Abdul Rehman
"The entire sub continent was for everyone too for over 1000 years during Muslim rule. Still the overwhelming majority is non-Muslims. So what's your point."
And your point being?
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Who controls the destiny of Pakistan?
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stingingnettle
MemberPosted 7 months ago on 14 Oct 2011 22:01 # -
Abdul Rahman
MemberSimple. Tolerance was the indirect outcome of Shariah Rule. Need to throw away secular laws into dustbin in order to smell the breeze of tolerance again.
Posted 7 months ago on 14 Oct 2011 22:14 # -
stingingnettle
MemberYou haven't answered my comments about women further up. They are specifically addressed to you. Could you please do that? Thanks.
Posted 7 months ago on 14 Oct 2011 22:21 # -
Abdul Rahman
MemberThat was not on this thread my friend. Anyway let me paste a appropriate reply from a source that really ought to be replying to your notion of woman in work place.
From a Muslim American Woman,
Sixty years ago, society told us that men were superior because they left the home to work in factories. We were mothers. And yet, we were told that it was women's liberation to abandon the raising of another human being in order to work on a machine. We accepted that working in a factory was superior to raising the foundation of society-just because a man did it.
Then after working, we were expected to be superhuman-the perfect mother, the perfect wife, the perfect homemaker-and have the perfect career. And while there is nothing wrong, by definition, with a woman having a career, we soon came to realize what we had sacrificed by blindly mimicking men. We watched as our children became strangers and soon recognized the privilege we'd given up.
And so only now-given the choice-women in the West are choosing to stay home to raise their children. According to the United States Department of Agriculture, only 31 percent of mothers with babies, and 18 percent of mothers with two or more children, are working full-time. And of those working mothers, a survey conducted by Parenting Magazine in 2010, found that 93% of them say they would rather be home with their kids, but are compelled to work due to 'financial obligations'. These 'obligations' are imposed on women by the gender sameness of the modern West, and removed from women by the gender distinctiveness of Islam.
It took women in the West almost a century of experimentation to realize a privilege given to Muslim women 1400 years ago.
Given my privilege as a woman, I only degrade myself by trying to be something I'm not--and in all honesty--don't want to be: a man. As women, we will never reach true liberation until we stop trying to mimic men, and value the beauty in our own God-given distinctiveness.
If given a choice between stoic justice and compassion, I choose compassion. And if given a choice between worldly leadership and heaven at my feet-I choose heaven.
Posted 7 months ago on 14 Oct 2011 22:41 # -
stingingnettle
MemberAbdul Rehman;
Apologies, you are right. I did make incorrect reference to what I had said in a different thread.
I will return to the correct thread in a moment;
I am not interested in the story of an 'American Muslim Woman' because then I will have to copy and paste the stories of millions of very happy and content American Women both muslim and non-muslim.
What I want to know is where you stand.
If you could post the response in the correct thread, I would be grateful.
Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 10:35 # -
The Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu ’alayhi wa sallam):
"If you indulge in ’eenah transactions (type of transaction that involves Ribaa/Interest) when trading and you start to hold on to the tails of cattle and you are satisfied to concentrate only upon farming and you have abandoned Jihaad in the Cause of Allaah. Allaah will cast a humiliation upon you which would never be lifted from you until you return to your Religion." [Abu Daawood]
Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 11:35 # -
If we Muslims want to lift the humiliation that has been cast on us from Allaah we have to return back to Islaam. Look at the solution that our beloved Prophet Muhammad (sallAllaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) has shown us to come out of this misery:
Allaah will cast a humiliation upon you which would never be lifted from you until you return to your Religion."
Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 11:39 # -
stingingnettle
MemberW Durrani
The preacher man copy-paste thread is a different one.
If you could just return back to your medication induced haze, life will be more tolerable for the rest of us.
Unless of course you want help Pakistan change and become a tolerant and non-lip service society?
Here is a copy and paste from the Bible: (you see I can do it too). Have a fit on me.
“God will bring into judgment
both the righteous and the wicked,
for there will be a time for every activity,
a time to judge every deed.”(Ecclesiastes)
Any comments?
I thank God that the destiny of Pakistan is controlled by corrupt freaks like Zardari and not self-righteous dinosaurs like you.
One day, you will be waking up to your worst nightmare, yes, Imran Khan, the prime minister. Yes, change is about to hit you in the face.
Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 18:13 # -
Abdul Rahman
MemberLeave Durrani alone. The scenario at PkP looks like proto-type of Pakistan. The so called secular educated intellegentia trying to impose their decadent views on the average countrymen who thank God did not get polluted by the alien culture. The poverty of many of the countrymen is boon rather than obstacle. The ruling elite in Pakistan and the crackpots beating the secular drums have much in common and are parasites engaged in futile attempt in destroying the saz zameen from within with blessings from outside elements in West and East. But rest assured the Durrani's have capability and will eventually make a Panipat out of nettle kettles.
The anwer to your query is already given above. Nothing to add. It does not deserve more words for the question that is mired in ignorance and arrogance.
Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 20:49 # -
stingingnettle
MemberAbdul Rehman
"The so called secular educated intellegentia trying to impose their decadent views on the average countrymen who thank God did not get polluted by the alien culture."
Your 'average countrymen', thanks to people like you and our lovely rulers; did not get their minds polluted by ANY culture especially the one that tells them their rights.
This is not about secularism or religious blinkerdism but about the fact that your version of Islam has contributed most to the exploitation and the misery of your beloved country men. The Islamic noise you keep making prevents people from thinking clearly themselves even thinking clearly about their faith and how to follow it.
Any elements, East, West, North or South that helps the people of my country to reject the mind-numbing religious rhetoric that comes of the torch bearers like you, is a God sent help. In my perfect world, I would like the people of my country to demand dignity, freedom, merit and justice for all.
Abdul Rehman, this is about the future of the children of Pakistan who must have a better life than what their parents and grandparents have had. Let them pursue 'ilm' and live a dignified life. No more delusion and empty talk. The fact that we live a life of hell is not because there is weakness in our faith or how we practice it but it is because we are lead to believe that a hot plate of justice will be served to our oppressors in the life here-after so we mustn't worry now and keep on suffering. It's not about Islam, that is what you need to 'dig.' It's about the truth.
Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 21:31 # -
stingingnettle
MemberAbdul Rehman;
'the Durrani's have capability and will eventually make a Panipat out of nettle kettles.'
You and the Durranis of the world have a much bigger capability than that; to listen, to reason, to grow, what you believe, to question, to rethink, to understand and to change. That is what makes you 'Asraf ul Makhlooqat.'
That matters more than enduring the stings from nettles.
I leave you with only my best wishes.
Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 21:34 # -
Abdul Rahman
MemberLet them pursue 'ilm'
Ilm devoid of God Almighty and based on pure materialistic pursuit is not really ilm but fake adulterated potion mixed and sold to you like Ilm. I think it was Allama Iqbal who said Pharoah would not have used harch means to kill all the new borns if he knew about the disastrous effect of secular education.
Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 21:40 # -
stingingnettle
MemberRead my comments properly; I took the time to write them and gave you respect for that reason.
It ain't about secular or non-secular, it's about our destiny.
It's not about being awake but about being aware.
I don't know why you keep obsessing about secularism. I have not mentioned it once.
Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 21:43 # -
Abdul Rahman
MemberSorry Brother. Best Wishes to you in this world and herafter.
Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 21:52 # -
stingingnettle
MemberPlease don't apologise, I don't need your best wishes for the world here-after; I need my 'Huqooq ul Ibad'.
As for this world, I must suffer the 'pangs and arrows' of the unworthy until I can help change the system.
Live and let live.
Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 22:00 # -
Abdul Rahman
MemberNo problem if you think so but herefter and this life are intertwined like your shadow and real person. You cannot wish best for one and ignore the other.
Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 22:07 # -
stingingnettle
MemberThere is no other and there are no shadows and there is no intertwining.
Learn to co-exist with difference.
For life now and here-after; Huqooq ul ibad.
More importantly every man and woman for himself in the life here-after. So live and let live.
Posted 7 months ago on 15 Oct 2011 23:30 #
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