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Why Islam is complicated?

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  1. There are a lot of big heavy books written on Islam, rules of it, laws of it. Most of them may be the debates of different sects.
    If a single sect is taken they too are very complex. There are again books on just a single line, debates etc..

    Personally i feel Sufism and Shiaism very complex, they use to explain very simple things in a very complicated way (starting from marfat ends on marfat).

    Why religion Islam has all these complexities? Should it not be simple enough so that every normal even uneducated person can understand it very easily?

    Posted 4 years ago on 06 Sep 2010 5:30 #
  2. fear

    islam is very simple religion, only if u follow the scripture i.e Quran and authentic Hadith of Rasool,

    If u follow braveles, sunnis, Shias, or wahabi, than it is more complicated.

    Posted 4 years ago on 06 Sep 2010 6:53 #
  3. raheb

    Islam is NOT complex, but muslims have made it. It is humen production to distort Islam and there is NO need to read anything more than Quran and then Think! Think and Think you will get it.
    Problems started what S Soldier wrote Quran "and authentic Hadith of Rasool".... that was starting point for all of distruction among muslims, WHO will decide 'authentic hadith'?
    That was First blow and laid the grounds for different sects, as everyone produce its own hadith.
    I will say, Read QURAN, and QURAN and Quran and use your head, it is not any more complicated

    Hasba-na-Kitab Allh (OMAR, HE said this in the life of Rasool)

    (Allah's BOOK is enough for us)

    raheb

    Posted 4 years ago on 06 Sep 2010 20:50 #
  4. hkbajwa

    Well i also have always been amazed at why people think the guide to life should be so **** complicated that only certain "qualified and approved" scholars can understand it and thus decide how all others must live their life.

    Just as in all other clergy-ridden religions, the mullahism that has developed in islam is the direct result of the power-politics of organized religion.

    Excluding the vast majority of the population from the process of understanding and interpreting the Quran is the perfect way for mullahs to control and subdue them. Combine this with the aura of infallibility that mullahs cultivate around themselves and you wind up with a population that does their bidding simply because they are ignorant of the mercy, tolerance and acceptance inherent in islam.

    The whole point about Islam is that it is the most natural of religions. It is the religion that allows mankind to flourish and develop rather than become a prisoner.

    Many people assume that being a good muslim means an epic battle AGAINST human nature. That's untrue. Being a good muslim means that one has to wage an epic battle FOR one's human nature.

    However this fact is obscured and hidden behind several centuries of inconsequential and frankly ignorant theological bureaucratic wrangling between various groups of mullahs who wish to "own" and control islam.

    Mind you people.. The absolute LAST THING mullahs want is for people to understand and accept Islam. These mullahs are much mroe interested in people being in a constant state of confusion about islam and thus relying heavily on mullahs.

    Mullahs say they want to spread the light of islam. Well, their very existence negates and hampers the spreading of islam unfortunately.

    Posted 4 years ago on 07 Sep 2010 6:35 #
  5. hkbajwa

    I would like to present an analogy

    Imagine Allah as a philanthropist distributing food among the poor. The religion of Islam is the food that gives our souls sustenance and the ability to carry on with life.

    Mullahs are those people who try to come between the benefactor (Allah) and beneficiaries (the poor). They are the ones who will not only dole out the food (in much smaller portions and with incorrect labels), but they will also tell the beneficiaries how they must thank God, how they must hold the spoon, how they must chew, how they must swallow and how they must say it tastes (otherwise Allah will get angry... at least that is what the mullahs say). And once it has been doled out, the mullahs will demand the loyalty of those who have benefitted (because after all it was they who ensured that allah's gift got to the poor - never mind the fact that they squeezed in between allah and his followers by force). The mullahs simply try to take credit for the gift given by Allah even though they have had nothing to do with it.

    This is why Islam has no clergy. Clergy creates a distance between the Creator and his Creation and Islam is the only religion that does not require clerical interference for Man to speak with Allah.

    I am sure the mullah-ists will deny the accuracy of such an analogy, but does anybody really expect any less of them?

    Posted 4 years ago on 07 Sep 2010 6:46 #
  6. fear

    Islam is NOT complex, but muslims have made it. It is humen production to distort Islam and there is NO need to read anything more than Quran and then Think! Think and Think you will get it.
    Problems started what S Soldier wrote Quran "and authentic Hadith of Rasool".... that was starting point for all of distruction among muslims, WHO will decide 'authentic hadith'?
    That was First blow and laid the grounds for different sects, as everyone produce its own hadith.
    I will say, Read QURAN, and QURAN and Quran and use your head, it is not any more complicated

    The Hadith are authentic source to explain the Quran, If u don't believe in Hadith it mean u don't believe in Quran,

    Not all the Hadiths are corrupted?

    "What Allah gave as booty (Fai) to His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) from the people of the townships, - it is for Allah, His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), the kindred (of Messenger Muhammad SAW), the orphans, AlMasakin (the poor), and the wayfarer, in order that it may not become a fortune used by the rich among you. And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it), and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Severe in punishment. (The Noble Quran, 59:7)

    The Authentic Prophetic Sunnah is a must-to-follow upon every true Believer!

    If u Raheb and Hqbajwa if u don't believe in Authentic Prophetic Sunnah than u are not believers.

    1- The Prophet's Sayings:

    Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, made a remarkable statement about the flies carrying antidotes:

    Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, "If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i e. the treatment for that disease." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 673)"

    Narrated Abu Huraira: "The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)

    2- The Scientific Proofs:

    The following articles are from non-Muslim Western sources.

    Article

    From http://abc.gov.au/science/articles/2002/10/01/689400.htm: (This is an official Government web site)

    The new buzz on antibiotics

    Tuesday, 1 October 2002 Danny Kingsley - ABC Science Online

    Ugly but useful: The sheep blowfly
    is one of the fly species that might
    provide humans with new
    antibiotics. (Pic: BioTrack.)

    I also would like to recommend visiting the following site from Islamic Awareness which goes in depth about the history and compilation of the Hadiths: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/.

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    Hqbajwa

    The Islam u are following is not Islam, In many ways i see that u are have rejected Quran.

    Many Times u have made statements over and above Quran.

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/mother-teresa#post-172639

    It's true that Mirza Ghlulam created a new religion, which is not Islam

    Posted 4 years ago on 07 Sep 2010 9:18 #
  7. fear

    hqbajwa

    Islam is Simple Religion But The Problem Of Qadiyanism

    Made it Really Difficult

    Being an independent non-Muslim minority is a natural and reasonable result of all that Qadiyanis chose for themselves. They caused and urged everything that result in making them a non-Muslim community. The first of which is their fabrication of the meaning of "the Last of Allah's apostles" by which they differed from all Muslims who believe in Mohammad (peace be upon him) as the Last Apostle and that there will be no apostles after him until the day of judgment takes place. This is the meaning which the Apostle's companions understood and derived from the following verse "Mohammad in not the father of any of your men, but the Apostle of Allah and the Last Apostle" (Sura Al-Ahzab verse 40). The Apostle's companions fought all those who pretended being apostles after the death of Mohammad (peace be upon him). And this was the meaning which Muslims understood from all the sources, and thus they did not and do not accept any one who pretends to be an apostle.

    Qadiyanis only, and for the first time in the history of Muslims, interpreted the Quranic phrase "The Last of the Apostles" (*Malfuzal Ahmadiya by M.Manzur Ilahi pp.290*) to mean that Mohammad is the Apostle's stamp which certifies and signs other Apostle's Messages. What we have said can be proved by the texts quoted here from Qadiyanis books and essays. Here are three quotations.

    * "The promised Christ (peace be upon him) said in his interpretation of `Khatamu Nabiyeen': what is meant is that no Prophet's message can be authorized and certified except by Mohammad's stamp. As every document is not accepted unless affirmed or confirmed by stamp and signature, so every message that is not confirmed by Mohammad's stamp is not true. (Malfuzal Ahmadiya edited by M.Manzur Ilahi pp.290)
    * "We do not deny that Mohammad (peace be upon him) was the seal of prophets, but what the majority of people understand contradicts the greatness of the prophet (peace be upon him) since it leads to the conviction that the prophet had bereft his nation from Allah's greatest favour - prophets. What is meant by this phrase is that the prophet is the seal which confirms messages after his, so there will be no prophet if not affirmed by the holy prophet Mohammad. In this meaning only we do believe". (Al-Fadl, 22 Sept 1939)
    * "The seal is the stamp, and if the holy prophet is the stamp, how can he be a stamp and no prophets to be confirmed". (Al-Fadl, 22 Sept 1923)
    * The differences between all Muslim and Qadiyanis are not limited to the explanation or the fabrication of one word "Khatem", but differences went to extremes since Qadiyanism claimed openly and frankly that not only one prophet is likely to appear after Mohammad (peace be upon him) but thousands of prophets. This is to be found in Qadiyani texts, some of which are the following "The rise of many new prophets is as clear a fact as the sun in midday". (The Reality Of Qadiyanism by Mirza Bashir Mahmud pp.228)
    * "Muslims falsely claim that the sources of Allah ran out and no more prophets will appear. They do not justly estimate God. As for me, I say that not only one prophet may appear but thousands". (Anwar Khilafat by Mirza Bashir Mahmud pp. 62)
    * "If a man sharpened swords close by my neck threateningly asking me to say that no prophet will appear after Mohammad(peace be upon him) I would say to him, you are a liar, it is right, there must be prophets after him". (Ibid. pp.65)
    .

    Posted 4 years ago on 07 Sep 2010 9:33 #
  8. raheb

    Sooper S ...so it is you who decide who is believer or NOT????
    I don't need any certificate from anyone to consider if I am a believer or not,,,,understand it.
    And who will decide which hadith is corrupted or not? You?
    Where in Quran Allah has said to follow Hadith???

    Quran do not need any further explaination by anyone, as it explains itself and it is COMPLETED. If you enter something more from outside then how can we consider that it is a complete Deen??
    When and where Prophet said to follow his hadith?
    How many hadith books prophet gave us beside Quran?

    If SS you can use some of your brain cells, and STOP listening to Mullaism, so may be you can become little clever, BUT I don't think you want it?? It is easy ways because thinking from own mind is probably one of the most difficult things,,,,

    raheb

    Posted 4 years ago on 07 Sep 2010 21:24 #
  9. fear

    Raheb

    Sooper S ...so it is you who decide who is believer or NOT????
    I don't need any certificate from anyone to consider if I am a believer or not,,,,understand it.
    And who will decide which hadith is corrupted or not? You?

    If u reject authentic hadith it mean u are rejecting the Laws and rules of Quran, I give u simple example, there is whole Sura Hajj in Quran but nowhere the procedure of Hajj is written, where we got the procedure, obviously from Hadith

    Where in Quran Allah has said to follow Hadith???

    In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful
    All praise be to Allah, and peace be upon His slaves whom He has chosen.

    1. It was among the duties of all messengers to make the message clear

    The Qur'an 14:4, {And We have never sent a messenger except with the tongue of his people that he might make clear to them.}

    2. Allah Most High taught His Messenger and explained the Qur'an to him

    The Qur'an 75:16-19, {Move not your tounge with it to hasten it. Surely it is upon Us to gather it and to recite it. So, when We recite it, follow its recitation. Then surely it is upon Us to make it clear.}

    The Qur'an 4:113, {And He has sent down upon you the Book and the wisdom, and has taught you what you did not know before.}

    3. Among the duties of the Messenger of Allah is to teach the Book and the wisdom

    The Qur'an 16:44, {And We have sent down unto you the revelations (al-Dhikr) that you might make clear to humankind that which has been sent down to them.}

    The Qur'an 62:2, {He it is who has sent among the unlettered ones a messenger of their own; to recite unto them His ayah-s (verses), and to purify them, and to teach them the Book and the wisdom.}

    4. Allah has inspired His Messenger the wisdom

    The Qur'an 4:113, {And He has sent down upon you the Book and the wisdom,and has taught you what you did not know before.}

    The Qur'an 33:34, {And mention that which is recited in your houses of the ayah-s of Allah and the wisdom.}

    The Qur'an 53:1-4, {By the star when it goes down, your companion is neither astray nor being misled, nor does he speak of desire, it is naught except an inspiration (wahy) that is inspired.}

    5. Allah has guided and protected His Messenger from any error

    The Qur'an 42:52-53, {. . . and surely you guide unto a straight path. The path of Allah . . .}

    The Qur'an 68:4, {And surely you are upon a mighty morality.}

    The Qur'an 53:1-4, {By the star when it goes down, your companion is neither astray nor being misled, nor does he speak of desire, it is naught except an inspiration that is inspired.}

    The Qur'an 4:80, {Whoever obeys the Messenger, he thereby surely has obeyed
    Allah. . .}

    6. Allah has commanded us to submit fully to the authority of His Messenger
    and to obey him

    The Qur'an 4:65, {But nay, by your Lord, they will not believe until they make you the judge of what is in dispute between them, then they shall find in themselves no dislike of that which you have decreed, and submit in full
    submission.}

    The Qur'an 33:36, {It is not for a believing man nor a believing women, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter, to have the choice in their affair; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has surely gone astray
    in manifest error.}

    The Qur'an 4:59, {O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger and those of you who are in authority; and if you have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and His Messenger if you believe in Allah and the
    Last Day; that is best and more suitable to the end.}

    The Qur'an 3:32, {Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger. But if they turn away, surely Allah does not love the disbelievers.}

    The Qur'an 4:80, {Whoever obeys the Messenger, he thereby surely has obeyed Allah, and whoever turns away--We have not send you as a watcher over them.}

    7. Allah has commanded us to take His Messenger as the perfect example and to follow him

    The Qur'an 3:31-32, {Say: If you love Allah, then follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger. But if they turn away, surely Allah does not love the disbelievers.}

    The Qur'an 33:21, {Verily in the Messenger of Allah you have a good example for whoever hopes for Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much.}

    8. Allah has promised good reward for those who obey and follow His Messenger

    The Qur'an 4:69, {Whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger--they are with those whom Allah has shown favor, of the prophets, the truthful, the martyrs and
    the rigthous; and the best of company are they!}

    9. Allah has promised punishment for those who disobey His Messenger

    The Qur'an 24:63, {. . . So let those who go against his (the Prophet)
    command beware, lest a trial befall them, or there befall them a painful chastisement.}

    The Qur'an 4:115, {And whoever opposes the Messenger after the guidance has been manifested unto him, and follows other than the believers' way, We appoint for him that unto which he has turned, and expose him him unto hell--a hapless journey's end!}

    The Qur'an 72:23, {. . . And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, surely his is hell-fire, wherin such dwell forever.}

    10. Allah has promised to guard His religion, Islam

    The Qur'an 15:9, {Surely it is We who have sent down the revelations (al-Dhikr), and We surely are its Guardian.}

    The Qur'an 5:3, {. . . Today I have perfected your religion for you, and have completed My favor upon you, and have approved for you Islam as
    religion. . .}

    The Qur'an 3:19, {Verily, the religion with Allah is Islam. . .}

    The Qur'an 3:85, {And whoever seeks other than Islam as religion, it will not be accepted from him; and in the Hereafter, he will be among the losers.}

    The Qur'an 9:33, 61:9, {He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of the Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, even though the disbelievers are averse.}

    The Qur'an 48:28, {He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of the Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, and Allah suffices as a Witness.}

    Quran do not need any further explaination by anyone, as it explains itself and it is COMPLETED. If you enter something more from outside then how can we consider that it is a complete Deen??
    When and where Prophet said to follow his hadith?
    How many hadith books prophet gave us beside Quran?

    Ok Man if u are true than explain it from Quran

    1. The Procedure for Salath (Namaz)

    2. The Procedure of Hajj

    ====================

    I said the hadith which don't conflict with Quranic Law, u must follow it, because if u reject it. Than surely u are rejecting the Sunna of Prophet.

    Posted 4 years ago on 08 Sep 2010 0:38 #
  10. @hqbajwa
    great analaogy, perfect analogy... there should be someone between Mulaah and Allah too. :P

    @Sulfer Smeller
    1)

    islam is very simple religion, only if u follow the scripture i.e Quran and authentic Hadith of Rasool,

    Which one is simple Quran? or Hadith?
    Quran is only one
    Hadith books are too many.. Which one simplifies Islam?
    How a person can easily understand Islam easily if get into those extra books?

    You said 'authentic'. Which hadiths one can say are authentic and which hadith are not?
    Does hadith authenticate hadith itself? or is there something else for that?
    If another hadith is used to tell wether a hadith is right or wrong, what about that hadith?
    If yuo say taabeeen or taba tabeein etc etc i dont know that huge listing, How can you still say Islam is simple????

    2)

    Narrated Abu Huraira: "The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."

    This is the most funny thing... this is why and how enemies of islam make mockery of muslims.
    If a fly falls in drink instead of throwing it out dip it.. wow, next part would be to suck that fly to cure the remaining diseases...

    You may remember that once someone asked a great molana who was the son of a great molana that "can the verses of Quran be written with --- (the worst thing) in some special case (what case that could be?)" and after some 'research' that molana given the fatwa (or whatever) that "verses of Quran can be written with ---".

    For the people who can think with their brains and have some common sense. The asker must be slapped first and then slap that molana.
    For people like you it is research work that only Ulamahs know better, and can only be proven with Hadith.

    What if there was no hadith? Would you have rejected Quran because you did not have any thing to authenticate words of Allah?

    Posted 4 years ago on 08 Sep 2010 18:59 #
  11. fear

    LIFE

    Hadith books are too many.. Which one simplifies Islam?
    How a person can easily understand Islam easily if get into those extra books?

    The best book after Quran is Sahi Bukhari!. The Most Hadith of Bukhari are authentic u can't reject them.

    You said 'authentic'. Which hadiths one can say are authentic and which hadith are not?
    Does hadith authenticate hadith itself? or is there something else for that?
    If another hadith is used to tell wether a hadith is right or wrong, what about that hadith?
    If yuo say taabeeen or taba tabeein etc etc i dont know that huge listing, How can you still say Islam is simple????

    I would like to recommend visiting the following site from Islamic Awareness which goes in depth about the history and compilation of the Hadiths: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/.

    The link will give u every answer

    This is the most funny thing... this is why and how enemies of islam make mockery of muslims.
    If a fly falls in drink instead of throwing it out dip it.. wow, next part would be to suck that fly to cure the remaining diseases...

    Making fun of Saying of Rasool, the Hidayat is not in my hand. May Allah give ur the guidance to understand the Hadith. And Soon ur Fun will over. But when u fun will end (Please remember me once)

    What if there was no hadith? Would you have rejected Quran because you did not have any thing to authenticate words of Allah?

    Same Question to U, If there where no Hadith than

    1. Where u get the procedure for offering Salath

    2. Where u get the Procedure for Hajj

    3. How do u give the Charity (Zakat)

    4. How will u perform a Fast

    Posted 4 years ago on 08 Sep 2010 19:34 #
  12. raheb

    Moulana Soldier (as you have come out from Patari)that you are a Mullah......I REJECT Bukhari and company as they were responsible to destroy true sense of Islam (probably it was not his intention, but result is unfortunate) I wish Bukhari and others should not collect any Hadith, WHY they did it??
    What was the purpose?
    A typical argument of a Mullah is that how we did salaat or hajj??? Mulla! what you think what could have happen if we did not get these fairy tales from Bukhari? Do you think muslims should still sit and waiting for to know how to do salaat or hajj????? If procedure would be so Important WHY ALLAH did not mentioned in CONSTITUTION (Quran)?? Do Salaat and Hajj is written then what is the problem how to do??
    Is it important for Allah how to do it? If yes! HE should wrote it in Quran.
    Mulla's how have you learned to ride a cycle, to write with a pen, to use a computer, etc. etc. which of the hadith teach you all that?

    raheb

    Posted 4 years ago on 08 Sep 2010 21:57 #
  13. fear

    Raheb and Lifeh20

    Here are my detail question to you. I said please answer them with the Ayah of Quran. DON'T GIVE ur Personal Opinion

    1. Without opening the books of Hadith please show me From the verse of Quran the procedure for offering Salath

    2. Without opening the books of Hadith show me what is the procedure for doing Hajj

    3. Show me the Detail of FAST, Mean the detail about Fasting

    4. Show me on what amount of Gold or Silver the man is bound to Pay Zakat

    5. Show the reason for why Jihad is not allowed during Makkah.

    Posted 4 years ago on 09 Sep 2010 0:11 #
  14. @Sulfer... How you added that image?? How you use to add images of verses?

    The best book after Quran is Sahi Bukhari!. The Most Hadith of Bukhari are authentic u can't reject them.

    HOW? If Bukhari can rectified hadiths collection that time why it can not be done now again?

    Making fun of Saying of Rasool, the Hidayat is not in my hand.

    I beleive from my heart that this is NOT the saying of Rasool. Ask any medical doctor, is it really safe if a fly falls into food or drink

    Same Question to U, If there where no Hadith than"

    [16:123] http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/16/123/default.htm (all religious practices, which came to us through Abraham, were intact at the time of Muhammad)

    Answer the questions asked by raheb. how have you learned to ride a cycle, to write with a pen, to use a computer, etc. etc. which of the hadith teach you all that?
    Any hadith about how to ride a horse? How to use and hold sword in war, position? etc..

    How hadith proves simplification of Islam? It makes Islam complicated. A friend once notified me that "not a single person do Salaat correctly. The real salaat is so difficult to be prayed be us. There are many small things in salaat that we dont know and often neglect."

    Posted 4 years ago on 09 Sep 2010 1:44 #
  15. hkbajwa

    The fantastic thing about the Quran is that it lays out PRINCIPLES rather than LAWS.

    The principle of Zakat is an extremely important one. Not because XYZ share is to be deposited, but rather because it makes taxes and public spending a communal issue. The actual percentages will always depend on the wealth and needs of the community, but that is left up to the community itself to decide. The only inviolable instruction is that all members of the community have to contribute to the upkeep and maintenance of government and welfare... Quran gives us the tool, and humans are to decide how to use it.

    Salaat is another issue. Does God care about ritual or does he care about the prayer in Man's heart?? There are at least 73 different variations of the ritual of prayer and there are even hadith to prove that the Prophet (pbuh) employed all of them. What does it matter what the ritual was? The important thing that the Quran says is that man must pray and show his gratitude to Allah. Some people do that with their arms crossed, others without.. Some raise their finger when referring to Allah, others don't... And then there are some who sit on a mountaintop in solitude and pray to Allah in a seated lotus position. Does Allah look at the ritual or does he look at the content and intent of the prayer??

    It's a classical mullah mistake to focus on the irrelevant minutiae to such an extent that the actual purpose of the Quranic edicts are lost. Instead of teaching people how to focus on their prayer, they teach people to focus on the ritual and movements... well done.. very helpful indeed.

    It's the same thing with fasting... Mullahs say that were it not for the hadith, we would not know how to fast. That again is nonsense. Please tell me which hadith indicates how to fast if you live north of the arctic circle where day and night are 6 months long? That's right... NO HADITH FOR THAT.. So for that mankind will have to derive the proper way to fast there on its own accord.. by that it means that the procedure for fasting is a HUMAN CONSTRUCT... the only thing that is of vital importance in the Quran is that mankind must go through a period of controlling its instincts and desires for a month every year.

    Same thing about the Hajj. The objective of Hajj is to bring together muslims from all over the planet to pray together. It is a possibility for muslims to meet across national, cultural, ethnic and sectarian borders. What an amazing opportunity it is. What does ritual matter then?

    The fact is that ritual is of such vital importance only to those people who make their living and gain their power from religion.

    Since pondering and understanding the philosophical and psychological impact of Quranic teaching is usually too complicated for mullahs, they take something that is totally irrelevant in the universal scheme of things and make it so d@mn complicated that people are forced to turn to them to sort out the confusion.

    We all speak of the Golden Age of Islam, but does anybody know why it came to an end?? It came to an end because the muslim empire disintegrated under the weight of warring mullahs who created factions around themselves based on things as irrelevant as whether one raises his finger when taking Allahs name or not. If a man belonged to a faction that raised its finger and did so in a mosque where the local mullah said NOT to raise the finger, he was liable to be killed or at the least beaten up. And why is that?? Because the mullahs would convince their congregation that deviation from ritual amounted to heresy and heretics were wajib-ul-katl (another mullah invention that has no basis in Islam)

    Taking guidance from the hadith is a CHOICE because Allah says that ALL ANSWERS can be found in the Quran. Finding the answers in the QUran may sometimes mean that people look to the hadith and that's wonderful for them.

    But to say that the Quran is "incomplete" or "beyond human understanding" without the Hadith is a downright lie perpetuated by mullahs only to maintain their relevance. Not to mention that is directly contradicts the verses that speak of the COMPLETION OF THE FAITH.

    Hadith were compiled and written more than a CENTURY after the death of the Prophet (pbuh) and even after the righteous caliphs. Add to that the fact that ANY historian would show that the process of verifying the "authenticity" of the hadith is massively floawed.

    Unfortunately it seems unlikely that mullahs the world over will allow the hadith to be seen for what they are: a compilation of sayings attributed to the Prophet( pbuh) but without any guarantee other than the guarantee of men who lived a century or more later than the Prophet (pbuh).

    Puhleeze!

    Posted 4 years ago on 09 Sep 2010 5:51 #
  16. HKB, you said it all. Thank you.

    Posted 4 years ago on 09 Sep 2010 8:20 #
  17. fear

    Moulana Soldier (as you have come out from Patari)that you are a Mullah......I REJECT Bukhari and company as they were responsible to destroy true sense of Islam (probably it was not his intention, but result is unfortunate) I wish Bukhari and others should not collect any Hadith, WHY they did it??

    Sahi bukhari is authentic book after Quran, It's rejection mean u directly rejecting the Sunna of Prophet

    The Nature Of Hadith Collections Of Imam Al-Bukhari & Muslim

    Intoduction
    Over the years, Christian missionaries have solidified their reputation for embracing zealous new recruits. One fresh addition to this delegation of holy servicemen is the neophyte, Andrew Vargo. More often than not, the missionaries have overlooked the academic backgrounds of these fresh recruits, apparently intoxicated by their impassioned hatred for Islam. Mr. Vargo has recently tried his hand as a student of comparative religion, introducing some of the most fantastic ideas yet to the discourse. Among these ideas is a rather boastful claim concerning the collection of ahadith by the great Muslim scholar, Imam al-Bukhari (d. 256 AH). The highlight of Vargo's claim lies in the following:

    In fact, it is difficult, in spite of the Muslim "science" of Hadith to know which traditions are strong or weak! For example, Bukhari collected over 600,000 reports, but kept only 7,397 as true!

    This is one of the most popular claims concerning the vast collection of ahadith of al-Bukhari in the Christian missionary literature and comes with fanciful explanations. For example, Anis Shorrosh, a well-known Arab missionary, says:

    ... Bukhari, collected twenty thousand of them, of which he rejected ten thousand, accounting them untrue. Of the remaining ten thousand he accepted only 7,275, declaring the rest to be untrustworthy. Abu Da'ud accepted as authentic only 4,800 rules out 50,000.

    Similarly we find Norman Geisler and Abdul Saleeb claiming that:

    ...Bukhari, considered to be the most reliable collector, admitted that of the 300,000 hadith he collected, he considered only 100,000 might be true. He then narrowed this number down to 7,275, many of which are repetitions so that the total number is in fact near 3,000. That means that even he admitted there were errors in over 295,000 of them!

    Nearly a similar statement is repeated by Geisler in his Baker Encyclopedia Of Christian Apologetics to cast doubts on the miracles performed by the Prophet Muhammad. Abdiyah Akbar Abdul-Haqq, on the other hand, labels what al-Bukhari did not include in his collection as "apocryphal".

    As to the abundance of the apocryphal traditions, we learn that the famous authority al-Bukhari choose only 7,000 out of a host of 600,000 traditions that were current in his on time.

    Similar statements were made by John Ankerberg and John Weldon, who quoted a "Muslim scholar".[5]

    Not surprising is the case of Rand Corporation, who have published an interesting report on Islam entitled "Civil Democratic Islam: Partners, Resources, and Strategies". The report has two fold agenda: firstly, to try to create a version of Islam that suits the post-9/11 Western agenda and secondly encouraging creation of divisions in the Muslim society at home and abroad. The Rand Report's recipe to achieve this aim is to encourage and promote the so-called modernist Muslims and play one section of the society against another to split the Muslim society. A small example of it can be seen when the report uses the material from the hadith-rejectors (not surprisingly!) to claim "objectively" that:

    Even if that were not the case, objectively speaking, there is little doubt that hadith is at best a dubious, flawed instrument. Consider that Al-Bukhari is the compiler of what is generally considered to be the most authoritative and reliable collections of hadith. He collected 600,000 hadith, examined them for their authenticity, eliminated all but 7,600 of them, deleted some for redundancy, and was left with a collection of about 4,000.
    As we shall see, feisty statements such as the above only prove to be self-defeating in the end. This article intends to examine missionaries' thesis in light of the scholarship of Imam al-Bukhari, and thereby ascertain the actual worth of their claim.

    To appreciate the broader perspective, we will also include a discussion of Imam Muslim's ahadith collection, insha'allah.

    2. Imam Bukhari & The Nature Of His Collection

    Vargo, Shorrosh, Geisler, Abdul Saleeb, Abdul-Haqq and Benard have practically begged the question for us already - where exactly did Imam al-Bukhari mention that among the 600,000 ahadith in his collection, only 7,397 are to be accepted as 'true'? They maintains the missionary tradition of conveniently omitting any references that would not support their thesis; the mark of a true academicians, indeed! Once again, it is left to the Muslims to enlighten the ill-informed missionaries on this matter.

    Imam al-Bukhari's actual words have been reproduced below:

    * The two sahih collections did not gather the totality of the authentic ahadith as proved by al-Bukhari's testimony: "I have not included in my book al-Jami but what is authentic, and I left out among the authentic for fear of [excessive] length.(Footnote 2)"

    Footnote 2 says:

    He [al-Bukhari] meant that he did not mention all the turuq [parallel chains of transmission] for each and every hadith.

    To reiterate this in elementary English, Imam al-Bukhari selected only a few authentic ahadith from his vast collection. However, he left out certain traditions, despite their authenticity, simply to avoid excessive length and repetition in his Al-Jami` (a discussion about which is given below). If anything, the privilege to make such a gesture is highly complimentary to the authenticity of the Islamic traditions. In another tradition, Imam al-Bukhari is also reported to have said:

    He said, I heard as-Sadani say, I heard some of our companions say, Muhammad Ibn Ismail said: I selected/published [the content of] this book - meaning the Sahih book - from about 600,000 hadiths/reports. Abu Sad al-Malini informed us that Abdullah Ibn Udayy informed us: I heard al-Hasan Ibn al-Husayn al-Bukhari say: "I have not included in my book al-Jami but what is authentic, and I left out among the authentic what I could not get hold of."
    The above quotation reflects Imam al-Bukhari's gallant honesty to admit that he was not able to collect each and every authentic tradition that existed in his day. Rather, his Al-Jami those that were authentic, and I left out many more authentic traditions than this to avoid unnecessary length." He had no intention of collecting all the authentic traditions. He only wanted to compile a manual of hadith, according to the wishes of his Shaikh Ishaq b. Rahwaih, and his function is quite clear from the title of his book al-Jami and retained what was void of defect, and left out what had some defect.

    3. Imam Muslim & The Nature Of His Collection

    Imam Muslim said: "I have not included in my present book any thing but with proof [regarding authenticity] , and I have not left out anything but with proof". He also said: I did not include everything that I judge authentic/Sahih, I only included what received a unanimous agreement, i.e., what fulfilled all the criteria of authenticity agreed upon [by the scholars].

    And Muslim has presented [his collection] to the scholars of his time, like Imam Abu Zar and left out many authentic narrations from his vast collection for the fear of excessive length.

    Again, according to the Vargo:

    In fact, it is difficult, in spite of the Muslim "science" of Hadith to know which traditions are strong or weak!

    We should wonder whether the neophyte is as quick to demonstrate the same puerile enthusiasm over the question of his own religious texts. Regardless, we will quote the famous trial of Imam al-Bukhari to show how maqlub[14] (changed, reversed) ahadith can be identified with ease by a scholar of hadith:

    The famous trial of al-Bukhari by the scholars of Baghdad provides a good example of a Maqlub isnad. The traditionists, in order to test their visitor, al-Bukhari, appointed ten men, each with ten ahadith. Now, each hadith (text) of these ten people was prefixed with the isnad of another. Imam al-Bukhari listened to each of the ten men as they narrated their ahadith and denied the correctness of every hadith. When they had finished narrating these ahadith, he addressed each person in turn and recounted to him each of his ahadith with its correct isnad. This trial earned him great honour among the scholars of Baghdad.

    Finally, it is worth citing a significant trend in modern Western scholarship of the Prophetic traditions of Islam. For the past several decades, criticism of these traditions has been the Orientalist's whipping post, an opportunity to invalidate the traditions of Islam, which culminated in the work of Joseph Schacht, mentioned earlier. However, this position has practically been reversed in recent times, with the advent of academic honesty on the part of Western scholars. Professor John Esposito of Georgetown University has made the following counter-criticism of Schacht's traditional position:

    Accepting Schacht's conclusion regarding the many traditions he did examine does not warrant its automatic extension to all the traditions. To consider all Prophetic traditions apocryphal until proven otherwise is to reverse the burden of proof. Moreover, even where differences of opinion exist regarding the authenticity of the chain of narrators, they need not detract from the authenticity of a tradition's content and common acceptance of the importance of tradition literature as a record of the early history and development of Islamic belief and practice.[16]

    The position of Esposito perhaps reflects the growing attitude among Western educational institutions that entertain any study of Islam and its traditions. This is simply evidenced by the fact that Professor Esposito has become one of the reigning authorities on Islam in the West, whose textbooks are considered university standards for courses on Islam.

    Considering the missionaries' abuse of hadiths to denigrate the Prophet(P) of Islam, it would be too generous to assume that Vargo, Shorrosh, Geisler and Abdul Saleeb "misunderstood" the nature of the collection of Imam al-Bukhari. As for the Rand Corporation's report, their "objectivity" lies in the unverified use of source material. An honest misunderstanding entails at least some understanding of the issue, which doesn't even seem to be their case. Perhaps the Christian missionaries might consider beginning a genuine study of the science of hadith before they embarrasses themselves further.
    Acknowledgements

    We would like to thank Abu Hudhayfah for providing us necessary help and allowing us to use his material.

    And Allah knows best!

    Posted 4 years ago on 09 Sep 2010 12:47 #
  18. fear

    See Raheb,LIFE, Hqbajwa,

    I have presented above the detailed answer u are following the Guideline of Christian Missionaries. As u proved ur self to be follower of Christian missioners by rejecting the authentic saying of Rasool Complied by Great Sochalar Imam Bukhari

    وَمَا عَلَيْنَا إِلَّا الْبَلَاغُ الْمُبِينُ

    ‘And our duty is only to convey plainly.’

    Hidayat is not in my Hand (As Allah give Hidayat to people). I can only convey plainly

    I would like to recommend visiting the following site from Islamic Awareness which goes in depth about the history and compilation of the Hadiths: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/.

    Posted 4 years ago on 09 Sep 2010 13:09 #
  19. "Why Islam is complicated?"

    A: Because of people with little brains and big egos. Who think they know everything and what their prophet said or did, be damned... Nauzbillah

    Posted 4 years ago on 09 Sep 2010 13:10 #
  20. raheb

    Soldier, Are some sort of a Stupid person that without replying to others question you put counterquestions??? And same questions you repeat again and again but not bother what others asked for??????????

    You are a bookworm but Islam insist thinking. You have not one single own thinking but references.... what you head says, NOTHING but only a believe.... ok keep it, but people like you are real destroyers of Islam. Like you people give a Very POOR name to Islam as you are unable to understand it just like a Mulla- The Idiots

    raheb

    Posted 4 years ago on 09 Sep 2010 22:44 #
  21. fear

    A typical argument of a Mullah is that how we did salaat or hajj??? Mulla! what you think what could have happen if we did not get these fairy tales from Bukhari? Do you think muslims should still sit and waiting for to know how to do salaat or hajj????? If procedure would be so Important WHY ALLAH did not mentioned in CONSTITUTION (Quran)?? Do Salaat and Hajj is written then what is the problem how to do??

    Now what are ur questions, U call bukhari the most authentic book after Quran "A Fairy Tale" tommorow ur view will be same on Quran. Infact the man is very serious in collecting the Hadith

    He said, I heard as-Sadani say, I heard some of our companions say, Muhammad Ibn Ismail said: I selected/published [the content of] this book - meaning the Sahih book - from about 600,000 hadiths/reports. Abu Sad al-Malini informed us that Abdullah Ibn Udayy informed us: I heard al-Hasan Ibn al-Husayn al-Bukhari say: "I have not included in my book al-Jami but what is authentic, and I left out among the authentic what I could not get hold of."
    The above quotation reflects Imam al-Bukhari's gallant honesty to admit that he was not able to collect each and every authentic tradition that existed in his day. Rather, his Al-Jami those that were authentic, and I left out many more authentic traditions than this to avoid unnecessary length." He had no intention of collecting all the authentic traditions. He only wanted to compile a manual of hadith, according to the wishes of his Shaikh Ishaq b. Rahwaih, and his function is quite clear from the title of his book al-Jami and retained what was void of defect, and left out what had some defect.

    Today many people solve problem with the help of Hadith.

    Answer the questions asked by raheb. how have you learned to ride a cycle, to write with a pen, to use a computer, etc. etc. which of the hadith teach you all that?

    Life h20 and Raheb both are showing ur Childish Attitude. Bycycles are know vanishing from the world why because now the Cars and motor cycle have take their place, The world don't need bicycle anymore, Same is case of Computers, a few years ago typwriter techonoly was common, now can u please tell me how to use typewriters. They are not universal, why the world don't care for bicycles. If u don't want to believe than not believe, i have cleared everything to u.

    Posted 4 years ago on 10 Sep 2010 0:14 #
  22. raheb

    Very right Sodier! A childrish question should be answered on a childish level, as you way of thinking is childish so you are unable to understand a mature language, so one have to try to make you understand with childish examples. You see, you could not reply that from where you have learned a lot of things without seeing and finding any hadith about it. Exactly if Bukhari and company should do a favoure to Islam and should not bother to collect material after 150 years of death of Prophet we could ourself find the way how to do salaat and hajj. No need of explaination.

    raheb

    Posted 4 years ago on 12 Sep 2010 20:31 #
  23. fear

    raheb and Life h2o

    There is always resitriction in Islam, If u do rape, Islam has restriction on it, it doesn't mean that Islam is complicated. If u listen music it take to away from the remembrance of Allah, It doesn't mean that Islam is completed.

    When u follow desires, than it is more complicated

    Posted 4 years ago on 14 Sep 2010 6:28 #
  24. raheb

    I am by NO Way from Allah.... with listening music.

    SS! STOP your bla, bla, bla,bla...................NON SENSE

    raheb

    Posted 4 years ago on 14 Sep 2010 18:59 #
  25. @SS
    The complications are not the rules, complications are those extra huge books and explanation of simple small little things.. they are more then enough

    Posted 4 years ago on 14 Sep 2010 21:35 #
  26. fear

    raheb

    I am by NO Way from Allah.... with listening music.

    SS! STOP your bla, bla, bla,bla...................NON SENSE

    This is not a way how true muslim behave, Your way of Talking surely tell how u are closer to ALLAH.

    ================

    Deserted LIFE

    The complications are not the rules, complications are those extra huge books and explanation of simple small little things.. they are more then enough

    Who created these restrictions. Can u tell me if u stop a heavy drinker from drinking. What is his response. He will say i will leave every religion but i can't leave wine.
    Mostly of the people are following their desires not the deen of Allah. That's why they say islam is complicated.

    Posted 4 years ago on 15 Sep 2010 8:48 #
  27. "This is not a way how true muslim behave, Your way of Talking surely tell how u are closer to ALLAH." Do you really know yourself?
    anyway, you are talking about wine. Do you even know what is wine? What are its health effects? Why it is bad? If you stop me from drinking for example, i'll surely ask you whats wrong with it. If you dont know whats wrong with it how would you convince me to leave it?

    Posted 4 years ago on 15 Sep 2010 23:55 #
  28. hardrighter

    @LifeH2O, raheb:

    I don't think you can completely leave hadith out if you have really read the Quran. In many places, the Quran makes no sense at all on its own. One example is 4:3. Grammatically, the sentence makes no sense, until you know about the hadith in which Ayesha explains the situation of a man who was guardian to a girl and wanted to marry her for her wealth.

    You have to keep in mind that the Quran is simply a collection of the words of Allah to the Prophet that he spoke to him during his daily dealings with the people around him. And many times the words Allah spoke to the Prophet do not include the complete situation at hand. Islam gets complicated when different scholars interpret those situations differently.

    I don't think you can completely drop the hadith to understand the Quran, you will have to skip many parts of it.

    I am not saying hadith have to be "followed". But the hadith have to be taken as the written history of the situations belonging to the verses of the Quran. And their authenticity should be analyzed like it is for any other historical record.

    @super soldier:
    The hadith are not required to get information regarding Hajj or Salat. There is no single hadith that will give you the procedures we follow today.
    The truth is if you start finding all the hadith where the procedure for Salat is mentioned in bits and pieces, you will come to the conclusion that this was never needed.
    These procedures have been coming to us in the form of copying from one generation to the next, and even those procedures are not required by Allah.
    The hadith are not required to formulate Islamic Laws. At least the Quran doesn't specify that anywhere.

    Posted 4 years ago on 17 Sep 2010 1:37 #
  29. @hard
    I am not denying or completely rejecting Hadith's, i can not.
    Collection of Hadees is a very big knowledge base. But it does not mean that each and every word of it is as authentic and as pure as Quran. We must believe in Quran. Hadith is not like that anyway.

    Those who say that hadith is correct also devised a story about stone like memory of Arabs.

    Let say, even if you are my brother i won't believe you if you say anything stupid or non-sense about my father. If any hadith is doing the same i wont believe. If any hadith is colliding the words of Quran, i will never believe it.. so on.

    If Quran does not talk about many tiny miny matters it means that i am free to choose any 'good' way. It is up to me, culture etc..
    What Hadith gives is the culture and styles of Arabs, we are not arabs. We are free to do according to our culture. If you like to live like them, you are free.

    Posted 4 years ago on 17 Sep 2010 11:05 #
  30. The reason i was saying Islam is complicated is that if you ask a Question from someone. Instead of making it simple they use to make it more complicated.
    One of my friend says that "sab ghalat nmaz parhtey, asal nmaz parhna to intehai mushkil hay"
    When i ask a question from a Shia friend instead of telling simply he moves to Karbala, marfat of Hazrat Ali (RA) some hadiths and stories about those people and my question remain as it is..
    In rohaani digest (i think they are sufis) they do almost the same, their answers all revolve around rohaaniat, marfat, lights and other stuff like that.

    I am witnessing the same here from very knowledgeable persons, they use to give a lot of references instead of giving answers of my question (actually avoid answering) and tell me to believe and stick to what they have already told. (why should i believe when they are unable to satisfy me)

    Posted 4 years ago on 17 Sep 2010 11:20 #
  31. hardrighter

    @LifeH2O:

    Yes you are correct about hadith only telling us about the CULTURE of Arabs at that time.

    But I think you are wrong when you say you can't "believe" in some hadith if you think it is against the Quran in your opinion.

    You can talk about "belief" or "disbelief" regarding Quran, but not about hadith.

    Regarding hadith, you have talk about the level of authenticity. For example, if your brother says something stupid about your father, you might not "believe" him, but if you know, from other sources (such as experience, your mother, your brothers teachers that you trust etc.) that he is normally a very honest person, then you must sideline your "belief" about what he said, and actually try to investigate if what he said was really true or not. Because your 'disbelief' in him is just your emotional reaction based on your own knowledge which is after all limited.

    This investigation is called "Science of hadith" .. Its a very lengthy process, and is certainly fallible, especially when the chain of narrators reaches one of the Sahaba. Regarding Sahaba, their infallibility is taken from the Quran !!! which in my opinion is the basis of ALL WRONG interpretations of Islam.

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Sep 2010 22:07 #
  32. To see the authenticity of the Hadith the most reliable source is Quran, if it is against Quran why one should go in detail of narrators?

    Also When i 'believe' that my father (referring Prophet(PBUH)) is 'absolutely perfect' person, why would i ask others or seek for the truthfulness of that statement.

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Sep 2010 23:00 #
  33. fayyaz214

    LifeH2O, Islam is very simple, if one is willing to give up (perhaps gradually) arrogance, extreme love of this world, jealousy, blind following of forefathers. Otherwise it is pretty complex. Try explaining to someone that telling the truth is a good thing. A simple concept, but if the person you are addressing has a lot to lose by telling the truth, it will be difficult to explain. So in some cases, it is not the message but the state of heart of the person getting the message that makes Islam complex.

    Another reason Islam appears to be complex is that, people talking about it, may not know what they are talking about. If you have been to Lahore, it is easy to explain to someone what Lahore is like and answer his questions, but if you have not been there and you have read few books about it, it will be difficult to explain and answer questions about it. So people who have not internalized message of Islam, when they explain it, they don't know what they are talking about and end up making it complex.

    Am I answering the question you asked or did I miss the point?

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Sep 2010 5:29 #
  34. fear

    Hardrighter and LIFE H2)

    Sunnah or Hadith is the second source from which the teachings of Islam are drawn. Hadith literally means a saying conveyed to man, but in Muhaditheen's terminology Hadith means sayings of the Prophet, his action or practice of his silent approval of the action or practice. Hadith and Sunnah are used interchangeably, but sometimes these are used for different meanings.

    To deal with the topic it is necessary to know the position of the Prophet in Islam, because the indispensibility of Hadith depends upon the position of the Prophet.

    Analyzing the problem we can visualize three possibilities:

    1. The duty of the Prophet was only to convey the message and nothing more was required from him.

    2. He had not only to convey the message but also to act upon it and to explain it. But all that was for the specified period and after his death Qur'an is sufficient to guide humanity.

    3. No doubt he had to convey the Divine Message but it was also his duty to act upon it and to explain it to the people. His actions and explanations are a source of guidance forever. His sayings, actions, practices and explanations are a source of light for every Muslim in every age.

    The learned men of the Muslim Millat are of the unanimous view that only the third point is the correct assessment of the Prophet's position in Islam. The Qur'an contains dozens of reminders of the important position of the Prophet. For instance the Qur'an says:

    "And verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the last day and remembereth Allah much." [Al-Ahzab 31]

    According to this verse, every Muslim is bound to have the good example of the Prophet as an ideal in life. In another verse he has been made a 'Hakam' for the Muslims by Allah Almighty. No one remains Muslim if he does not accept the Prophet's decisions and judgements:

    "But no, by thy Lord, they can have no real faith until they make thee judge in all disputes between them and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions but accept them with the fullest conviction."[An-Nisa: 65]

    While explaining the qualities of Muslims the Qur'an says:

    "The answer of the believers, when summoned to Allah and His apostle, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this: They say: we hear and we obey." [An-Nur: 51]

    In many places the Qur'an has given its verdict on this issue. The Qur'an says:

    "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger." [An-Nisa 59]

    and

    "Whatever the Messenger giveth you take it and whatever he forbiddeth abstain from it." [Al-Hashr: 7]

    Qur'an is very clear in expressing its view on the position of the Prophet. According to the Qur'an the Prophet has four capacities and he must be obeyed in every capacity. He is Muallim wa Murabbee he is Shaari one who explains the Book, he is a law-giver and judge, and he is a ruler. In all these capacities he is an ideal example for the Muslims. I am quoting a few verses of the Holy Book just to give a hint of this topic.

    "Allah did confer a great favour on the believers when He sentamong them an apostle from among themselves rehearsing untothem the signs of Allah, sanctifying them in scripture andwisdom while, before that, they had been in manifest error." [Al-Imran: 164]

    "And We have sent down unto thee the Message that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them."[An-Nahl: 44]

    "For he commands them what is just and forbids them what isevil; he allows them as lawful what is good and pure andprohibits them from what is bad and impure. He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them." [Al-Araf: 157]

    "O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything amonst yourselves refer it to Allah and His Apostle, if you believe in Allah and the last day." [An-Nisa: 59]

    "It is not fitting for a believer, man or woman when a matterhas been decided by Allah and His apostle to have any optionabout their decision. If any one disobeys Allah and His apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong path." [Al-Ahzab: 36]

    In all these verses, the Qur'an has explained various aspects of the Prophets personality. One can judge the importance of the Prophet from these verses. I am reminded of another important verse of the Qur'an, which is actually a verdict against those who do not believe in Hadith as an authentic source of law:

    "If any one contends with the Prophet even after guidance hasbeen plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that becoming to men of faith, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen and land him in Hell, what an evil refuge." [An-Nisa: 110]

    The Qur'an while pressing the Muslims to obey the Prophet, goes a step further when it announces that the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon him) is above all the limitations of time and space. He is the last Prophet and is a Messenger of Allah for the whole of humanity for all time to come.

    Hadith is nothing but a reflection of the personality of the Prophet, who is to be obeyed at every cost.

    Any student of the Qur'an will see that the Holy Book generally deals with the broad principles or essentials of religion, going into details in very rare cases. The details were generously supplied by the Prophet himself, either by showing in his practice how an injunction shall be carried out, or by giving an explanation in words. The Sunnah or Hadith of the Holy Prophet was not, as is generally supposed, a thing of which the need may have been felt only after his death, for it was very much needed in his lifetime. The two most important religious institutions of Islam are prayer and zakat; yet when the injunction relating to prayer and zakat were delivered, and they were repeatedly revealed in both Mecca and Madina, no details were supplied. Keep up prayers (aqimoo as-salaah the Qur'anic injunction and it was the Prophet himself who by his own actions gave details of the prayer and said: (Salloo kamaa ra'aytamoonee usaallee) "Pray as you see me praying."

    Payment of zakah is again an injunction frequently repeated in the Qur'an yet it was the Prophet (peace be upon him) who gave the rules and regulations for its payment and collection. These are but two example; but since Islam covers the entire sphere of human activities, hundreds of points had to be explained by the Prophet (peace be upon him) by his example in action and in words.

    The Ulama have discussed the question of Hadith in detail as a "wahyun khafee" and prophetic wisdom. I do not want to go into the details, but one thing must be stated clearly that there were cases when the Prophet, not having received a revelation, made a personal effort to formulate opinion through his own wisdom. Either it was corrected by revelation or it was approved. The importance of the Sunnah even as a second source of Islam was a settled issue for the Companions of the Prophet. I quote only one of the many examples: that of Mu`az ibn Jabal who said to the Prophet that he would decide according to the Sunnah if he did not find the solution of a problem in the Book. To quote Dr. Hamidullah:

    "The importance of Hadith is increased for the Muslim by the fact that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) not only taught, but took the opportunity of putting his teachings into practice in all the important affairs of life. He lived for twenty three years after his appointment as the Messenger of Allah. He endowed his community with a religion, which he scrupulously practiced himself. He founded a state, which he administered as the supreme head, maintaining internal peace and order, heading armies for external defense, judging and deciding the litigations of his subjects, punishing the criminals and legislating in all walks of life. He married and left a model of family life. Another important fact is that he did not declare himself to be above the ordinary law which he imposed on others. His practice was not mere private conduct, but a detailed interpretation and application of his teachings." (Introduction to Islam page 23)

    The man, therefore, who embraced Islam stood in need of both the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Actually Hadith is so important that without it one cannot fully understand the Holy Book and Islam or be able to apply it to one's life and practice.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Sep 2010 8:26 #
  35. @SS
    Every one knows that Hadith was collected after 150 years of death of Prophet (if i am not wrong). How it can be accurate?

    @fayyaz
    What about those sufis or shias or molvis who make simple problems so hard to understand and then tell their own right way?? They present it complex showing that only they know the right thing and only they can understand, therefore i should know only what i can 'understand'.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Sep 2010 21:50 #
  36. fayyaz214

    Dear LifeH2O

    I think there are three possible answers to your questions.  Which one applies will differ from situation to situation and ONLY you could be the judge that which one applies.

    1: The issue is with the reader not the writer - imagine someone trying to explain that water is H2O to an illitrate person, it will appear to be complex to that person.  Similary, if someone is trying to explain sprituality to someone who is trapped into ego, love for this world, love for forefathers, jealousy etc., sprituality will be a complex subject to him

    2: Issue is with the subject matter - Meaning the concept is wrong and the writter is doing alot of complex reasoning to make wrong right.  Imagine a Christian auther trying to explain trinity

    3: Issue is with the writer - Writer really does not know the subject and hence cannot explain it and hence it appears complex to the reader.  Imagine a writer trying to describe how is life in Lahore and has lived in Washington D.C. all his life.  Similarly an auther who has not experienced Islam, could make it very complex explaining to others.

    For you or I to judge that which of the above applies in a certain situation, we need to make sure that we have purified ourselves from things that lead to the wrong judgement.  Some of those things are discussed in the following blog.

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/do-we-have-deceases-that-will-stop-us-from-being-guided#post-161220

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Sep 2010 3:45 #
  37. NNL

    Imaam Al-Awzaa’ee (d.157) said, “Make yourself patient upon the Sunnah,
    stop where the people stopped, speak with what they spoke with, and
    refrain from what they refrained from. And follow the path of your
    Righteous Predecessors (Salafus Saaliheen) for verily, sufficient for
    you is that which was sufficient for them.“

    [Related in Ash-Sharee'ah, by Al-Aajurree, p. 58]

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Sep 2010 5:09 #
  38. @fayyaz Thanks! you concluded the thread :)

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Sep 2010 12:33 #

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