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Who was Lilith?

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  1. zia m
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    Was she the first feminist?
    According to Jewish tradition she was the first wife of Adam and demanded equal rights.
    A Hebrew tradition exists in which an amulet is inscribed with the names of three angels (Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof) and placed around the neck of newborn boys in order to protect them from the lilin until their circumcision.

    "After God created Adam, who was alone, He said, 'It is not good for man to be alone.' He then created a woman for Adam, from the earth, as He had created Adam himself, and called her Lilith. Adam and Lilith immediately began to fight. She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be the superior one.' Lilith responded, 'We are equal to each other inasmuch as we were both created from the earth.' But they would not listen to one another. When Lilith saw this, she pronounced the Ineffable Name and flew away into the air."

    Karina of Arabic lore is considered Lilith’s equivalent.[59] She is mentioned as a child-stealing and child-killing witch. In this context, Karina plays the role of a "shadow" of a woman and a corresponding male demon, Karin, is the "shadow" of a man. Should a woman marry, her Karina marries the man’s Karin. When the woman becomes pregnant is when Karina will cause her chaos.[60] She will try to drive the woman out and take her place, cause a miscarriage by striking the woman and if the woman succeeds in having children then her Karina will have the same number of children she does. The Karina will continuously try to create discord between the woman and her husband. Here, Karina plays the role of disrupter of marital relations, akin to one of Lilith's roles in Jewish tradition

    Did lullaby evolve from lilith-bye?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

    Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 23:32 #
  2. I have not heard or read about her in any of islamic source...can you please provide any proof of this fairy tale from both the sources of Quran and Sunnah or any reliable scholary claim?...if not then we should believe into these myths as it plays a role to misguide us.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Apr 2010 15:32 #
  3. correction* should not believe into these myths.....

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Apr 2010 16:08 #
  4. zia m
    Member

    She is another myth just like Adam and Eve.Her origin goes back to Sunero-Babylonian mythology.She was a godess according to epics of Gilgamesh and was later depicted as a demon in Jewish tradition.The custom of amulets(Taweez) seems to have been originated from her.
    You are right we should not believe in any muyths but i found her story more interesting than that of Adam and Eve since she demaded equal rights for women.Monotheistic religions portray her as demon because they believe in subjugation of women.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Apr 2010 15:14 #
  5. you believe the mention of adam and eve in Quran as myth?...i dont know what religion you follow but as far as Islam is concerned Adam and eve's existence wasn't fictious but a fact....

    Allaah created Adam from dust, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Verily, the likeness of ‘Eesa (Jesus) before Allaah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!’ — and he was”

    [Aal ‘Imraan 3:59]

    Allaah taught Adam all the names:

    “And He taught Adam all the names (of everything)”

    [al-Baqarah 2:31 – interpretation of the meaning]

    O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women”

    [al-Nisaa’ 4:1]

    “And We said: ‘O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight, of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the Zaalimoon (wrong-doers)’”

    [al-Baqarah 2:35

    Allaah warned Adam and his wife against the Shaytaan, as He said (interpretation of the meaning):

    “O Adam! Verily, this is an enemy to you and to your wife. So let him not get you both out of Paradise, so that you will be distressed”

    [Ta-Ha 20:117

    “Then Shaytaan (Satan) whispered to him, saying : ‘O Adam! Shall I lead you to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that will never waste away?’

    Then they both ate of the tree, and so their private parts became manifest to them, and they began to cover themselves with the leaves of the Paradise for their covering. Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went astray”

    [Ta-Ha 20:120-121

    “Then Adam received from his Lord Words. And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful”

    [al-Baqarah 2:37

    “(Allaah) said: ‘Get down, one of you an enemy to the other [i.e. Adam, Hawwa, (Eve), and Shaytaan (Satan)]. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time’

    [al-A’raaf 7:24

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Apr 2010 15:48 #
  6. zia m
    Member

    I think all religions are man made and based on myths.
    Religions and concept of god has been evolving since the dawn of civilization.
    Jews borrowed their god from Sumerians, so did the Hindus,Egyptians and Greeks.
    You have every right to believe in any myth you like.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Apr 2010 16:04 #
  7. zia m
    Member

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Apr 2010 16:08 #

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