gv
Member
There appears to be some confusion amongst the participants of this forum pertaining to the exact nature of the Tehreek - e-Taliban Pakistan.
Are they:
a) Misguided and poorly educated individuals who believe they are fighting for the greater good of Islam in order to establish a true islamic state in the region
b)Foreign funded non muslims masquerading as islamist terrorists in order to force the disintegration of the Pakistani state ?
Please enlighten me ?
expakistani
Member
all above,,,,,
miss guided, jahli, non certified madarasa graduates and half cooked Muslims funded by foreign agencies
(once used to get training by our own ISI)
sasherwani
Members
A)
netengr
blocked
They are fanatic ,religiously motivated ,misguided animals want to make the world a jungle
Ghareeb
Old-chechen
hey NATO Engineer,
Who are you calling animals? You know who are worst than animals? All animals go to heaven, they are masoom. But not the one who are worst than animals. Do you know that? Read Quran and you will find out.
Also the jungle is lot better than the concrete jungle you live in.
zjshami
Member
What I understand Tehreek-e-Taliban was planted, promoted and patronized to defame Islam and the Image of Islam.
They have succeeded to achieve their objectives and goal to a greater extent.
Unfortunately Muslims throughout the World are loosing the status of respect and are seen as suspicious and guilty.
How a sincere Muslim and lover of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) could be so brutal, lethal, killer and butcher like these horrible and ugly figures?
It is beyond my vision to accept that Non Islamic and unethical actions could be justified to establish an 'Islamic' System of Government?
Jihad is to fight against a professional Military for a noble and positive motives for the humanity.
Fasad is to disturb the peaceful life of the innocent civilians through terror, threats, and panic.
Ghareeb
Old-chechen
"Jihad is to fight against a professional Military for a noble and positive motives for the humanity."
Do you then agree that the fight in Afghanistan is Jihad?
I know your answer. You will say America is fighting for "noble cause" and hence Jihad against Taliban animals. Is America fighting Jihad as per your warped logic? I know you have left Pakistan, God knows where. Believe it or not the spread of Islam has accelerated 100 fold after the "terror" attacks of 9/11. Also by silent spectator and helping American criminal illegal wars you are also dripping your hand with blood of innocents.
amin1924
member
I think they are just one of the symptoms of problem, not actual problem. Focus on bigger picture and try to diagnose actual problem, not symptom.
gv
Member
@ghareeb
from your comment above i would assume that you believe that they are actually fighting correctly in the name of islam?
is that correct or am i mistaken?
gv
Member
@jj
you can open another thread to discuss the actual cause.. this thread is about the nature of the TTP and how the public views them...
amin1924
member
I have already relayed my thoughts and am not interested in opening another thread.
Thx
Ghareeb
Old-chechen
gv, You may not believe now under the constant media manipulation but over the time you will begin to accept them as freedom fighters. Same for Afghanistan when Taliban were written off as bunch of savages and after 8 years even mainstream media like New York times has started realizing the truth and praising Taliban.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/world/asia/11mullah.html?_r=3&hp=&pagewanted=all
Mullah Omar: He’s staged one of the most remarkable military comebacks in modern history.
Please read comments on the article in the link and see how lot of readers are portraying Taliban as freedom fighters compared unfortunately to lot of Muslims who call them terrorists. See how this guy Nick wrote below. He is 100% correct.
Nick
NYC, USA
NYtime Quote: "Afghans cheered the return of girls’ education, music and ordinary pleasures outlawed by the grim fundamentalist government."
Girls always had an education under Taliban rule. They just outlawed it when they were invaded out of fear of coalition forces bombing these schools. They felt that girls, who are regarded higher in status as boys, would be more protected at home then in a school building which is more susceptible to being targeted by coalition forces. Let’s not forget how many bombs already were responsible for hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. Cheney had said there was no military target to bomb. The whole country was bombed to dust by carpet bombs using B-52’s and other WMD’s. Why does the NYT keep spinning these words around?
zia m
Member
They are simple minded people manipulated by religion as well as neo-imperialists.
gv
Member
@ghareeb
so by default are they justified in carrying out the bombings in Islamabad, Peshawar and Lahore?
Ghareeb
Old-chechen
zia, They tried to manipulate the simple minded people but it backfired. The will to take on the super powers of the day was not out of manipulation by anyone but their unshakable belief in tenets of Islam. Their strict adherance to Islamic belief was instrumental in making that country a graveyard of empires.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
I want an independent third party to conduct an impartial investigation into the matter.
I dismiss MOST of the given definitions or descriptions, as they are FALSE.
They only reveal the prejudice of the person writing the statement(s).
If anyone is against them, they should first look into their own government's actions before questioning them.
Also, they should look at OTHER nationalist movements, who exhibit the EXACT SAME qualities, yet they enjoy impunity from any reaction by Pak Govt. / Army. Why ? Because US hasn't ordered Pak Govt. / Army to counter the rest.
gv
Member
@haris
well good luck arranging your impartial third party. in the meanwhile if you'd just leave us poor misguided prejudiced souls alone to figure out what the normal people on pkp think about the TTP......
zjshami
Member
The Agencies should also watch and monitor the Media and Discussion Forums to detect the supporters and promoters of this Brutal Movement.
The persons having soft corner for Tahreek-e-Taliban, could help to detect and trace the hidden Cells within community of Pakistan.
To behave and perform like a thief to catch a thief is totally against the teachings of Islam.
gv
Member
@ghareeb
still waiting for your response?
linkwheel
Member
Bunch of Psycho's,taking Revenge from America by Killing Pakistani's and Calling it JIHAD.
netengr
blocked
@Ghareeb
Mullah umer is one eye dajjal
Ghareeb
Old-chechen
The timing of bombings before Waziristan offensive and now suits Uncle Sam the most. Simpletons like you ,Shami and others are not even counted in their master game plan. You are all expendable.
Shami, Your attempt and scare mongering to silence the truth of the oppressed has failed in Pakistan and will fail in forums. You thought you will have picnic bashing the truth seekers. What agencies are you talking about? They will take information from you but after that will dump you. Or ask you to join their forces fighting in the so called war on terror. Are you ready?
netengr
blocked
Taliban's are followers for Changez khan ,jangli janwer ,they know nothing but killings.
Talibans are Wajibul Qatil by Sharia law .
zjshami
Member
'truth seekers' are killing the innocents.
What 'iron' would do, where the 'Gold' rusts
mujh ko to sikhai hai afrang ne zindeeqi
iss daour ke mulla hain kyoon nang-i-muslamani?
Ghareeb
Old-chechen
Sure, they know how to kill NATO Engineers and their supporters that occupied their country. NATO engineer talking Shariah?
amin1924
member
We have rats scurrying around on this forum who are working on payroll.
amin1924
member
Nato engineer is an indian who becomes very active during these events to promote Indian agenda.
gv
Member
key reason for rise of taliban?
zjshami
Member
I noticed where some members turn the debate to personal identifications when they are cornered on arguments.
They start probing into profession, nationality and other unnecessary information of the poster.
Discuss what has been posted without bothering who posted.
I would request the respectable Moderators to take a note of such attitude and should discourage this trend.
shahzad1924
member
@gv
"Please enlighten me ?"
why exactly?
Hakimullah new leader of Pakistan
Ghareeb
Old-chechen
Don't have to open that worthless link. He is citizen of your "motherland". You talk and win over if you have a better ideology or just surrender. Whatever, he will be better than 10% that has sold pak country to napaks.
pictures of The work of the taliban in Islamc university.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/10/091020_isl_uni_balst_pics_zee.shtml
Ghareeb
Old-chechen
Stop this BBC propoganda. No one knows who did that. OK
Why does BBC not show the photographs of 2 truckloads of dozens of innocent women and children blasted into oblivion by missiles fired from air near Makeen as reported in agencies yesterday.
gv
Member
@shahzad
i have my opinions and beliefs as to the nature of the TTP which i concede are just that 'opinions' based on my analysis and conversations with others on the ground.
i would like to discern what is the majority opinion on the exact nature of the TTP..
at the end of the day pkp is a microcosm of pakistani middle class society.. i.e. fairly representative of actual views on the ground..
latentry
Member
Ghareeb
If you lose your family member in suicide attacks will you still support these wankers your so called son of btch taliban
I pray to God your whole family dies in a suicide attack than ill see how you support these illetrate fkn TALIBANS
GHAREEB ppl like you should be hanged with all your family members
latentry
Member
GHREEB
I pray you lose all your family members in a suicide attack. You are **** a useless low life idiot
latentry gv
Please check your personal messages on the main site.
gv
Member
@lota
replied
Ghareeb
Old-chechen
I wouldn't mind losing family members or my own soul if the ultimate goal is to repel foreign neo colonialist invaders in 40 to 50 different uniforms who have gathered to plunder and loot the lands of Muslims supported by local traitors.
gv
Member
@ghareeb
that's quite a sad statement to hear from a fellow pakistani... we who are supposed to value our family above everything else... you learn something new everyday..
@gv,
i think ,its both A and B .
they are the orthodox who are less educated and brain washed by US and RAW agents to go for a suicidal bombing attack.
they have been trained and provided ammunition by US itself .
by doing that ...
US is successfully following the strategy of killing us by our own ppl ....
no US blood has been going waste but Pakistani blood on both ends .
amin1924
member
Beenai,
If you note above, you will see how a member name lota is forming a block on this forum. What is policy of forum on forming blocks like how lota is doing? lota cult.
@lota ,
stay away from personal communication amongst each other .
and STOP promoting groups and blocks .
gv
Member
@beenai,
i didn't realise it was pkp policy to forbid 'personal communication' amongst members. are we in primary school now?
However i agree with you that forming blocs etc is not helpful to the discussion forum.
@gv,
out of personal communication ,i mean that the kinda communication which has got nothing to do with the forum,or topic under discussed but purely a chit chat between the two members ...which is waste of time and energy for those visitors who are visiting the page.
gv
Member
@beenai
sorry i misunderstood you
point taken.
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