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Who would like an ice-cold Shezan juice?

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  1. hkbajwa

    I am sure some of the members may have come across this story in today's newspapers.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/335612/ahmadi-owned-products-lahore-lawyers-stick-to-ban-in-face-of-criticism/

    Personally i think it's hilarious since the LBA's idiotic action has generated tons of favorable and positive PR for Shezan juices, and i can assure you that they will notice a marked spike in the sale of their drinks instead...

    This is a double own-goal by the LBA.. firstly they are generating GREATER not lesser sales for Shezan. and secondly only the LBA comes across as the evil a**holes in this situation, creating much more support for the rights of ahmadis.. so personally i think it's a great move and i applaud the LBA for their glorious stupidity.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Feb 2012 10:40 #
  2. fear

    Who would like an ice-cold Shezan juice?

    bajwa
    I like blood

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Feb 2012 10:45 #
  3. hkbajwa

    @ oblivion

    what the f... are you saying??

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Feb 2012 10:52 #
  4. fear

    bajwa
    Why would a genius like you fail to pick the clue.

    financially this shehzan is the backbone for the ahmedis. It is being used to propagate the prophet hood of mirza

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Feb 2012 11:06 #
  5. fear

    where is bajwa,
    I think he gets dishearten, the price of all juices.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Feb 2012 11:45 #
  6. hkbajwa

    @ Oblivion

    I'm sure you consider this a great victory for Islam, and you are welcome to it... reality however indicates that most pakistanis are sickened by this stupidity, and it is likely that this genius action by the LBA will result in MORE sales for Shezan.

    So i would actually wish to extend my thanks to the Laanati Bar Association for strengthening the cause for equal rights for ahmadis.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Feb 2012 12:10 #
  7. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Traitors, who take money from foreign entities in order to better their own lives, to push foreign agenda within our ranks, as well as at the expense of committing treason with the collective they publicly claim to belong to, deserve the death of traitor(s). Ahmadis' are "serving" or "functioning" as exactly that i.e., traitors to the Muslim collective.

    After-all they are "attempting" to "imitate" Muslims. An "imitation" is an "imitation". Its fate is that of an "imitation".

    If only Muslims would;

    (1) believe in
    (2) learn
    (3) adhere to

    Islam, there's no way the Ahmadi movement can ever harm Muslims.

    INSHALLAH, in-fact when Muslims would do that, in due time, Ahmadis' would be "removed" from the ranks of Muslims altogether.

    P.S. Having said that, as the Quran guides us, I must also insist on Muslims to be "wise" about their decisions, their course of actions in this regard.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 5:50 #
  8. hkbajwa

    @ HK

    So how successful has the persecution of ahmadis been in limiting their growth and influence?

    Will the banning of Shezan do anything other than strengthen the cause for equality of ahmadis?

    My point here is not about the right of ahmadis to be free of persecution (if you cannot accept that right as a given, no argument will convince you otherwise). rather i am really just wondering whether anybody is moronic enough to think such action weakens the ahmadi community instead of strengthening it

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 9:53 #
  9. gv

    my two favourite muslims both on the same page.

    if you guys get the time (Haris Khan i know you are a busy man) do try and read the document below:

    http://www.thepersecution.org/dl/report_1953.pdf

    This is a copy of the famous Justic Munir Report published in 1954 after the Ahrar/Ahmadi riots in 1953 which I presume you both (being better stauncher and steadfaster muslims than most) are well aware of.

    i will do you a favour and suggest instead of pouring over the document in its entirety please just read pages 201-232
    Do try and focus on pages201-203 and the final paragraphs on page 218 and 232

    with love and hugs and kisses

    gv

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 10:01 #
  10. fear

    Bajwa

    most pakistanis are sickened by this stupidity, and it is likely that this genius action by the LBA will result in MORE sales for Shezan.

    Most of Qadianis, they follow their forefathers who were once faithful to Britisher as one should faith to God.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 10:08 #
  11. gv

    Incidentally I find it amusing that a specifically hindu based concept of 'uncleanness' of other castes/religionists has been so vociferously taken up by our guardians of islam.

    witness the the inability of a good muslim to share the food/drink/utensils of an unclean hindu/christian etc in Pakistan.

    However when these self same good muslims are visiting 'a-broad' they are suddenly oblivious to the christian-ness/jewishness/atheist of the whitey/chinese they share plates/glasses with at restaurants etc?? weird huh?

    the uncleaness seems to be solely reserved for those with brown skin.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 10:16 #
  12. fear

    hiya

    Incidentally I find it amusing that a specifically hindu based concept of 'uncleanness' of other castes/religionists has been so vociferously taken up by our guardians of islam.

    do you hate hindus, on the other hand, you always say belief is personal matter, so what's wrong with that concept. please explain

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 10:31 #
  13. hkbajwa

    Well it seems both HK and oblivious realize the stupidity of this act by the LBA which is why they aren't praising it to the high heavens

    while i am sure they consider the act righteous, even they can seen how much of an own-goal it actually is.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 10:41 #
  14. gv

    @oblivion

    well last i checked Islam teaches equality of all mankind in the eyes of God. There are no 'unclean' people in Islam.

    P.s while i do not condone the classifying of another human being as 'unclean'i understand this is a key factor of the hindu belief system and will leave them to it.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 10:49 #
  15. gv

    @hkb

    my friend im not so sure whether there is such a direct correlation of the LBA ban and an a subsequent increase in the sales of Shezan products. If i were to hazard a guess I would assume sales would probably stay where they are as for every new customer who subconsciously purchases shezan products due to all the new publicity there will probably be another nutjob that decides to stop purchasing shezan products due to their 'ungodly' makers.

    It is irrelevant to the key point which is that bigotry/hatred/persecution of minorities is baaaad and should be condemned and punished by the state whereever it crops us in this charming country of ours.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 10:52 #
  16. fear

    hiya gv

    well last i checked Islam teaches equality of all mankind in the eyes of God. There are no 'unclean' people in Islam.

    You are telling me properties of Islam and try to malign hindus's belief . Are hindues stupid according to your thinking, that's why you used hindu's belief to torch your belief. I find a very suspicious activity. Try to admit, belief aren't personal

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 11:02 #
  17. gv

    @oblivion

    you're absolutely right! its all terribly suspicious.. i think you should file an FIR at your local thana.

    Let me know how it works out?

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 11:07 #
  18. fear

    bigotry/hatred/persecution of minorities is baaaad and should be condemned and punished by the state whereever it crops us in this charming country of ours.

    Are you not bigot against hindues, that's why you tried to show them unclean and lowest creature on planet.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 11:07 #
  19. fear

    gv
    you are badly busted, why do you hate hindues, you hate hindues what is wrong if someone hate qadiyanis

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 11:08 #
  20. gv

    err yeah that's 'exactly' what i said.

    did you study logic at university or is it just one of your natural god gifted talents?

    ps did you read the document i posted?

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 11:09 #
  21. fear

    you eat sugar and tell other not to eat sugar, So the logic isn't good, because you should practice first before telling others, If you don't then it is hypocrisy.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 11:11 #
  22. gv

    @oblivion

    sometimes i just wonder which planet you live on. you should really just change your nick to oblivious its much more apt.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 11:14 #
  23. gv

    so beliefs arent personal?? - do me a favour and look up belief in the dictionary.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 11:15 #
  24. fear

    you believe "belief are personal", but you reflecting opposite to what you believe. See, i am dictionary

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 11:29 #
  25. fear

    you threw dirt on hindues and insulted their beliefs. You are muslim in your heart. You degraded hindus by showing their thinking as unclean. Hell on earth

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 11:33 #
  26. gv

    @oblivion

    i think i'll let the other posters make up their own minds what i meant or didnt mean and leave you to your ramblings.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 12:31 #
  27. bsobaid

    This is non-sense and open discrimination.
    Infact I will go out today and buy a shezan drink for me.

    If you keep on cornering a minority like this why wont they play in the hands of enemy. This is shameful.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Feb 2012 13:22 #
  28. fear

    Gv

    i think i'll let the other posters make up their own minds

    Don't show off, You come here with thinking of "showing off"
    You clearly attacked hindus and their belief, on the other hands, you always preach "belief are personal" to others. You use a logic which goes against your own belief, showing hindus are dirty and unclean.

    BTW: where is bajwa, i think he has no answer

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Feb 2012 6:31 #
  29. fear

    Infact I will go out today and buy a shezan drink for me.

    Each penny, you will spend to buy shezan juice, will strengthen the prophet hood of Mirza Ghulam against the Prophood of Muhammad (pbuh). Spend whatever you wish

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Feb 2012 6:33 #
  30. zingaro

    mirza aik laanti, kazzab aur jhoota badbakht tha .. us kay karnaamey to us kay apnay betay biyan kartey hein .. inki apni kitabein bhari hein inki apni kharafaat say

    mirza jab mara to us pay ghalaazat phainki gai .. waisay mara to wo gir kay bhi ghalazat mein tha .. par us kay pairokaaron ko ye baat samj hi nahi aati kay jin logon ka aisa kirdaar aur anjaam ho to aur sochnay ki zaroorat nahi rehti ..

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Feb 2012 8:59 #
  31. fear

    gv ne qadianion ki hamayat kartay hoay hinduon ko paleed or napaak qarar dia, waha kia kehnay hain.

    دل کرتا ہے لتر اتار لے،

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Feb 2012 9:33 #
  32. gv

    @oblivion sahib

    اتنا غصّہ ؟؟ اور وہ بھی کسسی غیر اسلامی قوم کے حمایت مے؟

    maybe all my lessons to you are finally taking effect.

    i am very pleased with your progress. you may now pass go and collect 200 dollars.

    good bye

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Feb 2012 9:44 #
  33. fear

    بھائی یہ ہماری محبت ہے ہم تو غصے کو جانتے تک نہیں.. .
    میں ہندو کی حمایت نہیں کر رہا ، بلکے حقیقت بیان کر رہا ہوں

    i am very pleased with your progress. you may now pass go and collect 200 dollars.

    ابھی کچھ سواد انا شرو ع ہوا ہے ...

    جی وی صاحب بہت نازک مزاج ہیں ، جب کوئی بندہ سچی بات کر دے تو انگیرزی میں گڈ باے" لکھ کر بھا گ جاتے ہیں .

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Feb 2012 9:57 #
  34. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @gv: I'v read pages;

    (1) 201 - 203
    (2) 218 - 232

    from the [PDF] of "REPORT of THE COURT OF INQUIRY constituted under PUNJAB ACT II OF 1954 to enquire into the PUNJAB DISTURBANCES OF 1953"

    What of it ?

    --------------------------------------------------------

    Much of the information put forward by "Ulama" (in urdu, Arabic) in the above mentioned PDF is correct.

    Having said that, I believe, one or more point(s) or part(s) of the points needing mention, were neither "portrayed", nor "understood" properly at the time of writing of this report, no doubt due to "various" "reasons".

    --------------------------------------------------------

    These points may contain but may not be limited to;

    (1) definition of "Jihad"
    (2) "understanding" of the word "Jihad"
    (3) definition of rights of non-Muslims in an Islamic State
    (4) definition of rights of minorities in an Islamic State
    (5) definition of "state" or "status" of non-Muslims or minorities under an Islamic State
    (6) definition of "living standards" of non-Muslims or minorities under an Islamic State
    (7) "complete" definition of "timeline" or "era" when the Muslim state may "declare" war against other "states"
    (8) etc etc

    --------------------------------------------------------

    Secondly, I feel we have, to some extent, already discussed the points mentioned in this report, on this very forum.

    Thirdly, I believe, the time of "freedom" we as human beings have in Pakistan, has been granted to Muslims of Pakistan to "learn", to "understand" "meaning" of scripture of Islam.

    Fourthly, as I see the situation going forward, I see 2 Pakistans' living within Pakistan

    One Pakistan consists of human beings who although note themselves as "Muslim(s)", yet for "obfuscated" "reasons" "choose" (decide) to practice non-Muslims values, culture (i.e., secularism). "Perhaps" "because" in "their" "struggle" for betterment, they find themselves "wanting" that which secularism "claims" to "offer" (or "provide"), "even though" the "excersize" of real life over the course of decades has "consistently", "repeatedly" "proven" it to be an "illusion" at best.

    The other Pakistan is that of human beings who "endevour" to "learn", to "practice" Islam, who therefore rightfully claim to be "Muslim(s)". They are "rebuilding" each and every aspect of their lives i.e., their intellectual capacity, their financial capability, their understanding of Islam, their experience after going through the excersize of real life, they are "improving" "upon" in all realms of life.

    I believe, I have "seen" or "noted" "decision(s)", action(s)", "event(s)" in (or also outside of) Pakistan which force me, which compel me to come to the conclusion that the Pakistan of those among us who believe in secularism, in non-Muslim culture and values is on "course" to "suicide". Over the course of decades, it has been those of us who practice Islam, who "consistently" "save" the Pakistan of secualrism from committing suicide.

    In light of this fact, I believe with the passage of time, the Pakistan of secularism "may" "forcefully" "push" itself to its "own" "death".

    This exacts with, this confirms the notion of the Quran which states that "falsehood" is there to die.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Feb 2012 5:51 #

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