What should be relationship between india and Pakistan.

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What should be relationship between india and Pakistan.

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sochopakistani
Member

Like to ask the members about their vision about relationship with India? We have followed one policy of animosity for last 60 years and got nothing in fact lost so much.
Is this not time to bring change in military policy by 180 degree and go all out to bring relationship on track with India?
Please comment with substance...

Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 9:44 #
scandinavian
Member

I agree that currently and for a long time to come there is not a military solution to the Kashmir issue. It is in the interest of both nations to find a peaceful solution by involving the three parties i.e. Pakistan, Kashmiris and the Indians. This is the only win-win situation for all parts- otherwise the conflict can go on for another 1000 years and we will loose money and valuable human lives!

Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 9:47 #
scandinavian
Member

Btw: No MFN status for India, no transportation through Pakistan to Afghanistan until we start a genuine dialogue for peace!

Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 9:49 #
sochopakistani
Member

what existing policy of proxy wars has given to Pakistan? I want members to come with some substance,mere demand and keep demanding will not work.......World is not fair and we our self are not too.

Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 10:11 #
scandinavian
Member

As long as Pakistan is split inside and is weak and keep one weakening itself we cannot bring India on the negotiating table. We need stabilize ourselves and have a competent leadership whom we as Pakistanis and the world can TRUST - until that happens...WAIT!

Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 13:01 #
sochopakistani
Member

Hope we survive before we stabilize... Success, prosperity,peace are not accidents. They need to be achieved using long term strategies....

Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 15:15 #
scandinavian
Member

"Success, prosperity,peace are not accidents. They need to be achieved using long term strategies...."

yes, and what does the rulers of status quo do? They make short term plans which benefit the sitting elite of corrupt politicians, so as long as they are making the decisions in Pakistan then forget about long term planning.

Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 15:18 #
sochopakistani
Member

Do you think politicians make foreign policy?, any way whats your view on the subject. Also PTI should clarify their stance on the subject.

Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 15:23 #
scandinavian
Member

Nope, I don't believe they make significant parts of the foreign policy, and there are several reasons for that.

1. They are content to have a lot of money to distribute among the awam...I mean only to that part of the awam which is in their own party.

2. As long as they stay in "power" they don't mind that the army run the foreign policy. Honestly speaking I would be very worried if people like Rehman Malik was allowed to run the foreign policy. It should be quite easy to find competent people who can run the foreign policy, but the political parties don't because they are not interested!

3. IF the politicians are sincere about democracy and towards Pakistan they should resign right away when the army stops them from performing THEIR duty.

Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 15:29 #
Mashal Rahat
Member

India can never be the well wisher of Pakistan..They will never come to serious dialouge untill PK comes in strong position to force them for it.

No Third Option for Kashmir.Its Part of Pakistan & we have to get it on any cost.

Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 15:57 #
siyalkotia
Member

@Mashal Rahat "India...They will never come to serious dialouge untill PK comes in strong position to force them for it."

You think PK can survive intact to see that day ?

@Mashal Rahat "No Third Option for Kashmir.Its Part of Pakistan & we have to get it on any cost"

I agree with you. But let us first get Flour, sugar, medicine and electricity for our people. Let us be self sufficient so we don't have to beg and perform Mujra for those we beg from and don't have sell our citizen for money. Let us build some basic character that we can have one or two leaders who can keep all the loot in PK banks and not Foreign banks. Last time we tried to get Kashmir, we lost half the country and our 90,000 brave Muslim Soldiers srrendered to chicken India. And that by the way is The Biggest Surrender in the history of the world.

Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 21:21 #
sochopakistani
Member

Can PTI reps light on their policy towards India, Iran, Afghanistan, America,Saudi arabia.... or these are too serious issues to consider??

Posted 7 months ago on 16 Oct 2011 19:57 #
sochopakistani
Member

Have my PTI bros thought about foreign policy? Its too serious or complicated issue.

Posted 7 months ago on 17 Oct 2011 16:23 #
spruce
Member

Posted 7 months ago on 17 Oct 2011 18:56 #
Dusky
Member

@Irshad: Dude, what happen lately? You were the stalwart of PPP and the leadership. What leads to change of heart. (This is an honest question, if you don't fell like answering here you can PM me).

Posted 7 months ago on 17 Oct 2011 19:04 #
spruce
Member

my answer is that all the democratic people have right to say good for right actions and awful for wrong actions to any government, party.so the case of mine that I love or support to ppp but my party has a great thing that they accept criticism from their workers that is good thing. If you not point on faults to nay one's mistakes how he knows he is doing erroneous.

Posted 7 months ago on 17 Oct 2011 19:29 #
Dusky
Member

Good on ya Irshad.

Posted 7 months ago on 17 Oct 2011 19:37 #
spruce
Member

Posted 7 months ago on 17 Oct 2011 19:46 #
spruce
Member

nice job!!indeed

Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 5:40 #
toamin
member

بات سادہ سی ہے، کشمیر کو پاکستان کا حصہ مان لیا جائے اور قصہ ختم

پاکستان اور ہندوستان کا رشتہ صرف کشمیر کی آزادی پر ہی ہونا چاہیے باقی سب کچھ کی ثانوی حیثیت ہے

Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 14:18 #
sochopakistani
Member

@Irshad, Please post according to topic...

@Salam, Is this PTI policy or your opinion. What about other countries..

Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 18:55 #
spruce
Member

@salam
I am agreed with u! Pakistan be supposed to negotiate to resolve Kashmir issue if India refuse to negotiate on this substance then there is no peace and no relation with India.
The matter of concentration is that if Pakistan taking stance on Kashmir issue then there are supporter for India in Karachi so called a political party which create violation to divert the attention from Kashmir issue, this is what India playing a dirty game on the matter of Kashmir and sending a message that if you will utter on Kashmir issue then we have supporter in karachi, balouchistan to destroy peace of Pakistan.
First of all we need to illuminate supporters of India in Pakistan then we should talk about Kashmir issue otherwise our own people are enemy of Pakistan in the form of Indian agents who eat and benefit form Pakistan but working for enemy of Pakistan.

Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 19:05 #
Dusky
Member

@Salam: "بات سادہ سی ہے، کشمیر کو پاکستان کا حصہ مان لیا جائے اور قصہ ختم

پاکستان اور ہندوستان کا رشتہ صرف کشمیر کی آزادی پر ہی ہونا چاہیے باقی سب کچھ کی ثانوی حیثیت ہے"

Salam Bhai, why not third option?
Let the Kashmirs decide if they want to live with Pakistan, India or want to go independent?

Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 19:20 #
mangoman
Blocked

Kashmiris want to live with Pakistan...have my words for it.

Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 19:22 #
sochopakistani
Member

@Irshad, Pakistan dont need enemy in presence of mindset that you have. Every word that you utter is full of hatret and dont tolerate difference of opinion.
In my previous thread you mentioned that World called Pakistan terrorist coz we are muslims.... muslim by what mouth or by character. A sper hadith, a liar spread information without confirmation while for you most authenticate source of information is one news paper which is run by similar hatret mindset.

Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 19:33 #
sochopakistani
Member

@Irshad, Although you have sick mentality and arguing sensibility is difficult with you however I am willing to argue with facts and figures if they mean anything for you.

Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 19:35 #
sochopakistani
Member

@Irshad, You claimed to be muslim and posting edited pictures of a muslim girl shame on you. Is this muslim character that world call you terorrist.........shame on you.

Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 19:37 #
Dusky
Member

ارشاد بھائی جواب دو ، تصویر کا حساب دو

Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 19:51 #
spruce
Member

@sochopakistani

It seems that I have put my feet at your tail which is aching for you but it is truth and history proved that since formation of MQM enemies are using them to harm Pakistan, believe me or not just rewind the history and Kashmir issues then you will find a lot conflicts in Karachi not because of rights of muhajirs being violated but voice of India and support for India always elevated to harm the Pakistan and India always used their agents to make Pakistan busy in internal conflicts.

Still any one have doubt then challenge from my side to sochopakistani that just remember any issue near future by any government regarding Kashmir matter you will find too much blood in Karachi streets will be gifted by Indian, RAW agents.

Regarding the above pic yes Pakistan has left with no choices but dancing at the tune of their masters.

Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 2:03 #
karim
Member

@Irshad

What do you expect from a party

a) Whose leader is a British national and..
b) That has indian nationals as its office bearers

Will they work for Pakistan or their paymasters?

Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 7:03 #
sochopakistani
Member

@Irshad, the way u write shows ur education,family background and surrounding where u were born and brought up hence ur crap does not demand answers.
However you must confess ur alliance with Lashker Tyyaba or Al Qaeda coz ur views represent them still u did not explain displaying fake picture of a muslim girl dancing in front of Obama? What is this...

Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 15:25 #
sochopakistani
Member

@Karim,
Fascist behavior like urs has already halved Pakistan and Baluchistan is all set to be separated.
You continue this behavior and rest of Pakistan too will be broken. You will call your "kunwa" Pakistan and keep circulating it.

Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 15:30 #
spruce
Member

@sochopakistani

i can feel your emotions the way you have selected the topic which shows how you are missing your remaining relatives left in india but we are so sorry that we can not help you because kashmiri people are in majority and they are suffering and your relatives are enjoying luxury life in india so that you can go and visit them easily but kashmiri people are suffering alot please your topic should be pakistan and india relations based on kashmir issue.

Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 15:53 #
sochopakistani
Member

@Irshad, No arguement about Kashmir. With God willing Kashmir will become Pakistan. How this will help ur sick mentality. When ur parents were sleeping, Muslims of India (hope ur grand pa was Indian)were struggling for independent Muslim state.
As sick people had nothing to sacrifice, they manage to break the country. However, patriotic Pakistani will not allow agents of Zion to further pieces the country.

Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 16:09 #
karim
Member

@sochohindustani

Why does it always the MQMians (blind followers & hamdards both) that feel so much euphoric about the break up of Pakistan? Isn't it because they have a vested interest in the break up of Pakistan?

Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 7:24 #
karim
Member

http://www.opinion-maker.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/altaf-hussain-passport-photo.jpg

How can a foreign national be the leader of a political party in Pakistan? Isn't there any law that prohibit foreign nationals from holding any political position in Pakistan?

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On a lighter note just see how much Altaf loves his indian roots:

http://alaiwah.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/kk.jpg

Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 7:28 #
sochopakistani
Member

@Karim, either you and your sick mindset are direct agent or un-knowingly serving for the agenda of hindus and zion to break Pakistan. You keep spreading hatred against people who are here to protect the country.
If more people adapt to your behavior, ultimate consequence would be breakup (God forbid) of Pakistan and then your "Khadim Ala" would be importing from diapers to onion from Wahga border.
My request to you and same mindset people pls pls stop hating to patriotic people of khi and dialogue with them to understand them.....

Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 17:21 #
sochopakistani
Member

@Irshad, u dint reply why do Punjabi Taliban kill innocent people in mosques,churches,bazars,funerals. Why your panchayat orders to marry 5 yrs old girls to 50 yrs old man. Why crazy mob kills humen beings and nobody stops? Why you are called ultimate Pendus...

Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 17:25 #
junaid
Member

بات سادہ سی ہے، کشمیر کو پاکستان کا حصہ مان لیا جائے اور قصہ ختم

پاکستان اور ہندوستان کا رشتہ صرف کشمیر کی آزادی پر ہی ہونا چاہیے باقی سب کچھ کی ثانوی حیثیت ہے

/quote

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 8:46 #
shriq
Member

The base at which we Muslims of sub-continent demanded for a separate country is "two nation theory". Our elders and leaders felt that we can not live with the Maha Bharat mentality. We experienced their hate at the time of creation of Pakistan. We can feel their hate even now. Their is a great ravine between us and this is probably there to stay.
Although I would put this fact here that this hate is eating away our energies (defense budget etc). We could concentrate on our people's development. But now we are spending a lot on nurturing the hate that we have for each other. There is lack of trust between two nations. If it can end somehow then a non-hostile relation can be beneficial for both of our countries. I said non-hostile, I still dont believe they can be our FRIENDS. Not at all!

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 11:14 #
sochopakistani
Member

@Raavi, Agreed with you. Fact remains that you can choose friends but not neighbors. Past 60 years policy of hatred has given us nothing. India being big country has capability to survive our animosity however, being smaller player, we loose everything from geography to honor,failure to realize our potentials to nurturing snake in our backyard expecting them to bite neighbours. We need to question our very basic policy of being india centric.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 20:50 #
sochopakistani
Member

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 20:58 #