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Why do Imran, JI and JUI have soft corners for terrorists?

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  1. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    wantinsaf

    It is true that MQM also commits terrorism like most of the other political parties. Their terrorism targets only their political rivals not the innocent people busy at schools, mosques,shrines and other public places. The political terrorism of any political party is also not justifiable at all. The most heinous form of terrorism is to target schools, shrines, mosques and other public places. What JI, JUI and Imran must do is to condemn this form of terrorism in the strongest possible words.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Oct 2010 6:29 #
  2. wantinsaf
    Member

    @Hussainfarouqui

    Imran Khan has always condemned suicide attacks but the difference is he talks about solution as well.American cronies in Pakistan don't want to talk about the solution as that goes against their self interests.

    Condemnation is not enough but solution to the issue would surely be.....

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Oct 2010 7:01 #
  3. sultanalikhan
    Member

    Bracketing Imran Khan with JI and JUI is not fair. Imran Khan has his own ideology and philosophy about resolving the multi-prong issue of Taliban, Afghanistan occupation, war on terror, big game of USA/NATO in Asia and beyond. He talks about the root cause and wants to get to the bottom of whole problem and not just pick & choose what is favorable to one party and against the other.

    It is his held view that unless foreign forces get out of Afghanistan there will not be any peace and stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan. What he said at the outset of bringing the Taliban to negotiating table is now being realized by all including USA/NATO/Afghanistan Govt.

    Imran has been proven right many times over and it is about time that USA/NATO/Afghanistan govt and Pakistan Govt paid due attention to what he has been saying. It is a known fact that Afghan Govt/USA and NATO are holding secret negotiations with the Taliban in a bid to get out of Afghanistan with face-saving. Alas only if they paid heed to what Imran was saying in the beginning many lives and property losses on both sides could have been prevented. But then power does blur the vision of ordinary leadership only until it is hit on the head....So is true in case of USA and its allies!!!!

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Oct 2010 8:08 #
  4. Babloo
    Member

    Hussain Farooqi said

    "It is true that MQM also commits terrorism like most of the other political parties. Their terrorism targets only their political rivals not the innocent people busy at schools, mosques,shrines and other public places. The political terrorism of any political party is also not justifiable at all. The most heinous form of terrorism is to target schools, shrines, mosques and other public places. What JI, JUI and Imran must do is to condemn this form of terrorism in the strongest possible words."
    Lozzz is sadgi pe kon na mer jai......

    And what about MQM jalao gherao policy where they just not missed any oppertunity to burn people, shops,Buses, and killed innocent peopel chabri wala, pedestrians, poor pushtoon labour.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Oct 2010 9:39 #
  5. Babloo
    Member

    MQM policy is totally based on hatred, bias and fascism towards non muhajirs specially pushtoons.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Oct 2010 9:41 #
  6. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    wantinsaf

    Naturally, solution to the growing ailments of the society have to be worked out. I agree with Imran's viewpoint.

    However, the suicide bombing over at the public places is inexcusable. The majority of common people in Pakistan are themselves helpless and poor. What is their fault in this mess? Are they responsible to be punished by the terrorists?

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Oct 2010 10:23 #
  7. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Babloo

    The type of terrorism you have mentioned has been done by most of the political parties. MQM is no exceptional. However, this type of terrorism is also inexcusable.

    However, you can't equate the terrorism of political parties with the ones who are targeting just the common people indiscriminately. The political terrorism is against each other not against the common people who have nothing to do with the political problems. What did the victims of schools, colleges, mosques have to do with the terrorists?

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Oct 2010 10:31 #
  8. sultanalikhan
    Member

    Killing of any kind is despicable and thus must be abhored......when people start delivering justice on their own then the state of mess that is currently engulfing Pakistan emerges.....

    Build institutions, restore law & order, do away with nepotism and then give freedom the courts of law so as justice, in its true form, could be served!!!!

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Oct 2010 12:38 #
  9. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Condemnation = worthless.

    We need to know the exact info on the situation, before we 'comment' on it. Without that we'll be 'engaging' in 'idle speculation'. Which is what people want us to do. Those people, who want to destroy our credibility. The mischievous. The whisperers.

    We'r not going to fall in this trap. It is a long standing way of operation of Aalim-e-DEEN. They ask for full, exact info. Otherwise, they don't issue any decree.

    That is how it is.

    We will never! go into 'idle speculation' based on 'half' or 'incomplete' 'information'.

    We will do all we can to 'end' 'speculation', ASAP. Lack of justice within our ranks that has been going on for decades, if not centuries, has engulfed us all in a non-ending bubble of 'idle speculation'.

    'Idle speculation' eats up the brain, the intelligence. It kills time. It kills productivity of a human being. Its worthless. It has to be ended!, ASAP!.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Oct 2010 13:23 #
  10. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Brother hariskhan

    Aslam Aleikum,

    You write:
    Condemnation=worthless ?

    Is encouragement to wrongdoers worthy? When the terrorists find no condemnation from JI and JUI then they may think that there are religious people who consider them as righteous. Both, JI and JUI are the flag bearers of our holy religion. While carrying the flags of religious significance, JI and JUI are obliged to condemn atrocities against their brethren-in-Islam. The terrorists are not the brethren of JI and JUI. The victims of the terrorists are the brethren of JI and JUI indeed.

    Please do have soft corner for your brethren not the terrorists.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Oct 2010 16:52 #
  11. salaudin
    Member

    I happen to know a few individuals in JI's top command as they happened to be my relatives. I have had a lot of discussions with them and I can safely say that
    1) Their ideology is different than that of TTP
    2) They do criticise the terrorist acts (perhaps not as much as some people want but they do)

    I am not a JI supporter so please do not ask me questions about JI. If you want to trust me, fair enough, if not, I would not take it personally.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Oct 2010 17:11 #
  12. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    salahuddin

    It is undoubtedly a matter of happiness if JI people are against the terrorists. The question arises,"Why don't their leaders condemn and criticize the terrorists?" Is the condemnation of JI limited to their common workers and supporters only?

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Oct 2010 17:16 #
  13. saqib55
    Member

    Why would any group that supports an action criticise it?

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Oct 2010 7:53 #
  14. haroonyahya
    Member

    Pity poor Taliqan (a region in Afghanistan) that at that place are treasures of Allah, but these are not of gold and silver but consist of people who have recognised Allah as they should have

    Many details of what the Prophet (saas) said would happen before the last days have reached us. These events are happening one by one in our own time, proving to be yet another miracle of the Prophet (saas). These events, that are happening 1,400 years after the Prophet Muhammad (saas), were explained in great detail, as if he had witnessed them himself.

    These are the Prophet (saas)'s prophecies regarding the signs of the end times and the last day, taken from the hadiths:

    The Last Hour will not come unless there is much bloodshed.227

    Near the establishment of the Hour there will be much Al-Harj, and Al-Harj means killing…228

    The day of Judgment will not come until people openly deny Allah.229

    Great cities will be ruined, and it will be as if they had not existed the day before.230

    Gains will be shared out only among the rich, with no benefit to the poor.231

    People will indulge in homosexuality and lesbianism.232

    There will be prevalence of open illegal intercourse.233

    The Hour (Last Day) will not be established until murders will increase.234

    Pity poor Taliqan (a region in Afghanistan) that at that place are treasures of Allah, but these are not of gold and silver but consist of people who have recognised Allah as they should have.235

    There is an indication in the hadith that Afghanistan will be occupied during the end times. The Russian invasion of Afghanistan took place in 1979, or 1400 according to the Hijri calendar. In other words, it coincided with the start of the fourteenth century under the Hijri calendar.

    It (Euphrates) will uncover a mountain of gold (under it).236

    Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold, so whoever will be present at that time should not take anything of it.237

    The rebuilding of the ruined places in the world, and the ruination of constructed places are signs and portents of Doomsday.238

    There are two signs of our Mahdi; ...and those signs are that moon will eclipse in the first night of its fixed nights of eclipse and sun will be eclipsed in the middle of the fixed days for its eclipse, during the month of Ramadhan.239

    There will be two eclipses of the sun in Ramadan before the Mahdi emerges.240

    There will be two eclipses of the Moon in Ramadan...241

    The common points emerging from the above three hadiths are:

    1. There will be solar and lunar eclipses during the month of Ramadan.

    2. These will be spaced about 14-15 days apart.

    3. The eclipses will be repeated twice.

    In line with those calculations, there was a lunar eclipse in 1981 (Hijri 1401), on the 15th day of Ramadan, and a solar eclipse on the 29th day of the month. There was a "second" lunar eclipse in 1982 (Hijri 1402) on the 14th day of Ramadan, and a solar eclipse on the 28th day of the month.

    It is also particularly significant that in that particular instance, there was a full lunar eclipse in the middle of the month of Ramadan, a most striking prophecy.

    Before he comes, a comet spreading light will come from the East.242

    The birth of that star will follow the eclipse of the Sun and Moon.243

    A tailed star will be born from the East and spread its light. Its daily direction will be from East to West.244

    - In 1986 (Hijri 1406), in other words at the start of the 14th century, Halley's comet passed by the Earth. The comet is a bright, shining star.

    - It travels from East to West

    This happened after the lunar and solar eclipses of 1981 and 1982 (1401-1402)

    People will go on the hajj with no imam at their head. When they descend to Mina, the tribes will savage each other like dogs and there will be great wars. To such an extent that feet will be covered in a lake of blood.245

    A fire will appear in the sky from the East and a redness will cover the sky for three or seven days in a row.246

    A fire will enfold you. That fire is currently extinguished in the valley called Berehut. People will be enfolded in that fire with terrible suffering. That fire will burn and destroy people and belongings. For eight days it will rage over the world like wind and cloud. The heat of night will be fiercer than that of day. That fire will stretch from the heads of man to the highest heavens, and there will be a terrible noise like thunder between the earth and sky, he said.247

    - The burning oil in Kuwait led to the deaths of people and animals. According to experts, half a million tons of oil went up into the atmosphere as smoke. Every day, more than 10,000 tons of soot, sulphur, carbon-dioxide and large quantities of hydrocarbons with their carcinogenic properties hang suspended over the Gulf. It is not just the Gulf, but the world itself that is burning.248

    - Two wells that were set alight produced as much oil as Turkey does in one day, and the smoke from them can be seen from Saudi Arabia, 55 kilometres away.249

    - Continuing news of disaster from the Gulf: Hundreds of oil wells set alight in Kuwait are still burning fiercely. Experts say it will be "exceedingly difficult to put those fires out," and it is said that the fires will affect a wide area from Turkey to India for the next 10 years.

    The fire and smoke coming from the wells constantly pollute the atmosphere. Daytime resembles night in Kuwait. The brown smoke that rises together with the flames remind one of the sky as the autumn turns into winter … It will take at least a century for Kuwait to be completely habitable again. The smoke that rises with the flames is visible from miles away, totally blocking out the sky and making the country unfit to live in. The wealthy are abandoning Kuwait.250

    He(The Mahdi) will not come until there is a portent from the Sun.251

    The solar eclipse of August 11, 1999 was the last of the century. During this eclipse, the likes of which take place only every 400 years, the sun, the moon and the world align. It was the first time that so many people had been able to watch and study an eclipse for so long a duration. Below are some newspaper headlines regarding the phenomenon. This can be interpreted as the "portent from the Sun" referred to in the hadith. (Allah knows best, of course).

    Before the Hour comes, there will be a tribulation like patches of dark night...252

    The word "tribulation (fitna)" implies anything that turns peoples' reason and hearts away from the true path, or war, incitement, chaos, disorder and conflict. The tribulation in the hadith will leave smoke and dust behind it, we learn.

    Furthermore, the way that tribulation is described as "darkness" in the hadith, can be seen as an indication that its origins are unclear, that it is unexpected. Looking at it from that regard, it is probable that the hadith is referring to the world's worst terrorist attack, on the cities of New York and Washington in the United States on September 11, 2001.

    The inhabitants of Egypt and Sham would kill their ruler and his commands…253

    The people of Sham will take prisoner the tribes of Egypt.254

    Today, the states in the region in question include Israel. That is why the hadith could be pointing to the war between the State of Israel and Egypt, and the invasion of Egyptian territory.

    The Hour (Last Day) will not be established until ... earthquakes will be very frequent.255

    There are two great events before the day of Judgment ... and then years of earthquakes.256

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Oct 2010 10:17 #
  15. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    haroon

    Fort style madresas built by the foreign funding could not produce anything else. The purpose of foreign funding during the Soviet-Afghan war was to produce ferocious fighters against the Soviets. Those ferocious fighters have now turned against their own people.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Oct 2010 15:29 #
  16. The big question is here WHY? Why do they support and have soft corner for terrorists?

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Oct 2010 16:04 #
  17. haroonyahya
    Member

    how anybody claimed all fighters are terrorist, if soviet war not fight by afghan worrier we can seen russian boarder will be near sindh boarder,also pakistan not support for afghan on favour of afghan pakistan support on own defence, kindly history war aims and russina plannings read carefully, if any nation need democracy, islamic law, sharia , or any other law in their country we are who to interfare and usa and others are who to stop. if any country dont like usa goverment as democracy thats mean atack on usa.
    dont run your horses in the modern thinking of western propaganda think with own mind

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Oct 2010 18:44 #
  18. Imran Khan, JUI and JI should not support terrorists as they have been doing in the past especially Jamat Islami. As a nation and one nation we should show support for our brave Army which is fighting against Taliban/AlQaeda terrorists. It is time for national unity and maturity and support our army efforts to win war on terrorism.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Oct 2010 19:03 #
  19. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Sweettruth: Go through the questions I'v posted on this thread. Answer them if you can.

    Let's see it.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Oct 2010 19:38 #
  20. @hariskhan

    Everyboy knows Jamat Islami is the biggest supporter of talibans and AlQaeda terrorists. Munawwar Hasan and Qazi Hussian Ahmad have never ever condemned their acts of terrorism rather they always blame Govt after a suicide attack.

    Ask yourself (hariskhan) why Jamat Islmai has less than 1% support among Pakistani public?? WHY??

    Why Jamat Islami cannot win one single seat from anywhere in Pakistan?? WHY???

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Oct 2010 19:44 #
  21. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    (sarcasm) I see the answers. Cool!. Thank you for answering my questions Sweettruth. (/sarcasm)

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Oct 2010 19:49 #
  22. haroonyahya
    Member

    every each pakistani know how can win election in pakistan therefore dont celebrate and dont blame why not win any seat,
    kindly watch truth i live in karachi and i dont belive in politics and i am not support any political or religious party but which is true its true as jamiat is all over pakistan present as peoples party present in all over pakistan , corrupt , religious or any other that is seprate issue kindly see all over pakistan dont make ideas by election result, how become goverment in pakistan how win election everything know every pakistani,
    and finally usa and west say taliban and alqaida is terrorist and you also say whats difference between you and kuffr,

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Oct 2010 19:54 #
  23. @haroon

    Stay away from Jamat Islami as they are the biggest fitna in our country. Religious corruption starts with Jamat Islami and ends with them rather continues with them.
    And also stay away from their mates which are talibans and AlQaeda as they all are in league with each other.

    I have never seen any strong statements in the media from Mansoora condemning terrorism in our country.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Oct 2010 20:01 #
  24. haroonyahya
    Member

    mean you only oppsite because they dont condem great, i dont belive in any political religious party in pakistan, you are against jamat i islami its your rights you can say who right who wrong.
    but in pakistan all religious political parties are great fitna in islamic world no one fair for nation for islam.
    i want to discuss on taliban alqaeda aims which u opposed possible leaders and people of talban alqaida corrupt but are you can prove its movement against islam

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Oct 2010 20:09 #
  25. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    There is a postive change in one of the recently given statements of Qazi Hussain Ahmed. He expressed disagreement with the policies of the elements who are encouraging terrorist acts. I hope that the other leaders of JI also follow the same viewpoint.

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Oct 2010 17:25 #
  26. 1lhr
    Member

    'Why do Imran, JI and JUI have soft corners for terrorists?'

    because all of them are opportunists with little or no vision and programme of their own party and are looking either to enter the assemblies/get ministries by chor darwaza or awaiting for establishment tide to turn towards them at some point in future

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Oct 2010 13:11 #
  27. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    No one has proven we have 'terrorists' inside Pakistan.

    Why are people of Pakistan 'passing' 'judgments' before! it has been determined;

    (1) whether the ones being 'blamed' for perpetrating crimes, that they have actually committed those crimes ?

    I don't find Muhammad (SAW), or Companions (RA, RAA) of Muhammad (SAW) engaging in this activity. Why are people of Pakistan doing it ?

    Are we Muslims ? Do we adhere to Islam's standards, guidelines, ways, teachings, principles ?

    (2) why there is no justice system in Pakistan that ALL people adhere to, submit to, accept judgments from ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Oct 2010 13:14 #
  28. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    hariskhan

    W Alekom As Salam

    If JI has the policy of discouraging terrorists, then all other leaders of JI should release statements similar to the one given by Qazi Hussain Ahmed Saheb. JI being a religious party should denounce terrorism and express disagreement with the suicide bombers. Our religion the greatest promoter of human values.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Oct 2010 14:04 #
  29. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Hussain Farooqui: (1) How will that help us ?

    (2) Why will that help us ?

    P.S. JI has already issued statements in the past. They are just not being 'flouted' around by mass media.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Oct 2010 14:10 #
  30. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    W A As Salam

    JI is no doubt a prominent figure in our society with regards to religious affairs. Naturally, JI's discouragement to terrorists can make some difference. I appreciate Qazi Saheb's statement.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Oct 2010 14:13 #
  31. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Hussain Farooqui: BS!.

    They don't care what Qazi sb. says. They are criminals.

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Oct 2010 15:50 #
  32. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    hariskhan

    W Alekom As Salam

    I know that the terrorists won't care for the words of Qazi Saheb. However, Qazi Saheb has fulfilled his moral and social obligation by disagreeing with the policies of terrorists. These terrorists don't deserve any soft attitude.

    Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 12:54 #

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