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Wheel-jam strike in Hazara over NWFP’s renaming

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ali-pk
Member

Wheel-jam strike in Hazara over NWFP’s renaming:

LAHORE: Demonstrations against the proposed renaming of the NWFP as Khyber-Pakhtoonkhwa continued in Hazara on Wednesday, forcing a complete wheel-jam strike in the region, a private TV channel reported. The wheel-jam strike was observed on an appeal by the Hazara Province Movement in various parts of the division, including Abbotabad, Mansehra and Havelian. The protesters placed burning tyres on the Karakoram Highway, blocking it for traffic for hours. Talking to reporters in Islamabad, Pakistan Muslim League (like-minded group) leader Salim Saifullah announced support for the ongoing protest in Hazara and demanded the government conduct a referendum on the issue. He said his group condemned the non-representation of women and minorities in the constitutional reforms committee. To a question regarding his group’s meeting with former president Pervez Musharraf in Dubai, he said such meetings were insignificant. daily times monitor

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010%5C04%5C08%5Cstory_8-4-2010_pg7_6

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 6:24 #
LalBichoo
Blocked

In my opinion, there's no harm in creating a Hazara province consisting of areas where Hazaras in majority !

Same should be done in Punjab by creating Saraiki and Pothari provinces !

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 6:27 #
haider3
member

Perhaps we should take our inspiration from the ex-Soviet Union and declare ourselves officially dead. No more Pakistan. Just hundreds of little bits of land here and there, proudly declaring themselves independent and free. Thereafter, all problems will find a natural solution.

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 8:35 #
lota6177
Members

Get 2/3 majority in parliment and do what you like. I am all for it.

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 8:47 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Looks like people of NWFP don't accept the name that ANP, PML-N, PPP, others, etc etc want to set for NWFP.

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 8:51 #
LalBichoo
Blocked

Mirza Sb,

Creation of more provinces will weaken Pakistani federation ???
I don't think so, Sir !
India has recently (a few years back) created some new provinces, why can't we do the same in Pakistan ???

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 8:54 #
LalBichoo
Blocked

"""Looks like people of NWFP don't accept the name that ANP, PML-N, PPP, others, etc etc want to set for NWFP. """

>>>

Well news item under discussion refers to only Hazara Division which includes Abbotabad, Mansehra and Haripoor etc !
What about other divisions of NWFP, are people also protesting there ? No, they are in fact celeberating new name of their province !

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 8:57 #
haider3
member

Red, just one small additional piece of news to add to your posting above: India is even now in the process of setting up a new state:

December 10, 2009
A New State in India: Telangana
The biggest story in India this week appears to be the central government’s agreement to allow a new state to be carved out of Andhra Pradesh, called Telangana. The new state will include the tech-powerhouse city of Hyderabad, and will be predominantly Telugu-speaking. One news article I read put the estimated population of the new state at 35 million people.

Whether India is the right model for the people of Pakistan is something yet to be proved.

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 9:16 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

New name of NWFP is causing so much instability,but the rubber stamp Parliament is a slave of most Corrupted dictator of world Mr.Zardari and most foolish Dicatator of Pakistan Mr.Nawaz Shareef.

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 13:20 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

India is creating state within a state ?

I wonder if that will give Javed Sheikh sb. 'pait main marhorh' (in urdu).

:D

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 13:25 #
LalBichoo
Blocked

hariskhan,

"""I wonder if that will give Javed Sheikh sb. 'pait main marhorh' (in urdu)."""

>>>

I understand you were banned twice recently for violation of COC !!!!

==============

"""India is creating state within a state ?"""

>>>

India is a Federation consisting of several states (like Uter Pradesh, , Bihar and Telangana ) just like USA !

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 13:36 #
iqbaladnan
Member

People did not understand the case of Hazara before nor they are trying to do it now. It is an issue of great deficit of trust. ANP is not willing to identify Hazara people, how come it can give them fair share of wealth to these people.
As an example, the culture and heritage page of NWFP government does not recognize that there exists a langugae called hindku in the province (the language of hazara div, old peshawar and kohat people). The word "hazara" appears only once in a very lengthy article which should actually be titled as evolution of pashto language.

So unless this deficit is removed, things are going to get worse.

Link of article
http://www.nwfp.gov.pk/nwfpgov/aboutus/Culture-Hertiage.php

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 13:45 #
javedsheikh
Members

My dear Harisskhan,
"I wonder if that will give Javed Sheikh sb. 'pait main marhorh' (in urdu)."

I don't mind but let me ask is that sentence related to the theme of debate where I am not a participant even?

I guess a person of your 'high level Philosophy' who mostly boast of being a champion of the Justice, would be prudent enough to understand why most of the members hate you?

You are damaging your cause and mission by yourself.
This Forum is no more an Elementary School of your kind.
Have a nice day.

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 14:04 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

No, thats a joke on your false sensitivity towards a false notion i.e., 'a state within a state'.

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 14:06 #
LalBichoo
Blocked

@ Admin / Modertors

Pls take action against hariskhan for violating COC !!!

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 14:39 #
haider3
member

Admin/Moderators, Please pay no heed. Nothing untoward has happened. Just a misunderstanding or two. For heaven's sake. Is this any way for adults to behave? Do we want to kill this blog or what?

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 14:47 #
SufiSoul
Member

LALBICHOO,

At least you should never come up with such,champion of decency status....
YOU should remeber ur attitude towards others,as i mentioned in some previous posts...

Haris Khan,

Yara zara hath hola rakho...

Actually some people take edge of such statements and than starts missbehaving like,bichoo is the best example.....

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 14:53 #
supercreature
Member

People who does not like the new name given my respected President Zardari are extremist and Talaban. They must be dealth with Drone attacks.

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 15:02 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@SufiSoul: Brother, members on this forum ridicule, make jokes, talk against MULLAHs, openly. They openly do the same against all Muslims, who are loyal to ALLAH ALMIGHTY.

Does the administration staff here do anything to stop them from it ?

This is like saying, I should accept others to ridicule my people i.e., Muslims, where-as all we should do is bear it ?

Somehow, that strategy doesn't strike me as 'prudent'.

P.S. This website/forum is for politics of a Muslim! country/nation. The interests of Muslims take precedence over everything! on this website/forum.

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 15:15 #
Anti Pakistan
Member

قرض کی پیتے تھے مے اور کہتے تھے ھاں
رنگ لائی گی فاکہ مستی ایک دیں

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 15:27 #
SufiSoul
Member

Haris Khan,

This is Agreed.
But if you go through the developments at their side,than it is very clear that they have broken images of them in their hands..
The respect the honour and intellect is no more connected with them..
No one would like to attach themselves with them. for example.
If i am saying to you something here in front of all the rest of the members it shows that you have a firm bases over which you have developed your image..

This is actually the {REWARD} we should keep in mind..

Fazool,bogus ideas,missguiding tactics never earn the honour here like you have, due to sound logical bases..

Did you noticed here at the forum the gradual down fall of many of the mebers due to their baseless views and opinions..

And have you notice the supremecy of strong logical opinions..????

The tactics used(by some members) to get a person banned by the moderators is actually the (SHOUT) that they got dissappear due to shallow/stuffed wisdom and this INFERIORITY COMPLEX guided them to use such tactics against others having superior ideaology.....

We have already in win win situation here so just keep in mind this situation for future and engage with positive discussion..

Also try to read between the lines what this forum reflects about each and every members status over here.....

I hope you will be agreed at this......

have a nice day

Thanx

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 16:02 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@SufiSoul: I will improve myself, INSHALLAH.

I thank! you! for guidance.

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 16:09 #
SufiSoul
Member

My pleasure Dear......

:)

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 16:10 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

Quote@Lalbichho
In my opinion, there's no harm in creating a Hazara province consisting of areas where Hazaras in majority !

Same should be done in Punjab by creating Saraiki and Pothari provinces !

TOTALLY AGREE

More provinces is the key for solution!!!!!!!

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 16:19 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

@Supercreature..
I hope, that you also agree to DRONE all the Punjabi Talibaan and Clean shaved Talibaan in Karachi.... We can invite the US Army to actually come and take over completely so that you are SAFE! We can deal with USA later by begging Pushtuns to fight against americans in the name of JIHAD!!!!

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 16:22 #
aftab arif
Member

@ Khan_Sahib

I have followed Supercreature's past comments and i think he was being sarcastic.

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 16:31 #
Anonymous

Imagine the province of Hazara and the distribution of NFC award in this province you will came to know that they will get the tiniest share of budget of Pakistan which wont be enough to solve their problems and grievances so I dont think its a good idea according to criteria which Pakistan follows for provincial rights....

I dont think this is good alternative I think the best alternative is that their should be division of all provinces based on population and size area so that NFC award should be delivered equally in all parts of Pakistan...

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 16:31 #
javedsheikh
Members

Dear Khan Sahib,
I agree to the idea of creating more administrative units.

There was a time when whole of India-Pak Sub-Continent had 9-11 Provinces and with the growth of population, economic and social requirements, there are more than 30 provinces.

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 16:38 #
Anonymous

What are we trying to gain by more administrations in Pakistan based on population???Today Hazaras are shouting for province tomorrow they will shout for resources like Baluchistan so nothing will be solved....Why dont divide whole Pakistan in 10 units based on equality according to NFC award formula so that every Pakistani will get equal no. of resources based on their province and hold equal no. of representative in the parliament and in their assemblies to get rid of things like Theft by one province, injustice against smaller province and most especially nationalist movements based on ethnicity and other conflicts.....

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 16:51 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

JS SAHIB,
You are rite and if you remember, we did discuss this topic several months ago too...

http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/new-pakistan-reformschangessuggestions

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 16:53 #
tamaazkhan
Member

I don't understandt the concept that 1 unit is stronger while seperate administrative units are weaker.

@yaha
about the issue of hazara getting a small NFC award if they get their own province
It is not like they get a large share currently, their voice in the NFC award is not represented it is drowned in by NWFPs own (rightfully so demands)
At least in the NFC conferene the smaller administrative units will have their own voices, which they do not have currently

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 23:48 #
azipashtoon
Blocked

I dont know why these people are protesting , I bet if there is refredum then 80% of population will vote for name AFGHANIA ..
and any way Pukhtoonkhuwa is not only been celebrated by ANP but also by All Pashtoons , whether they were affliated with or not ANP .
Pashtoon have got identity now these terrorist of hazara who are burning tires and blocking should be prosecuted , they are creating instability in PashtoonKhuwa !!!!!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 0:05 #
azipashtoon
Blocked

hazara Terrorist should be prosecuted , these elements are just tring to destablise the Democratic atmosphere , they cannot be alowed to hijack the freedom of democracy !!!
They are Terrorist and they should be eliminated from peacful democratic society of PashtoonKhuwa , not hazara divison but these terrorist elements !!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 0:09 #
iqbaladnan
Member

@azipashtoon

Well! calling the most peaceful people in NWFP as terrorists just shows your venom and nothing else.

@tamazz
You are spot on. For example, the royalty of tarbela dam goes to NWFP govt. Fairly speaking, a major part of it should be spent on people of hazara. But that does not really happen.

Hazara div is the richest divsion of NWFP in terms of its resources but probably the most neglected as well (particularly in this government).

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 5:46 #
Anti Pakistan
Member

iqbaladnan

یار مجے نہیں پتا لیکن لوگوں سے میں نے سنا ہے

"ہزارہ مشکل گزارا "

What do u say about this

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 5:54 #
shriq
Member

1 - I see no harm in creating more provinces.

2 - Also provincial autonomy should be there.

3 - Provincial resources should be the right and property of the province people only.

But

4 - as someone put above that Hazara does not have resources of its own, so then if any province be in trouble then federal govt with the help of other provinces should reach for help of that province.

5 - Resources can be distributed (with the consent of the province) e.g. if Baluchistan has gas they should give to other provinces and they should be paid (in full) but export to other countries should be done only if the need of the country is fulfilled. On the same pattern, Sind and Punjab should give agricultural outputs (wheat and sugar) to other countries (Wheat export to Afganistan should be stopped).

6 - Federal govt should keep defence, currency, foreign affairs with it.

Mairai 6 nikat - Dont call me traitor...

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 7:13 #
Anonymous

Yes their is no harm in creating more provinces but dont you think dividing only two provinces is unfair for the people of those provinces which are divided????and as we have recently made consensus in burning issue like NFC award dont you think more problems will be created in its distribution????Pakistan is in no way in condition of discussing division of admin. units and redevelop them so this matter should be put at least 1year latter to check how strong this voice of division is their after one year and then based on the strength of demand of people after one year this should be decided.....but I dont think that this would entirely solve the problem infact this could increase the problem as their will be voice from Pakhtuns of Baluchistan start coming up for their union or for another division so lets give this problem a time and then decide what should be future alternative...

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 8:16 #
shriq
Member

yahya87,

We can live in one piece as well lol...

But if it satisfies my fellow pakistanis why not.

Koi nam se hi khush koi alaihda suba laikar khush.

No one thinking that people at helm of affairs are dividing them cleverly and they are not talking about the basic rights.

But no prob...

Lets have more provinces.....

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 8:20 #
Anonymous

@shriq

You mean one guy controlling 17 million people....No way this wont work here because this will cause more problems then solve them....

I am in favor of smaller province but not on ethnic basis like Sareiki and Hazara province I rather think that whole Pakistan should be divided in let say 10 administration units of same population, size and other criteria of NFC award so that the problem of distribution of resources, ethnicity, nationalism and even admin problem could be solved by all this...

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 8:28 #
iamsowise
Commenter

Yea aag ANP ki lagaee hoee hay.

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 8:32 #
azipashtoon
Blocked

@iqbal ..

well we thought hazara a small dvision of Pukhtoonkhuwa are peacefull . but now they are showing they are Terrorist .. they want to bring unrest in Puknotonkhuwa .

they should be eliminated and taught a lesson for their terrorsim aganist Democracy .

hazara Terrorist should be taught what is Democracy . they are tring to hijack a peacful Democratic Process .

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 10:32 #
azipashtoon
Blocked

@Niazi ,

Democratically the name is now Pukhtoonkhuwa , and we have to respect democracy , this is not stone age ok . So now you to live with it if u like it or NOT !!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 10:34 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

The peaceful way of resolving disputes is through the court of law.

The peaceful way of resolving this! dispute is also! through the court of law.

Yet, it is Govt. of Pakistan, who's! functionaries make every! effort to make! sure!, common man/people don't! get justice through the court of law.

When the common man/people don't have a civilized way of settling their disputes, what will be the result ?

Its obvious -> chaos, protests, infighting, etc etc.

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 10:42 #
gv
Member

@niazi

then you should also ask to change the names of Punjab, Sindh, & Azad Kashmir to something 'non-ethnic' and more acceptable to you

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 10:47 #
azipashtoon
Blocked

oh now the democratic process is not acceptable , i see !! now moaning about no justice coz it was not in few people favour .

ok lets do it a civilised way , go to court ..

and if u try to destablise Pukhtoonkhuwa then those elements of terrorism will be made an example.

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 10:49 #
ali-pk
Member

@azipashtoon
why u'r tone is threatening?

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 10:51 #
azipashtoon
Blocked

i see now my tone is threatning , how come . Coz i want the anti-democratic terrorist should be eliminated.

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 10:55 #
azipashtoon
Blocked

hazara terrorist are blocking the road , its causing huge trouble for a normal life people , who have buisnesses , school are effected , whole economy is coming to stand still ,and we Pashtoonkhuwa will not let these terrorist ruin other peacefull people life .

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 11:01 #
gujjartalwar
Member

There has been resentment in Hazara for some years against Pushtoon racism in terms of jobs and other resources. Just a few months back there were protests in Hazara University against a Pushtoon VC who was alleged to have been unduly favoring Pushtoon students. He was replced as result of protests.

There has been a so called Hazara Movement talking of Hazara Province for some years but it did not have much traction. This name change for the province appears to have added fuel to the fire. Protest appears to be a lot more than expected. A few prominent politicians have joined the ranks.

I just hope this does not go too far. Hazara is a great place but it will be too samall as a province.

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 17:29 #
skunkk
Member

I think we should have a Hazara and Seraiki provinces. If Hazara alone is unwieldy we can combine it with Potohar as they are linguistically closer to Hazara. Similarly FATA and Pushtoon Balochistan should either be made into separate provinces or merged with Pukhtoonkhwa.

India gave Tamils a province and Sri Lanka refused. India's movement for separation ended and Sri Lanka's is still deeply divided.

Certainly Indian model is better.

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 20:47 #

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