammad pbuh started on this journey his bed was warm and the lock on his door was swinging and when he returned they were still in this condition as he had left them. Time had stood still. To make such a claim 1400 years before we discovered that time stands still at the speed of light is proof itself that it was a true event. We have named this event as a miracle but actually it is just a historic event which has signs of Allah for the believers.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Feb 2008 21:37 #
Anonymous

Most of people are Muslim out of fear, not due to love for Islam..

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Feb 2008 23:23 #
peterpan773
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He also explained about Masjid e Aqsa..
What Masjid he was talking about?

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Feb 2008 23:59 #
peterpan773
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Here are some issues with the story of Isra and Miraj

Masjid e Aqsa

Glory to (Allah)
Who did take His Servant for a journey by night,
From the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque.
Quran 17:1

The biggest problem with this story is that the Masjid e Aqsa “Farthest Mosque” was built after the death of Muhammad.
When Caliph Omar conquered Jerusalem he performed a prayer in the site where Temple of Solomon used to stand. The Romans in 70 A.D destroyed that temple. Since then no temple, church or mosque stood on that spot. It was Caliph Abdul Malik ibn Marwan who built the Dome of the Rock around 691 A.D. i.e 72 years after Hijrah. And Masjid e Aqsa was built on the Temple Mount by the end of the 7th century.

Miraj took place around the year 622. At that time Jerusalem was in the hands of the Christians. There were no Muslims living there and certainly there was no Mosque in Jerusalem. 53 years after the death of Muhammad, Muslims built the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa on the site where Solomon had his temple

Many Islamic scholars, including Yusuf Ali are of the opinion that by Masjid e Aqsa, it is intended the SITE of the building and not the actual building.
This apologetic line could have been a way out of the dilemma if it was not for the following Hadith, which unequivocally asserts that Masjid e Aqsa was an actual building which existed in the time of Muhammad.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 636:
Narrated Abu Dhaar:
I said, \"O Allah\'s Apostle! Which mosque was built first?\" He replied, \"Al-Masjid-ul-Haram.\" I asked, \"Which (was built) next?\" He replied, \"Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem).\" I asked, \"What was the period in between them?\" He replied, \"Forty (years).\" He then added, \"Wherever the time for the prayer comes upon you, perform the prayer, for all the earth is a place of worshipping for you.\"

This hadith presents yet another problem. Masjid’ul Haram (Kaaba) was built by(according to muslim’s tradition) Abraham. He lived about 2000 BC and the Temple of Solomon (the site of the Msjid e Aqsa) was built about 955 BC. There is a gap of over 1000 years between the dates of the construction of the two buildings.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 0:57 #
peterpan773
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Jerusalem

According to Hadeeths Prophet Muhammad led the prayer where all the prophets from Adam to Jesus had come to attend .
a. Were these prophet ressurected to life to attend this prayer?
b. City of Jerusalem had a population of few thousands.Congregation of One hundred twenty four thousand prophets must have been a spectacular event for the people living there.
c. Did these Prophets also come on Burraq?? If yes .where did they tie them?
d. A football stadium can accommodate 60000 to 70000 people.Imagine a Mosque accomodating a congregation of more than hundred thousand Prophets

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 1:03 #
peterpan773
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7 Heavens

Prophets Muhammad is entering 7 heavens where he is meeting some prophets who are residing on different levels of the heaven.
a. How did these Prophets reach before him? He had just finished prayer leading them in Jerusalem. He must have been provided Burraq with a slower speed than those Prophets.
b. Are these prophets still residing on different levels of heavens? Adam on 1st level. Isa and Yahya on 2 nd.Yousuf on 3rd,Harun on 5th,Ibrahim on 7th?

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 1:04 #
peterpan773
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. 5 Prayers

Prophet Muhammad goes up and down between 6th and 7th heavens trying to reduce the number of daily prayers? In that hadith,Prophet Muhammad is bargaining for some break time on behalf of his people against a merciless boss who tries to require 50 prayers a day, that is, a prayer for every 28 minutes, day and night.

In that narration Moses is the wise guy and he coaches Muhammad in this hard task of negotiation with God. Muhammad is depicted as a person who cannot even calculate, or understand without the help of Moses who resides just one/ or two?heaven below God, the impossibility of performing 50 prayers (not unit) a day? Even if one tried at that time they could not have divided the day to 50 periods of 28-minutes.
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Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 1:15 #
yk
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Firstly i suggest you bring the disrespectful tone down about Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. It will do noone any good. Secondly all your allegations are very easy to answer. I am currently tied up. I will answer them one by one. They will be very easily answered.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 1:47 #
yk
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But first you have to tell me if you please that what religion do you follow? So that i can make allegorical comparisons. This is a must and if you are atheist you can declare it. It doesnt matter to me.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 1:49 #
yk
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Your first question is regarding the Masjid e Aqsa. This is a very common misconception that by masjid e aqsa it is meant some building where Prophet Muhammad pbuh lead the other prophets in prayer. When he arrived at the dome of the rock which is the same one that prophet sulaiman built, prophet mohammad pbuh was instructed to lead the prayers in the ground adjacent to it. This ground is the place where the Building of masjid e aqsa was erected later. Masjid merely means a place for prostration or worship not a constructed structure, but can mean that too. The prophet described the place, not the building to the ppl who questioned him. So giving the timeline of the Temple of the dome of the rock is irrelevant because the Mosque was resurrected on the ground next to it. Plz do not confuse the two. They are seperate. Your own argument the the mosque was built after the Prophet\'s demise is clue to this. Otherwise the temple could have been converted into the mosque. But it was religious tolerance which is the basis of islam that prevented any such occurence. Masjid al aqsa translates in arabic into the farthest mosque. I hope this clarifies your first question.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 2:12 #
yk
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I am writing from a device hence cannot copy paste the translation of the verse of the Holy Koran mentioned above. 17:1. I have the marmaduke pickthal translation at hand and he has translated the this verse saying from the inviolable place of worship to the farthest place of worship, not mosque in the translation. I will check yusuf ali\'s translation later which i am sure has no contradictions. But the word masjid does not translate into a building. Muslims have open grounds which we term as mosques and reserve for worship.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 2:23 #
yk
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The building built by Prophet sulaiman was originally the mosque of aqsa meaning the farthest worship place for ppl all over the world. All prophets were muslims who brought the message of belief in One God and a virtuous way of life. The mosque was distorted through ages and became a site for pagan rituals and heretic acts. If i take your word for it the building was destroyed by the romans, hence the place where the Prophet was taken was the farthest place of worship. Can you please give the reference of where you came up with the historical timeline for the mosque and dome of the rock and plz while quoting the Holy Koran quote the complete verse, never partially, it distorts the meaning.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 2:30 #
yk
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The masjid e aqsa was completed at the time by prophet sulaiman. The dome still stands. Prophet Muhammad was told to pray at a site adjacent to it so that there would be no confusion as to which is the jewish and christian temple and which is the mosque.It is no where mentioned that it was started by him. Similarly the mosque of haram was started by prophet abraham like the mosque of aqsa. The masjid al haram is still periodically under construction and will be so until the end of time. Thus it is possible that there was a forty years gas between the two constructions. Prophet sulaiman was from southern arabia. Why would he start building a mosque far north, unless he was following prophet abraham\'s footsteps and restructuring and building upon the site where prophet abraham had started the mosque.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 2:46 #
yk
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As to the questions about the gathering of the prophets you must inform of your religious affiliations before i can answer. If you are a good christian or jew its really good because you are as close to a muslim as possible yet far. It doesnt matter but plz state so that i can clarify your simple questions.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 2:51 #
yk
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As for the controversy in your mind regarding the issue of the command for prayers. Let it be clear first that man was solely and soulfully created to acknowledge and worship his Creator! When the purpose of our creation is worship of the One who created us then the issue is not 50 or five or every so and so minutes but continuous worship every moment of every day.
You have quoted the incident in part only. There was an initial command to establish prayer 500 times a day i think. I cannot remember off the top of my head exactly but i\'m certain it was more than 50. When Muhammad in his innocence descended to the lower heaven, he met Moses who asked him about his meeting with Allah. Moses is an older and more experienced Prophet. He advises Mohammad that from his own experience with his followers, mankind is too lazy for so many prayers a day. So Mohammad ascends to meet Allah again and request for a lesser number. This descent and ascent continues until Mohammad pbuh says that he cannot ask Allah for more concessions.
Now i dont know whether you are a christian or a jew otherwise you would not have doubted Prophet Moses\'s acumen for advise to his fellow Prophet who is linked to him by blood. I dont understand that when does taking advise become The depiction of weakness or insensibility? Allah forbid. It is a sign of flexibility and wisdom to accept advise when it is beneficial. There is no christian who loves Christ or a jew who loves Moses on this earth like muslims love Muhammad pbuh. And we respect the other prophets equally, it is a part of our faith. This love is mirrored by Muhammad in bargaining with Allah, taking your words, for tokens of mercy and relaxations for his believers. When did asking Allah, God become bargaining? Do you bargain when you pray? Or do you humbly request your Creator? Muhammad pbuh related the incident himself elevating Moses\'s stature, and that does not belittle him but for cynics and the blind. You must know that he was the most successful Prophet of Allah in his lifetime and had the greatest number of believers. There is no other Prophet of equal success in preaching Allah\'s religion.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 5:21 #
yk
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7 heavens? Now that was just cynicism for the sake of cynicism. As i stated above, the incident was described in detail by Muhammad himself so peterpan\'s questioning is solely on the scientific possibility not the historical exactness. It cant be.
The reason these Prophets who had just offered prayers lead by Muhammad pbuh, to be at the heavens before him, was firstly to show him that Allah has given his different prophets might beyond contemplation. Secondly they were present to welcome him at the different levels. Why they are at the levels they are is Allah\'s decision. Not ours. As for the horse, the other Prophets were not provided horses and had their own ability to ascend or descend at Allah\'s will.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 5:30 #
yk
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Fear? Muslims are muslims for fear? Probably from fear of Allah Almighty. But fear from wrath of fellow humans is something everyone is aware muslims dont have. The clash of civilizations is not because of religion, because the Abrahamic religions are very similar, it is for oil. It is only for oil. I know a lot of christian converts to islam living abroad. Who are they afraid of? And they are firmer in their faith than any born muslim. Most of the christian populace is atheist. Idol worshiping and morally defunct. That does not make christianity wrong only christians who are as such.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 5:36 #
yk
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A lot of the points here seem wikipedia copied. Plz refrain from that. It is an unreliable site. Deemed unacademic widely.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 5:38 #
LetsDoIt
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Dear yk
The questions asked by Mr. PP are really very nice and i really appreciate them. Such questions are not asked by Muslims because they have stopped thinking. So please dont mind that and let him ask what he wants.

@PP
I really appretiate the questions you asked but you know what these questions are already answered almost 700 years ago. I will give you the references Inshallah. And many of the people really dont know the real facts. The problem in the study of Hadith is that there are no. of hadiths which are not truly reported and there are no. of hadiths in which there is a probability that the reporters intention was great but he might forgot something and thats the reason that Scholars of Islam made hadith entirely a distinct field of study.

First i will come to the history of Masjid-Al Aqsa

If you try to find its history in the Islamic literature then there is really very limited material and the hadith you mentioned is a saheeh hadith which describes about Al-aqsa that it was build 40 years later than Kaba (Masjid Alharam), so in such a case Prophet PBUH advised us to get help from Riwayat-e-Bani Israeil or from the books of jews and christions.
Now come to Book of Genesis which describes the history of this place.

Prophet Ibrahim after establishing the place of worship in Makkah came back to Jerusalem and he also established a place of worship here. This place was later known as Beteyel or the House of Allah. Hazrat Ishaq (AS) used to worship here but he also made a journey to makkah for pilgrimage. Then after Hazrat Ishaq AS, Hazrat Yaqoob AS used this place for worship and then all of his sons moves to Eygypt after Hazrat Yousaf AS got position of power in Eygypt and this is the start of bani israiel as Hazrat Yaqoob was also knows as Israiel and his twelve sons are tweleve tribes of Bani Israiel and then starts the history of bani Israiel, for which i will not go into the details but this was the time when Bani Israiel left this place and then later in the time of Prophet Joshua and Prophet Dawood they come back again to this place and then Prophet Dawood used to pray at this place and that is the reason why Hazrat Umer bin Khitab called this place as MASJID-e-Dawood.

Now question arises why this place was called Masjid-Al-Aqsa.
Aqsa is an arabic word and its meanings are Farthest place and masijid is also an arabic word whose meanings are place to worship. There are plenty of eveidences which shows that people used to go for pilgrimage from Jerusalem to Makkah and arabic was used in Makkah. So people there strated calling this place as Place of worship of Allah which is very far or farthest place of worship of Allah which when translated in arabic sounds like Masjid-Al-Aqsa. so this name was not new to people of Makkah therefore when these verses revealed to Prophet Muhammad PBUH no body even questioned where is this place as this was not something new for them so please dont mix it with the masjid build by Umer Bin Khitab.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 11:16 #
LetsDoIt
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7 heavens:

Now coming towards your second question. Did Prophet lead the prayer before the ascend?

The answer is NO, thats why i told you that the sequence of the events in the link provided by you was not correct how lemme explain?

When Prophet ascend to the first level and then second and third and so on he met with other Prophets (PBUT) of Allah and every time he asked from Gabriel that who is this man? and Gabriel told him that he is this prophet and he is that Prophet now there is a logical question arises that if he led the prayer just few moments ago, it means he met with all of them few moments ago then why he is asking their names? Also now Prophet describes the Physical features of each of the prophets and by this it is clear that this is the first time Prophet saw them. This is reported by Musa bin Uqbah narrating from Az-Zuhri and it can be found in Tafseer-ibn-Kathir which is written more than 700 years ago

Where Prophet Led the prayer?
It can also be found in the discussion in Ibn-kathir that many people think that it was in the heavens not in the earth and few also thinks that it was Bayt Al-Maqdis and few also thinks that it was before the Ascend but that is not true (confirmed)
But if that was on earth then why the other Prophets did not used Buraq, now its my own interpertation so it could be wrong. Only Allah knows the best. Among all the Prophets only Muhammad PBUH went and come back with his body, all the other prophets are alive but their life is not like Muhammad PBUH at that time. Even it can be found in a hadith that Muhammad SAW said that dont think and compare your life with them (Martyrs and prophets ) so as they were not there in a physical form so space is not at all problem for them like Allah says that thousands of angels daily visit Makkah and pray there but we never faced some issue of space there because they dont come in the physcial form.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 11:37 #
LetsDoIt
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5 prayers

first of all no prayer takes 28 minutes at all and also in the begining it was only 2 fard for every prayer except for Magrib which has 3 but later after hijra i dont remember the exact year, the Dhuhar, asar, and Isha fards were changed from 2 to 4.
Now coming to your main question, whatever Prophets do, they do with the will of Allah, so Muhammad coming to Musa and Musa\'s advice was will of Allah.
So one reason for this was that Allah wanted his Prophet PBUH to come to him again and again giving lesson to every one that how they can seek help of Allah every time and he will not refuse even if we go there again n again because he is not like other merciless boses.
The second lesson was to the Muslim Ummah that they should not beheave like Bani Israiel and also in Quran Bani israiel are discussed every where so Muslims should avoid those habbits but we are going exactely on their footsteps.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 11:47 #
yk
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I am sorry if i gave the perception that i am annoyed at your querries. Absolutely not, i only ask a degree of respect be established in the questions which maintains good will and positive responses. By the way , the questions are nothing new and have been answered a thousand times.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Feb 2008 12:00 #
peterpan773
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@yk
I will be posting my arguments very soon. need a little time.

BTW you asked me for the reference .

Masjid e Aqsa was built on the Temple Mount by the end of the 7th century. This is reported in The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam, Harper & Row, 1989, p. 46 and 102.
Nothing is reported from wikipedia.

Posted 4 years ago on 29 Feb 2008 0:36 #
peterpan773
Member

Like most tales and legends, the story of the Mir\'aj evolved over time, becoming more and more elaborate and fantastic. The tale of the Miraj was built around an obscure verse in the Qur\'an (Surah 17:1):

What is the earliest written version of Prophet Muhammad\'s Miraj?

One of the earliest sources is the Sirah Rasul Allah (Life of the Apostle of God), composed by Abu Muhammad \'Abd al-Malik bin Hisham – who died in the 9th century (834 A.D.)! Other sources for this little tale are the Sahih Bukhari, which was composed by al-Bukhari, who lived entirely in the 9th century (810-870 A.D.). The Sahih Muslim also contains information concerning the Miraj and was composed by Muslim bin al-Hajjaj al-Nisapuri, who also lived entirely in the 9th century (821-875 A.D.). These historians and compilers are writing and gathering this tale after almost two centuries.

I am quoting this passage from an article \" What is Quran\" published in \"The Atlantic\"

Not surprisingly, given the explosive expansion of early Islam and the passage of time between the religion\'s birth and the first systematic documenting of its history,Muhammad\'s world and the worlds of the historians who subsequently wrote about him were dramatically different. During Islam\'s first century alone a provincial band of pagan desert tribesmen became the guardians of a vast international empire of institutional monotheism that teemed with unprecedented literary and scientific activity. Many contemporary historians argue that one cannot expect Islam\'s stories about its own origins—particularly given the oral tradition of the early centuries—to have survived this tremendous social transformation intact. Nor can one expect a Muslim historian writing in ninth- or tenth-century Iraq to have discarded his social and intellectual background (and theological convictions) in order accurately to describe a deeply unfamiliar seventh-century Arabian context.

To be continued.

Posted 4 years ago on 29 Feb 2008 1:28 #
yk
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@pp.
As i wrote before that there is no controversy about Masjid e aqsa because it was as you said destroyed by romans, and rebuilt by Muslims during the caliphate at the site where Prophet Muhammad lead the prayers.
Your arguments were encyclopedic hence my suspicion of wiki being involved but turns out another encyclopedia is involved. I have never consulted it hence am unaware of its authenticity. I will come back to this later.

Firstly thank you for agreeing that Islam brought a revolution in the lives of pagan shephards and transformed their docile existance into a disciplined force that swept through the world and created the second largest empire in modern history which laid the principles of modern law and order, civil liberties, human rights, mathematics, philosophy, chemistry, physics, music, medicine and what not. The list is so long that i dare not tread it. But those muslims from the sixth century to the nineteenth dominated most parts of the civilized world and created centres of justice, education and fraternity.
The Glorious Koran which has guidance for those destined has been preserved through 9 centuries and will so till the end of time because Allah has taken the matter of its preservation in its own hand. You have not declared your religion, and if you do have one, which i am sure you do, you will fail to produce one sentence passed down as the word of God from your Prophet, in its original form, untainted and without doubt. The tradition of word of mouth existed before Islam, in the pagan times. At the time of Muhammad pbuh, ashab e sufa were given the task of writing and preserving religious revelations and Prophet\'s sayings. The scholars bukhari and muslim and others compiled the Ahadith by gathering the written word, or multiple testaments to the same statement. A few ahadith are ambiguous and some are even rejected but that is from the time they were written not a modern phenomenon.

As to the word of mouth, the Holy Koran is a testament to the preservation of Allah\'s word muslims have achieved by Allah\'s Will. There is Allah\'s Will and Wisdom in every event. The ahadith that did not survive was Allah\'s Will. He did not want them to survive for reasons only He knows. The ones that have, their chain of testimonial is preserved.

Posted 4 years ago on 29 Feb 2008 3:14 #
yk
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And to clarify your misconception Ahadith were written down at that time. They were compiled later by these scholars not written anew.

Posted 4 years ago on 29 Feb 2008 3:17 #
peterpan773
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@Yyk
I am citing these hadiths to show that Prophet Muhammad was talking about actual Mosque.

Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 233:
Narrated Jabir bin \'Abdullah:
The Prophet said, \"When the Quraish disbelieved me (concerning my night journey), I stood up in Al-Hijr (the unroofed portion of the Ka\'ba) and Allah displayed Bait-ul-Maqdis before me, and I started to inform them (Quraish) about its signs while looking at it.\"

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0309:

It is narrated on the authority of Anas b. Malik that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I was brought al-Buraq Who is an animal white and long, larger than a donkey but smaller than a mule, who would place his hoof a distance equal to the range of version. I mounted it and came to the Temple (Bait Maqdis in Jerusalem), then tethered it to the ring used by the prophets.I ENTERED THE MOSQUE AND PRAYED TWO RAK\'AHS IN IT, and then came out and Gabriel brought me a vessel of wine and a vessel of milk. I chose the milk, and Gabriel said: You have chosen the natural thing. Then he took me to heaven ..

Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 2, Book 21, Number 281:

........ Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, \"Do not set out on a journey except for THREE Mosques i.e. Al-Masjid-Al-Haram, the Mosque of Allah\'s Apostle, and the Mosque of Al-Aqsa, (Mosque of Jerusalem).\" .

Posted 4 years ago on 29 Feb 2008 22:32 #
peterpan773
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@yk
you wrote

bro it is possible to scientifically explain the miracle of isra and miraj. The first scientific clue is that it is mentioned that when Prophet Mohammad pbuh started on this journey his bed was warm and the lock on his door was swinging and when he returned they were still in this condition as he had left them. Time had stood still…………

Considering that it would take the light (fastest thing in the universe) 30 billion years to the outskirts of the known universe, and considering that wings don’t serve beyond the atmosphere of the Earth, such trip performed on the back of a horse with wings in one night is just stuff of the fables.

If Prophet Muhammad traveled on a winged Horse in one night to get to heaven then the heaven must be a physical place close to Earth. You cannot travel out side the Earth’s atmosphere with wings. Wings will only take you where there is air. With so many mapping, air travels satellite photos why we haven’t found this heaven? If heaven is not a physical place why Prophet Muhammad needed the winged Horse. Horse was the fastest mode of transportation in the 7th century.You put on wings and you could fly up.These people could not imagine aircraft etc.etc.This whole story is so naive that it is mind boggling. But faith blinds. If someone said a similar story about someone else, no Muslim would believe it.

Posted 4 years ago on 29 Feb 2008 22:41 #
yk
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@peter
Now you aare mocking believers of all faiths, and not declaring your own. I am actually amused by your arguments which are nothing but brimming on the surface of philosophy. Declare your faith first, I am a muslim!! I am proud of it. Now your turn. You can be assured noone will mock your faith here.

I see that you are repeating the same mistake of translating Masjid as a building. It could be anything, only a ground will suffice and if a structure did exist well and good. But it is possible for Allah to put up a structure for His beloved Prophet for one night..is it not possible for God to do something like that?? But thaat didnt happen, for there was a temple there and the place where he prayed, and he described it to the nonbelievers, and they were satisfied of his knowledge of the place.

I have a question for you, since you are hiding your faith, Have you seen God?? Met him? Touched Him? Talked to him?? You can only testify to something\'s existance when you have seen it, touched it. Then what is this?? Are you saying something exists, an entity of the magnanimity of Allah and you havent even seen it or what??

Lets start here for I think you need to undestand the basics fof physics first, which were incidentally laid down by muslims, to move on to understand the curvature of the universe.

Posted 4 years ago on 01 Mar 2008 0:06 #
peterpan773
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@Letsdoit

You wrote
......Now come to Book of Genesis which describes the history of this place.

@Letsdoit

You wrote
......Now come to Book of Genesis which describes the history of this place.

Prophet Ibrahim after establishing the place of worship in Makkah came back to Jerusalem ....

I think you have not read the Bible.Plz cite me the verses from the book of Genesis.
I wonder why Muslims rely so much on Biblical history. This Book is full of folklore and legends. Very little to do with actual history.

.There is no historical evidence for the assertion that Abraham or Ishmael was ever in Mecca.
Abraham according to the Bible, was from Ur which is in modern Iraq. and according to the Bible Ismael settled in Paran and married an Egyptian from whom he had twelve sons: Genesis 21:13-21

Hadith does not agree with the biblical record at all. The Hadith claims that after settling in Mecca Ismael married twice, and both of his wives were of Arab descent: (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 583)

Western Scolarship doubts if Abraham ever existed. Even Moses for that matter.

According to Muslim tradition Kaaba is first building on the earth,and was built by Adam and then rebuilt by Abraham .It it a house of God.
Why Muslims prayed towards Jerusalem ????
In Madina Muslims prayed towards Jerusalem for 16/17 months WHY??????
Why Masjid e Aqsa is Qibla Awal ?? Kaaba should have been Qibla Awal if it is indeed God\'s house and Adam was instructed to build it.

Posted 4 years ago on 01 Mar 2008 0:27 #