Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
I want to know everyone's understanding, opinion on;
(1) What is the difference between sarcasm and ego ?
(2) Do people of Pakistan understand this difference between sarcasm and ego ?
(3) Do people of Pakistan 'understand' that having sarcasm is good, is 'legal' and having 'ego' on the other hand is 'non-productive/destructive' and (can or) should be noted as 'illegal' ?
Ego is self-love pushed to an extreme. It's like standing in front of a mirror and preening: I'm the best. Its best companion is vanity. And its final goal is selfishness.
Sarcasm, on the other hand, is simply a figure of speech. At times it tends to be unkind. Then it is not helpful. At times, however, it's most to the point and helps to snap open people's eyes to a truth that had escaped them so far. All a question of whom one uses it with.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
As I know sarcasm is never supposed to be kind. It is always to be unkind. Yet, its different from 'ego' or 'ego satisfaction'.
Sarcasm is a 'constructive' stuff, where-as 'ego' is 'destructive'.
Yasser6
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Plase buy a dictionery.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Yasser6: Dictionary is a 'listing' of descriptions of words of English.
Yet, does the dictionary 'provide' the 'assurance' that its reader will 'understand' what he's reading from it, especially non-native English speakers ? No, it doesn't.
P.S. The point is;
(1) 'life is not as 'simple' as you think it is'
(2) Never! 'underestimate', never 'discount' even the most tiniest idea, proposal, thing, matter, issue in life
(3) Human beings make big huge blunders (which decide fate of companies, corporations, govt. institutions, entire nation states, entire nations, entire Empires) because they don't understand the most tiny of concepts, ideas, etc etc
I have come to know this by looking at the history of human beings, of Muslims, of non-Muslims, of nations, of Empires, of nation states, of corporations, of businesses, of different political, social, financial, judicial systems, etc etc.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Yasser6: My point in starting this thread is to discuss, to 'educate', to 'improve' people of Pakistan, especially Muslims, our 'understanding' of;
(1) 'Sarcasm'
(2) 'Ego'
In 99.99% of the cases, people of Pakistan confuse 'sarcasm' with 'ego' (or ego satisfaction). Look around you. Notice the discussions, the conversations that people are having. I'v noticed, many people resort to 'ego' (or ego satisfaction), in instances where they should rather wanted to apply 'sarcasm'.
This is a crippling! mistake for us not only as 'individuals', but also as a 'collective', as a nation, as a 'community', as 'groups' of people, as organizations, as collaborators, as businesses, etc etc.
spruce
Member
an ego concept was found before islam,where arab tribes were fighting on small things and killed hundered number of lives just for small matters between them due to illitrecy.
when Allah tallah sent Messenger to those illiterate nations to Accept Allah and his existence and his messengers and follow the path which is being guided to you.latter on some of then were guided by Allah and most of them supposed how we leave our traditions which is heridited by our ancestors and how we break the traditions which is not possible and their ego made them blind and they used to start wars with messengers's of Allah. they got destroyed but never quit their ego.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Same is the case with people of Pakistan.
Today, there are some within our ranks, who have locked horns in a fight of 'power' with ALLAH ALMIGHTY thinking they will succeed at it.
spruce
Member
@HarisKhan
For me, sarcasm is a boost to the Ego. This is the kind of people that likes to feel good in front of others by putting others down.
while Sarcasm is the weapon of choice for those who are not centered themselves. They will bring themselves up by bringing you down both publicly and privately. You are smart to have recognized that before it was too late.
for me i like this topic to be discussed because everday life we are facing such mental sick people who possesses these qualities.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Irshad: That's not sarcasm. What your describing is ego.
You'r confusing sarcasm with ego. Sarcasm has nothing to do with 'ego' (or ego satisfaction).
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Sarcasm = 'constructive' 'criticism', in order to help others 'improve'.
It can be in shape of 'demonstrating' through a self example for encouraging others to 'improve'.
Once the 'aspect of 'improvement' is taken out, then that sarcasm is no longer sarcasm. Then it becomes worthless nonsense.
ego = bash others for whatever reason. It is not in the pursuit of 'betterment', 'improvement'. It is non-productive, non-constructive stuff.
spruce
Member
@HK
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH
Sarcasm is insecurity.
Sarcasm comes of fear; spite, jealousy…
It goes alone but it wants to eat what it cannot be; it wants to hurt, and loves to draw reaction; be attentive to it, and smile, and leave it.
There are better ways of speaking the truth…
Sarcasm comes when
least expected
and impinges on one’s own
sense of self;
turn the sarcasm round
like looking at a curious shell found on the beach
and look for the positive, look for a suggestion
look for what may be reasonable
and address it and move on…no need for hurt for that is the birth of sarcasm…
just leave the shell where it belongs.
Look at what may be reasonable.
Sarcasm comes of ego: the sense that I know better than you; the sense that I never make a mistake, of a false sense of perfection – and a deep desire to show the other how right one is…
No, I do not agree. Sarcasm in itself is a very useful verbal tool. Like irony. Like humour. It shakes people up. The only art in its use is who you aim it at. If you pick on the right person, you wake them up. Pick on the wrong person, you put his or her back up or they break down in tears.
The ego, my friends, is a much subtler manifestation. It is with us twenty-four hours a day and is a lifelong fight. It's that small voice within us which tells us constantly to look to our own interests. Which feeds our sense of self-importance the livelong day. Thank God, we also have the lessons of submission we've learnt to counter that insidious temptation to believe the world starts and ends with our own puny selves.
ajhons
Member
This is what I have from Webseter
Sarcasm:
sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain.
Mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual
Ego:
The self especially as contrasted with another self or the world.
Please excuse my naive approach of the matter but I think that both the words depict negative notion.My understand for Sarcasm is being Sarcastic and for ego its "Takabbur"(sorry couldn'y recall the proper english word for this word, MG please help me here).
But its really intresting debate and whatever above is written so far is really a great learning
Haris Brother Lately I read that you passe some certification exams.A lot of Congrats.Sorry I was in hurry then and didn't express all my love and best wishes for you.My Allah give you all the Good and sucess in your future endeavors
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@ajhons: Thank you! brother.
I started this thread to learn the difference myself.
ajhons, Regarding "takkabur", the dictionary informs one the following meanings apply: Pride, Haughtiness, Arrogance, Insolence, Loftiness. I myself wonder whether the word Hubris of Greek origin, but much used in English is not perhaps the best term of all. Hubris is that kind of a pride that even the Greek Gods could not tolerate it and they hurled down punishment on such a human being. Hubris perfectly designates an over-inflated ego.
Takkabur has its roots/derived from Arabic. Kabeer, etc. Iblees fell victim to takkabur! A false sense of greatness. Arrogance is much closer in definition.
spruce
Member
Walk not with sarcasm; it hurts the hearer and it hurts the originator – for the one who is sarcastic goes deeper and deeper into the land of negative thoughts…and into the shadows of misery…
Sarcasm is tinged with emotion
and therefore one cannot explore logically;
sarcasm detracts from clarity.The learned too can be sarcastic but that does not make sarcasm right;
the witty too can be sarcastic but that does not make it funny –
for no word is ever right that is not spoken to heal,
or to show the possible or to move forward;for all words
that hurt are unworthy of the wise…
If you walk in peace and sarcasm crosses your path, smile; smile as you would if any gentle being or creature crossed your path; and if you can offer a word of peace, do so – otherwise a gentle bow or noble silence is the best signal that you are continuing on your walk…
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Which of 'ego' or 'sarcasm' can be 'equated' to 'arrogance' (takabbur) ?
One word answer: Ego.
gv
Member
Aitchison college teaching standards appear to have seriously fallen in the last 20 years..
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@gv: I wasn't in Aitchison for most of the last 20 years.
The point was to make 'people' other than answer this question.
Why ? To bring them to 'think on', 'ponder on' this, to bring people to 'this' 'realization', be them educated or otherwise.
Common! .. you'r better than this :|
gv
Member
i was giving an example of 'sarcasm' :)
now if i were being egotistical i would say i am the smartest/greatest/ most wonderful guy in the room and i know more about history/politics/medicine/it (and english grammar and usage) than every one put together .
hope that helps...
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