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Beenai
Moderator

@Fahim,
good to see the list ..
but somehow you have put many things have been done in nawaz or mush govt like Thar coal project and other stuff..

anyway...we can ignore that..
but you forgot to mention the biggest achievements of PPP .

1. getting the designation of FIRST EVER CIVILIAN MARTIAL LAW ADMINISTRATOR.

2.. got success in breaking Pakistan into TWO PIECES.

3. invented SINDH CARD .
they left this world but Sindhis are still crying and being exploited by this Sindh card again n again.
that was the trick to hold back all the votes of sindhis for life time.
so they cant vote to any Imran Khan any Nawaz Sharif or any Hakeem Saeed .

its PPP only..who has seeded into the mind of sindhis that hatred and sense of deprivation for no reason.

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 5:01 #
Fahim23
Member

@misallighed

You are very ill informed about NFC. The three provinces not just Sindh except Punjab are agreed that NFC award should be distributed on the basis of Population, Poverty and Area. While punjab is insisting that it should only be based on Population!

While no province was willing to accept the migrants from India after partition. It was Sindh who agreed to take the responsibility of majority of migrants and help settled them in the largest cities of Sindh. Not only that even in Afghan war, after NWFP most afghan refugees are settled in Sindh! However unfortunately most urdu speaking ppl still prefer to call themselves Muhajirs and not sindhis. Especially those living in Karachi. While Migrants who are living in Mirpurkhas and most parts of Hyderabad the integration process has improved very well. But the area under the influence of MQM and JI do not let the ppl to be integrated. They fuel ethnicity and discuorage nationalism. That's why despite living in Sindh for decades now and making domiciles and NICs of Sindh, most karachites don't even know how to speak and write Sindhi. In fact they objected violently when Sindh Assembly decided to make Sindh official language of the province.

If we hadn't struggled to make PPP stronger thn bro most areas of Sindh would have been like FATA and Baluchistan! If you see some schools, electricity, roads and infrastructure in rural areas of Sindh, it is because of PPP and the political activism we have.

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 5:13 #
Adonis
Member

@ Beenai

You missed several other achievements of PPP:

- Destroying Pakistan's economy by reckless nationalization of industries and banks. Pakistan has still not recovered from that.

- Holding the most rigged elections of Pakistan's history in 1977 and as a result bringing the country to the brink of civil war.

- Killing political opponents and suppressing all dissent.

- Starting the culture of missing persons by kidnapping political opponents and establishing torture camps.

- Trying to create a one-party stalinist state where the text books sang praises of "quaid-i-awam" and the birthday of that clown and his family were celebrated officially.

- Suppressing media freedom and closing down independent newspapers.

These are just some of the achievements of the first stint of PPP from 1972 to 1977.

We all know what PPP did during its later stints in power.

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 6:03 #
Fahim23
Member

@Adonis

PPP is the only national party we have and it sees Pakistan as federation of Sindh, Balochistan, NWFP and Punjab. It does not see Pakistan as "Punjabistan".

Prices set by NEPRA (regularity authority). The customers pay more than these fixed prices.

Company|50 units|100 units|300 units|700 units|1000 units|Peak|Off peak|losses
FESCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|11.23%
GESCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|11.25%
LESCO|1.60|3.75|6.00|8.50|10.00|12.00|7.00|12.30%
MEPCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|17.5%
IESCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|11%
HESCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|34%
KESC|2.968|6.50|10.17|16.45|21.86|xx|xx|xx
QESCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|20.5%
PESCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|33.2%

REFERENCES:

FESCO:
http://nepra.org.pk/FESCO/2008/SRO%20fesco.pdf

HESCO:
http://nepra.org.pk/HESCO/2008/SRO%201182%20HESCO%20dated%2012-11-2008.PDF

PESCO: http://nepra.org.pk/PESCO/Oct%2008/SRO%201184%20PESCO%20dated%2012-11-2008.PDF

MEPCO:
http://nepra.org.pk/MEPCO/2008/SRO%201181%20MEPCO%20dated%2012-11-2008.PDF

visit nepra.org.pk for all full details.

============================================================

Ministry of Water and Power - General Supply Tariff – Residential 1st March 2008.

Note: These are the actual prices customers pay.

Company|50 units|100 units|300 units|700 units|1000 units|Peak|Off peak|losses
FESCO|1.60|4.04|4.96|6.94|7.94|7.04|4.34|9.42%
GEPCO|1.60|3.86|4.82|6.97|7.97|7.22|4.37|9.12%
LESCO|1.60|3.08|4.08|6.53|7.79|7.13|4.28|10.96%
MEPCO|1.60|4.14|5.03|7.48|8.48|7.73|4.38|17.42%
IESCO|1.60|3.14|4.13|6.64|7.90|7.24|4.39|10.06%
HESCO|1.60|6.54|7.54|9.84|11.19|9.99|4.49|35.49%
KESC|2.968|6.50|10.17|16.45|21.86|xx|xx|xx
QESCO|1.60|5.59|6.74|8.59|9.59|7.84|4.49|19.75%
PESCO|1.60|6.15|7.20|9.70|10.70|9.45|4.60|31.72%

REFERENCES:

FESCO:
http://202.83.164.26/wps/wcm/connect/5228518048f6ee6c900ff9550e2b640c/FESCO2008.pdf?MOD=AJPERES

GEPCO:
http://202.83.164.26/wps/wcm/connect/59fe5f0048f6f3609035f9550e2b640c/GEPCO2008.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&GEPCO

HESCO:
http://202.83.164.26/wps/wcm/connect/3e47970048f6f3fa9039f9550e2b640c/HESCO2008.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&HESCO

LESCO:
http://202.83.164.26/wps/wcm/connect/777b268048f6f5229043f9550e2b640c/LESCO2008.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&LESCO

QESCO:
http://202.83.164.26/wps/wcm/connect/5b859b0048f6f670904ff9550e2b640c/QESCO2008.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&QESCO

PESCO:
http://202.83.164.26/wps/wcm/connect/758e918048f6f60e904bf9550e2b640c/PESCO2008.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&PESCO

MEPCO:
http://202.83.164.26/wps/wcm/connect/edb6720048f6f5909047f9550e2b640c/MEPCO2008.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&MEPCO

IESCO:
http://202.83.164.26/wps/wcm/connect/edc14f8048f6f474903df9550e2b640c/IESCO2008.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&IESCO
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Who is paying more, LESCO? or KESC, HESCO, QESCO or PESCO? The difference in the so called Losses and Theft between LESCO and HESCO for example is: 35.49 - 10.96 = 24.53%. While, for first 100 units LESCO pays 3.08 Rs and HESCO pays 6.54 Rs i.e., 138% More!! Can you explain this??? and KESC for above 700 units pays at least 3 times (that means 300%) more than LESCO.

Line losses is not the fault of the customers it is the fault of Service providers. While about theft we are supposed to believe that it is only ppl of Punjab who are honest and not theives (despite havign more than 50% population and some extends to 65%), only thing in which Balochistan (with mere 8% population) beats them is Stealing Electricity!

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 6:13 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Adonis,
thanks for refreshing my memories about PPP.

i also forgot about the biggest karnama of PPP of Ms.Bhutto aiming for handing over AQ Khan to IAEA ....according to her last interview to Washington post .
her dreams never saw the light of the sun as she got assassinated after that.

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 6:30 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Fahim,
no answers of my simple questions?

poor PPP supporters .
thats why i sometimes feel sorry for them.
who choose to be with PPP.
they are always being cornered in an argument.
coz they have no solid grounds to support any of PPP act.

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 6:32 #
Fahim23
Member

@Beenai

Thar coal project is the brainchild of Mohtarma BB during her second tenure. But later her government was toppled. Than nothing (not a bit) is happent in Musharaf era on Thar coal until recently when PPP government has took over. Even today it is not yet started. So far as major step only Funds are allocated that means now work is going to start.

When ZAB was handed over Power in West Pakistan the law of the land was Martial Law! The nation who could not make constitution in 25 years. PPP government gave two constitutions within two years! The democractic culture in Pakistan if it exists is only because ZAB and PPP! And you know what Every Martial Law in this country is lifted by PPP. Ayub's, Zia's or Musharaf's!

I have numerous times refuted the baseless allegations of PPP breaking Pakistan posed by different members and personally to you and everytime you seem to disappear from that post! Who made one unit? Who didn't make Bangali national language? Who started Military operation in Bangladesh? Who was Al-Shams and Al-Badar who were massacring, raping and killing bengali men and women? Who was the head of the country at the time when Bangladesh came into being?

And what do you mean by the Sindh card??? What is the party of Pakistan which is spread all over the country including Kashmir??? Is thr any other federal party in Pakistan except PPP? Answer is NO. Its strong hold once was Punjab and now it is Sindh, in Balochistan and NWFP it is the second most popular party!

I have many times told you the contributions and services offered to Sindh by PPP. Tell me (and once I am challenging you)....tell me any other leader who has done anything for PPP and I will vote him! If you can't which I am sure you cant then why shouldn't Sindhis Support PPP?? How can we possibly support IK even if we want or his party when he is the only person apparent in his party???

I was going to reply to your question that you asked on other thread about the failures of PPP and its leadership.

1. Military Operation in Balochistan.
2. Nationalization policy implemented with good intentions proved failure.
3. Influencing Judiciary by appointing judges who were considered favourable by the ZAB.
4. Incomplete Land reforms.
5. Supporting Manzoor watto's government in Punjab.
6. Delaying in implementing Bhurban Accord which led to the Recent Governor rule in Punjab.

But as I am supporter of PPP, I can possibly overlook some mistakes and failures. You should write the reasons (except making bangladesh!!) by which you literally "hate" PPP.

@Adonis

1977 most rigged elections??? When even today the opposition leaders of that time agree that PPP was going to Win by all stretches of imagination! Yes some part of the election was rigged but do you forget first term of NS, when ISI practically installed him as PM???? Most rigged elections in Pakistan's history are considered to be 1997's and thn 2002's.

You should educate all of us What PPP did in 90's??? Saying "We all know" is not enough!

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 6:38 #
Fahim23
Member

@Beenai

Tell me exactly what I have posted which you thing was initiated by NS or Musharaf? You support PMLN and consider NS lesser Evil. Please educate me what has he done for Sindh and why should Sindh support him?

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 6:42 #
Adonis
Member

@ Fahim

I would say that PPP sees sindh, punjab, nwfp and baluchistan and does not see any Pakistan.

As for electricity rates, please check the dates of the notifications from NEPRA websitre and teh second set of notifications. That will clear your confusion.

The actual rates are that notified by NEPRA. I've checked my bill and the rates are exactly teh same with the addition of sales tax and tv license fee.

The second set of notifications that you posted is from March 2008 and the rates in this are based on cost of service. These rates are the ones taht should have been applied. However, the government refused to apply these rates and instead chose to subsidize consumers in smaller provinces by burdening Punjab's consumers.

All this was explained to me by a Sindhi friend from WAPDA.

Also, I was told that out of total losses, about 10% are due to technical reasons and rest is all electricity theft. If there is less theft in punjab it is not due to that punjabis are more honest but because governance and law and order is better in punjab.

BTW, your calculations regarding LESCO and HESCO rates are a bit off. HESCO's losses are 224% higher than LESCO, but its cost based rate (which was never actually applied) was only 112 % higher. So even those rates were lower than what should have been.

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 6:58 #
Adonis
Member

@ Fahim

"1977 most rigged elections??? When even today the opposition leaders of that time agree that PPP was going to Win by all stretches of imagination!"

Please enlighten me who are these "opposition leaders of that time" as I have yet to see such endangered species.

BTW, even at the peak of its popularity PPP could get only one-third of all votes polled in 1970 when all its opposing parties were contesting against each other.

In 1977, all these parties had joined together to form Pakistan National Alliance (PNA). It is a common occurance everywhere that ruling parties suffer an erosion of support. Even if we assume that this did not happen with PPP and it managed to maintain its 1970s popularity in 1977 also, still it was "STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE" for PPP to win.

That was the whole reason why such large scale rigging was needed by PPP.

I can accept that PNA might have broken up due to its internal issues in a couple of years after winning elections in 1977 and as a result PPP could have got back in power exactly as happened with Indira Gandhi around teh same time.

But Bhutto, given the dicatator he was, could not accept sitting in opposition just as he could not accept sitting in opposition in 1970. As a result that massive rigging was done which even today has remained without any parallel in the history of Pakistan.

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 7:09 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Fahim ,
don't need to be that aggressive .
i support who ever ..
but i am not that stubborn to not to admit that whom i am supporting can do any mistakes too.being an Urdu speaking i know that it is not necessary to support a ghunda mafia just coz they belongs to my community that's why i never supported them.
i find Nawaz a lesser evil coz he has never been involved in breaking Pakistan into pieces ....
yah ..he has been groomed by Zia a dictator.
so as BHUTTO ...groomed by AYUB KHAN a dictator.
Ms.Bhutto did strike a deal with the Musharraf dictator.
so if its alrite to deal with dictators then its alrite for others to.

yes...PPP has given a constitution to Pakistan.
but alas ..its the same party..who is siding a dictator steps to manipulate it ........

yes...PPP has given a nuclear start to Pakistan.
but neuclear test and declearing the country was the hard step ,taken by Nawaz Govt and then he got dismissed by US .

PPP is the same party...whos leader Ms.Bhutto aimed and promised to western world in washington post interview that she would hand over AQ Khan to IAEA ..once she comes into power.

last but not the least
i do not hate any one or any party.
since i am not an extremist.
but yes
i dislike PPP since i have started taking interest in political situation.
just coz of double standards of PPP ...
here are some highlights ....<>>>>>>>>

one face of PPP liberal modern ,oxford qualified leaders to please US masters
another face of PPP orthodox and conservative typical Waderahas who love their kammi kameen to touch their knees ...
PPP is the party which decleared Qadyanis a non muslim cast
PPP is the party which started Friday off as an islamic day off
PPP is the party who has signed TALIBAANIZATION OF SWAT accord .

one face of PPP
ghaas kahienyein gay atom bomb banyein gay
another face of PPP
we are ready to hand over AQ Khan the founder of neuclear plan of Pakistan to IAEA .

one face of PPP
hum baharat kay dant khattay kar dein gay 1971

another face of PPP
bahrat is no danger for us ..hazrat Zardari

which PPP to vote to?

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 7:24 #
LetsDoIt
Member

Its again PPP and anti-PPP thread, perhaps i am also the one who helped diverting from the original topic but that came only when Mr. Fahim started accusing establishment only for the miseries of sindh. I am not favoring establishment but i am also holding Sindhi leaders equally accountable for this.

For the education i could list more achievements done in the Musharraf era. Not even a single BIG project was launched in PPP or PMLN govt. Opening quality less educational institutes is not an achievement, if these institutes are good why Bhuttos themselves dont get education in them. Only one person Mr. Ata-ur_Rehman has initiated more and better in quality projects than both the Govts. I could post the whole list but i dont think so this thread is initiated for such discussion.

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 10:33 #
shikra
Blocked

1. Why the number of Punjabi movies is larger than the movies in Pushto, Sindhi & Baluchi?
2. Why there are more Punjabi playback singers at the show business?
3. Why Punjab has more fertile land than Baluchistan, one of the biggest provinces in Pakistan?
4. Why Punjab has more population than other provinces?
5. Why Punjab has more water resources than Pakhtunistan ans Baluchistan?

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 11:47 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Shikra ,
there are simple facts behind everything.
nut thanks to our leaders who for their own wasted interests has made all of us suspicious about everything...

since punjab is fertiler than Baluchistan .
since punjab has panch darya to irrigate the lands that's why punjab has got more crops more ppl working there ...
they have raw material as crops like cotton and sugar cane ...
thats why they have flour,sugar and textile mills...
and got employments..........
so whats wrong with that?

we all are eating the roti ,,,which has been provided to us by our elder brother punjab.

baluchistan is comparatively a non irrigated land that's why less population as comapred to its size.

nothing is conspiracy.
nothing is suspiscious.
nothing is ambguity....

its all seeded by our so called leaders .
who wants to rule us by making us smaller and creating inferiority complex ...creating hatred amongst us.

these are so called federation politics chapms .

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 12:15 #
misalligned
Member

Mr. Fahim

You know what is the problem, its what you dont want to understand. Its not punjabis which are asking something its few punjabis which are being supported by few sindhies and few pathans and few balochies.

Pakistan is not being goverened by punjabis, its being goverened by few pakistanis who are sitting in islamabad because islamabad is the capital but your sindhies force you to think its Punjab not few punjabis and these fu***ers pose themselves innocent and even educated people like you start beheaving like this.

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 22:29 #
misalligned
Member

shikra

thanks for givig me a good laugh

Your movie collection is not going well because movies are made by private sector which invest proportional to no. of viewers so what kind of question is that?

Why punjab is more fertile? you should also ask why people at this forum are more intellegent than you. lolz shikwa kay liye waja to dhoond lo mera bahi

Why punjab has more population because its a hobby of punjabis to generate more punjabis lolz... kaisa baat karta hai lala

Posted 3 years ago on 21 Apr 2009 22:33 #
shikra
Blocked

@ misalligned,
Here you failed to understand the satire, the answer and message hidden in the post.
You secure 20/100 and that too just for your last sentence otherwise you totally failed the test.
To a proposition
"Why media is dominated by Punjabi Anchors?"
that was the best answer.
the proposition should have been like that:
Why most of the Media is located in Punjab?

Posted 3 years ago on 22 Apr 2009 4:48 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Shikra,
simple reason.
headquarters needs to be in headquarter.
and Pakistan's headquarter is Islamabad .
which is located in Punjab.

nothing wrong ,nothing conspire in this .
anyways ...
headquarters of major news channels are in Dubai Media City.
i have seen Geo & ARY office there .

Posted 3 years ago on 22 Apr 2009 5:40 #
Fahim23
Member

@Adonis

So are you even denying that KESC, HESCO and otehr provinces paid more for the electricity thn Punjab? Yes now the electricity tarrif is made equal by this government but since when??? Nov 2008 ...right? How about before. Still karachites pay 3 times (Not 3%) more! I don't even know since how long this is gng on. I thought you at least recognized tht ppl in smaller provinces paid more when you wrote this:

"It is a fact that in punjab, electricity theft is miniscule compared to other provinces and therefore cost of electricity is lowest. Electricity regulator decides on electricty rates based on cost and therefore lower rates in punjab and higher rates in other provinces result..."

And do you note that QESCO has line losses of 20% while HESCO, PESCO has line losses of 33% and 34% respectively. And the largest line losses in Punjab is in Multan which is 17.5%! I mean what now...Multan has better law & order situation thn Hyderabad and Peshawar??

You wrote: "HESCO's losses are 224% higher than LESCO"

Do you really not understand what does 224% loss means? Its really funny I am going to explain this. And I honestly don't know either you really don't get it or just for the sake of twisting things you wrote this! But let me explain it.

Let's say 1 unit cost 100 Rs. And in one unit 12% power is lost. Thn the customer will have to pay 112 Rs to compensate the losses. If on the other hand loss is 34%, the customer will pay 134 Rs. (Not 263 Rs!!). Its a simple math! 100% loss means whatever you are generating is being lost. 200% loss means...you are somehow generating two times more power thn your actualy system capacity and still you are getting ZERO!

Finally I pay tribute to the efficient Policeman and Wapda officials and to the people of Punjab for maintaing theft just under 2% in the largest province of Pakistan! This is another prove that you are superior race among other ignorant, illiterate, theives, incompetent Pakistanis.

PS: You rightly said PPP sees Balochistan, NWFP, Punjab and Sindh. Because they make Pakistan!

Posted 3 years ago on 22 Apr 2009 7:36 #
Fahim23
Member

@Adonis

About 1977 Elections, please watch the interviews of Prof. Ghafoor Ahmed (JI), Hasil Khan Bazanjo, and any ANP leader. They will tell you abt thr chances of winning 1977 elecitons.

No matter how you try to twist things by making PPP's vote just 1/3rd and comparing it with 77 elections and conviniently forgetting that we had lost East Pakistan! Fact of the matter that the opposition parties of that time had no chance to defeat PPP. Their presence was only restricted to few urban centers like Karachi and Lahore but PPP was in very strong position to defeat them easily even in urban centers.

PNA was made of 9 political parties most of them even today can't score even double digit.

PPP won 155 seats and PNA 35 seats.

• Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam
• Pakistan Muslim League
• Jamaat-e-Islami
• Jamiat Ulema-e-Pakistan
• Pakistan Democratic Party
• National Democratic Party (formerly National Awami Party)
• Tehrik-e-Istiqlal
• Khaksar Tehrik
• Azad Kashmir Muslim Conference

They were supposed to beat PPP and ZAB who rebuilt the nation from pieces, gave constitution, made us nuclera power, got more thn 90K POWs and miles of land from India!

Posted 3 years ago on 22 Apr 2009 7:46 #
Fahim23
Member

@Beenai

1- Tell me exactly what I have posted which you think was initiated by NS or Musharaf?

2- You support PMLN and consider NS lesser Evil. Please educate me what has he done for Sindh and why should Sindh support him? I have told you few things that PPP govt has done for education in Sindh, though I understand they are aatay men namak barabur.

You after some period repeat your mantra that ZAB is responsible for making Bangladesh. Please answer and tell me why do you hold him responsible? Also reply to these questions which are the reasons why Bangladesh was created.

1- Who made one unit?
2- Who didn't make "Bangla" national language?
3- Who started Military operation in Bangladesh?
4- Who was Al-Shams and Al-Badar who were massacring, raping and killing bengali men and women?
5- Who was the head of the country at the time when Bangladesh came into being? And who was supposed to trasfer the power to elected representatives?

PPP and ZAB were not accepting the demand of Awami league in which they were saying that "we will only sit on the table when you guarantee us that our 6 points as they are will be made part of constitution.". PPP's stance was we should sit on the table without any pre conditins and first discuss these points and evolve the constitution. We are talking about constitutions not negotiating any ransom for kidnapping.

Beside hese were the six points which were demanded by Awami league. And no sane person who believes in federation could have accepted all those points.

1. The Constitution should provide for a Federation of Pakistan in the true sense on the basis of the Lahore Resolution and for a parliamentary form of government based on the supremacy of a directly elected legislature on the basis of universal adult franchise.

2. The Federal Government shall deal with only two subjects; Defense and Foreign Affairs. All residuary subjects will be vested in the federating states.

3. There should be either two separate, freely convertible currencies for the two Wings, or one currency with two separate reserve banks to prevent inter-Wing flight of capital.

4. The power of taxation and revenue collection shall be vested in the federating units. The Federal Government will receive a share to meet its financial obligations.

5. Economic disparities between the two Wings shall disappear through a series of economic, fiscal, and legal reforms.

6. A militia or paramilitary force must be created in East Pakistan, which at present has no defense of it own.

PPP agreed on 1st and 5th point without any hesitation. They reluctantly agreed on point 2, 4 and 6. But they didn't agreed on point 3 of separate currency!

And you know if you are told that ZAB said "idhar tum idhar hum, jo east pakistasn jaye ga men us ki tangen tor don ga, etc. ZAB never said that at all!

About \"idhar tum, idhar hum\".

Please watch
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/04/bolta-pakistan-4-april-2008/ and listen Abbas Ather @ 6:00.

For your convinience I quote Abbas Athar saying \"Bhutto Sb k yeh alfaz nahin thay, mene ye surkhi banayee thee\"

For second statement what he actually said is this:
“The Crisis : Two Alternatives” Public Meeting, Lahore, February 28, 1971
Source for complete speech: http://www.bhutto.org/70Speeches/Speech-33.htm
“If they rubber stamp the Awami League’s draft constitution they will have no leg to stand upon on their return to their respective constituencies here. ”

Does this mean from any angle that "jo bangladesh jaye ga men us ki tangen tor doon ga"???

When you can't find anything against ZAB you have to rely on these baselessly assumed allegations taht ZAB was involved in disintegrating the country.

I think now either you should not repeat this mantra anymore of holding ZAB and PPP responsible for creating Bangladesh or enlighten us with reasonable and logical reasosns that made you single out ZAB in the creation of Bangladesh.

PS: Alhamdulilah we are quite self sufficient in agriculture and eating our own wheat! Punjab however does provide wheat to NWFP and Balochistan!

Posted 3 years ago on 22 Apr 2009 8:09 #
Fahim23
Member

@misalligned

I think I totally undestand what you have written. I wrote earlier that

My experience is that who ever is weak (individuals or nations) are bound to be exploited. Because world is running on the principle of "Might is Right". This also applies to the poor people in Punjab or any part of the world. Exploiter exploit their weakness.

But there is substantial section in our society which are benefitters and supporters of these exploiters from Sindh, Baluchistan, NWFP and Punjab. And that section you will see in Media, Army, bureaucracy and other departments of civil administration.

We have habbit of living in denials. All I'm trying here is that yes individually ppl living in Lahore, Isb, Faisalabad and other cities of Punjab won't even hav any clue what is being done to the people of Balochistan, Sindh, and NWFP in thr name. But at the level of common ppl they are being abused, abhored and at some places unfortunately killed.

This is the reason why we r vulnerable to the external world. If we want to be stronger, we must reduce the differences among as as much as possible and as quickly as possible.

Posted 3 years ago on 22 Apr 2009 8:20 #
Adonis
Member

@ Fahim

My appologies. You seems to have severe difficulty in understanding what I have written and it must be my fault because supporters of PPP can never be at fault. So I'll try to explain myself again in more simple terms.....

The higher rates that you have mentioned in HESCO, QESCO etc. were "NEVER" applied. That is the whole point. Please check your previous electricity bills if you live in these areas and you will realize that you never had to pay such amount. Instead of charging consumers such rates, the federal government changed these to put more burden on punjab.

That is why I requested you to check the situation with any Sindhi official of WAPDA, which there are many. Maybe their explanation will be more reliable for you.

I must commiserate with you that you never got an opportunity to study basic mathematics at school. So let me simplify that for you again:

2 is 100% more than 1
3 is 200% more than 1
35.49 is 224% more than 10.96

and 224% means 2.24 times higher

Incidentally, if the rate is Rs 1/unit amd there is 30% loss; it means that each unit will now have to be billed at Rs 1.43. Maybe working on how this happens will be a good exercise for improvement of your mathematical skills.

P.S: There is absolutely no doubt that law and order situation in Multan is much much better than in Hyderabad or Peshawar.

FYI, MEPCO covers the whole of south punjab. PESCO covers the whole of NWFP and HESCO covers the whole of sindh except karachi.

As for superior race, I have never heard any Punjabi claim that. Being a non-punjabi myself I could not have let such statement go unchallanged. Unfortunately, racial supremist ideology seems more prevalent in pockets of smaller provinces.

Posted 3 years ago on 22 Apr 2009 15:28 #
Adonis
Member

I mentioned that PPP got about 1/3rd of votes polled in 1970 elections. This is only from "West Pakistan". If we include East Pakistan than PPP's votes were only 18%.

PPP's success from west Pakistan in 1970 elections was simply due to the fact that the anti PPP vote was divided among many parties. In 1977, all these opposing parties had joined together in an alliance. That is why it was "STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE" for PPP to win in 1977 and that is why it resorted to massive rigging because PPP can never accept defeat gracefully.

I have read Prof. Ghaffor's and Wali Khan's books. They clearly mentioned that PPP resorted to unprecedented rigging in 1977 elections to escape certain defeat.

P.S: No, Punjab, Sindh, NWFP and Baluchistan do not make Pakistan. These are just administrative units which may be changed any time. It is Pakistanis that make Pakistan.

Posted 3 years ago on 22 Apr 2009 16:05 #
LetsDoIt
Member

A very nice message by Adoins

No, Punjab, Sindh, NWFP and Baluchistan do not make Pakistan. These are just administrative units which may be changed any time. It is Pakistanis that make Pakistan.

Posted 3 years ago on 22 Apr 2009 17:38 #
Fahim23
Member

@Adonis

hahahaha.....oh brother :).

Oh bhaee meray the said losses in HESCO are 35.49% (Thirty Five point Four Nine PERCENT)!, Not 35.49. I repeat the losses of HESCO are 35.49% not 35.49. While Losses of LESCO are 10.96% (again percent!!) not 10.96. That means the difference between HESCOs and LESCOs loss is about 24% only.

Plz add percent and thn read your statement

"35.49% is 224% more than 10.96%". How do you make up of this?

It is not 224% as you are ridiculously claiming. To be 224%, HESCO's losses should be 234.96%! That is again impossible in power generating systems because the maximum generation capacity cannot exceed 99% than how can losses be 235%!

You have made another breakthrough in the mathematical history by writing:

"if the rate is Rs 1/unit amd there is 30% loss; it means that each unit will now have to be billed at Rs 1.43."

1.43???? or 1.3 Rs/unit??? :D

The equal rates were effective only after 1st November 2008 and for the period of March 2008 to November 2008, the rates given in 2nd set below were effectively applied. PERIOD.

About racial supremist, even in this post it is implied that people of other province are incompetent, liar, ignorant, thief, stupid, and last but not the least by your golden words they are racial supermist

"racial supremist ideology seems more prevalent in pockets of smaller provinces" but not in Punjab :).

ELECTRICITY TARIFF
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My claims:

1- Smaller Provinces have almost always paid (even with subsidy) higher electricity bills. This government however has made the tariff equal in the country that also only after first November 2008. The second set of tariff given below and quoted above was effective for the period of March 2008 to November 2008. Please visit www. http://www.mowp.gov.pk/ for reference.

2- KESC the capital of Sindh and the economic HUB of Pakistan pays at least three times more electricity bills than the rest of Pakistan even today while the rest of country is brought on equal tariff.

3- Amazingly Punjab that holds more than 55% population of the country and also most dense province in terms of electricity access has 3 times less line losses.

4- The price difference is only on the pretext that the theft in other provinces is much higher than it is in Punjab. Please note that these line losses are not determined by any independent organization but by WAPDA itself and has some serious discrepancies.

a. The losses in HESCO which has substantial urban population in Hyderabad, Sukkur, Larkana, Shikarpur and Nawabshah has more line losses (35.49%) than PESCO (31.72%) which covers tribal areas FATA, Northern areas which come under PATA and QESCO (19.75%). We all know that the areas of FATA and PATA do not pay the electricity bills at all but still the line losses (which are mostly based on theft) in NWFP are less than in Sindh.

b. Let's say 1 unit cost 100 Rs. And in one unit 10% power is lost. Then the customers are supposed to pay 110 Rs to compensate the 10% losses. If on the other hand loss is 34%, the customer will pay 134 Rs to compensate 34% losses. Note the price difference of merely 24%.

c. But for 100 units LESCO for example pays 3.08 Rs with 10.96% losses and HESCO pays 6.54 Rs. with 35.49% losses. That is the HESCO customers are paying 2.12 times (3.08 x 2.12 = 6.53 Rs) or 112 % more than the customers of LESCO with line loss difference of only 24.53%. In other words the loss difference is 25% while the price difference is 112%.

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Residential Tariff with effect from 1st March 2008.

Company|50 units|100 units|300 units|700 units|1000 units|Peak|Off peak|losses
FESCO|1.60|4.04|4.96|6.94|7.94|7.04|4.34|9.42%
GEPCO|1.60|3.86|4.82|6.97|7.97|7.22|4.37|9.12%
LESCO|1.60|3.08|4.08|6.53|7.79|7.13|4.28|10.96%
MEPCO|1.60|4.14|5.03|7.48|8.48|7.73|4.38|17.42%
IESCO|1.60|3.14|4.13|6.64|7.90|7.24|4.39|10.06%
HESCO|1.60|6.54|7.54|9.84|11.19|9.99|4.49|35.49%
KESC|2.968|6.50|10.17|16.45|21.86|xx|xx|xx
QESCO|1.60|5.59|6.74|8.59|9.59|7.84|4.49|19.75%
PESCO|1.60|6.15|7.20|9.70|10.70|9.45|4.60|31.72%

References are quoted above.
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############################################################
Residential Tariff with effect from 1st November 2008.

Company|50 units|100 units|300 units|700 units|1000 units|Peak|Off peak|losses
FESCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|11.23%
GESCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|11.25%
LESCO|1.60|3.75|6.00|8.50|10.00|12.00|7.00|12.30%
MEPCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|17.5%
IESCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|11%
HESCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|34%
KESC|2.968|6.50|10.17|16.45|21.86|xx|xx|xx
QESCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|20.5%
PESCO|1.40|3.23|4.90|7.97|10.0|9.15|5.56|33.2%

References are quoted above.
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############################################################
Residential Tariff of 2004 and before to prove my point that Smaller provinces have always paid more for electricity.

Company|50 units|100 units|300 units|700 units|1000 units|Peak|Off peak|Date

IESCO|1.40|2.57|3.47|4.50|3.00|4.50|2.50|28/06/04
LESCO|1.40|2.57|3.47|5.00|2.75|4.25|2.50|02/07/04
FESCO|1.40|2.57|3.47|5.50|3.00|4.50|2.75|09/06/04
MEPCO|1.40|2.57|3.47|5.50|3.00|4.50|2.75|02/07/04
GEPCO|1.40|2.57|3.47|5.75|3.50|4.50|2.75|28/06/04
PESCO|1.40|2.57|3.47|5.75|4.00|4.50|3.25|14/07/04*

*With Rs. 0.9027 per kWh subsidy from Federal Government.

QESCO|1.40|2.57|3.47|5.75|4.17|4.50|3.75|14/10/04*

*With Rs. 1.0824 per kWh subsidy from Federal Government.

HESCO|1.40|2.57|3.47|5.75|4.17|4.50|3.25|14/07/04

With Rs. 1.4275 per kWh subsidy from Federal Government.

KESC|1.40|2.49|3.39|5.67|6.91|xxx|Xxx|2002

Note that even in 2002 KESC was paying more than rest of country in 2004.

References for last set.

IESCO:
http://nepra.org.pk/IESCO/2003/Determination%20of%20Tariff%20by%20IESCO-2003%20dated%2028-06-2004.PDF

LESCO:
http://nepra.org.pk/LESCO/TRF-26%20LESCO-2003/Determination%20of%20Tariff%20of%20LESCO-2003%20dated%2002-07-2004.PDF

FESCP:
http://nepra.org.pk/FESCO/TRF-30%20FESCO-2003/Determination%20of%20Tariff%20of%20FESCO%20-dated%2009-06-2004.PDF

MEPCO:
http://nepra.org.pk/MEPCO/TRF-28%20MEPCO-2003/Determination%20of%20Tariff%20of%20MEPCO%20-dated%2002-07-2004.PDF

GEPCO:
http://nepra.org.pk/GEPCO/TRF-23%20GEPCO-2003/Deteminaiton%20of%20Tariff%20of%20GEPCO%20dated%2026-06-2004.PDF

PESCO:
http://nepra.org.pk/PESCO/TRF-27%20PESCO-2003/Determination%20of%20Tariff%20of%20PESCO-2003%20dated%2014-07-2004.PDF

QESCO:
http://nepra.org.pk/QESCO/TRF-25%20QESCO-2003/Determination%20of%20QESCO-dated%2014-107-2004.PDF

HESCO:
http://nepra.org.pk/HESCO/TRF-24%20HESCO-2003/Determination%20of%20Tariff%20HESCO-2003%20dated%2014-07-2004.PDF

KESC:
http://nepra.org.pk/KESC/KESC/TRF-14%20KESC/Determination%20of%20Tariff%20of%20KESC-dated%2010-09-2002.PDF
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Posted 3 years ago on 23 Apr 2009 6:41 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Fahim,

i am reading a very interesting quote book about FACTS .
it says

i have made up my mind ,do not confuse me with facts ......

i guess ....
we should focus on facts rather than stories twisted & tilted towards our own likes and mindsets .

i have read many books on Dhaka Fall and made some research paper on this topic in my university ....

Dhaka never fall in a day ..
it was an outcome of continuous mishaps on that time Govt part..........

and definately Yahya Khan ,Mujeeb and Bhutto are equally responsible for that unfortunate happening of our history.

Bhutto can not get away with Dhaka fall allegations that easily ....
he has been a part of everything happening and leading towards that great disaster of our history.
nobody can deny that ...even soul of Bhutto

Posted 3 years ago on 23 Apr 2009 6:45 #
Fahim23
Member

@Adonis

"No, Punjab, Sindh, NWFP and Baluchistan do not make Pakistan. These are just administrative units which may be changed any time. It is Pakistanis that make Pakistan."

I personally find it most rueful statement. Keep on denying the existance of bangalis, balochs, sindhi, siraiki n pathan,,,one by one we wll loose them.

When you impose artificial idealogies and make the defenders of land (Raja dahir) villians and invaders aggressors (mohd bin qasim, ghaznavi) heroes, it only creates more dis-integration! When u completely discard ur own history n culture and adopt the history of abraham, moses ur nation has no clue where they stand!

Posted 3 years ago on 23 Apr 2009 7:06 #
Fahim23
Member

@Adonis

In 1988 Elections PPP fought alone with the IJI (Again coalition of Nine parties) and guess what they were defeated miserably despite full support from Pakistani establishment.

You often somehow make PPP alone and rest of Pakistan alone....and assume that whoever doesn't vote PPP will definitely vote right wingers! I don't know for what reasons except that: I sometimes note your vehemance against PPP when you refer to them as "peeplee" and seculars as "secular-sychos". You still believe that the trial of ZAB was fair!

Keep on dreaming uniting your right wing vote bank and defeating PPP while PPP in its 40 years history has won practically 5 elections (and actually 6 - 2002 Elections) out of 10.

Posted 3 years ago on 23 Apr 2009 7:16 #
Fahim23
Member

Coming back to the actual topic of this post last night I watched Live with Talat show and I am very disappointed from him. For him suddenly Rehman Malik and current government become credible when it comes to Baloch Cause. Instead of pointing out that whatever is happening in Balochistan is first because of the constant looting and exploitation by federation and thn by any of our enemy. But every news program (at least which I am watching) are trying to discredit Baloch leaders and calling them Agents.

While he hasn't uttered a word against Baitullah, Fazlulah, Sufi mohd and other extremists from where they are getting funding and on whose hands they are stringed. He left no stone unturned to blame the Balochis themselves for thr miseries.

Majority of Baloch wants independance now but media is deliberately going in denial mode and claiming that "oh ji thr r only few sardars who are creating problems". If we cannot respect the will of Baloch leaders to get independance, with what face we support Kashmiris??

When I first heard Nawab Khair Baksh Marri, I was impressed from him but thought only he is good orator in Balochistan. But thn I heard ex-Sen. Sanaullah Baloch, Barahmdag Bugti, Sardar Akhtar Mengal and Hairbiyar Marri i found tht they are one of the best orators in current Pakistan. And I'm sure that they won't let mighy establishment and some pro centersit class loot the nation in the name of patrotism and religion.

We should give Balochistan and other provinces their rights and especially in Balochistan we should build schools, hospitals and roads and stop barbarianism through military operations. Or if they demand freedom we should not cry about that!

Shame on Pakistani Media.

Posted 3 years ago on 23 Apr 2009 7:26 #
Fahim23
Member

@Beenai

I was expecting this reply from you for all my asked questions (which are sitll unanswered and I have asked them not once but dozen of time)! This is best you can do.

Posted 3 years ago on 23 Apr 2009 8:00 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Fahim,
isn't interesting that no fan of PPP can never be able to justify Bhutto innocence in Dhaka fall scene?

Posted 3 years ago on 23 Apr 2009 9:09 #
LetsDoIt
Member

Fahim

Yea you could criticize Talat for holding his views but if this is the criteria then why you are not criticizing Fozia Wahab (watch capital talk) who belongs to the party you support and giving your party's view on it.

If PPP hold this view then its ok but if Talat hussain holds this view then its wrong. You want talat to show his sympathies to a person who is sitting in afghanistan and getting money from india to break this country.

Posted 3 years ago on 23 Apr 2009 13:16 #
Adonis
Member

@ Fahim

I never thought I would ever need to teach elementary mathematics to grown-ups, but here I go. Now I know why PPP is so miserable in governance, the problem lies in lack of mathematical knowledge.

Let me try to explain to you, yet again:

Per cent means divided by hundred.

35.49% means 0.3549
10.96% means 0.1096

O.3549 is 2.24 times higher than 0.1096 !!!!!

I never said that HESCO's losses are 224% per se. I am simply saying that these are 224% (2.24 times) higher than the losses of LESCO. !!!
------------------------------------------------

Now let me explain your homework mathematical exercise from yesterday which predictablly you failed to solve:

If one unit of electricity costs 1 Rs.
Then 100 units of electricity cost 100 Rs.

If losses are 30% this means that 100 unitss are supplied but consumers can be billed for only 70 units.

Therefore, to recover the 100 Rs of cost, each of these 70 units will be billed at Rs 1.43 !!!! (70 x 1.43 = 100)
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Line losses are simply the difference between electricity
supplied from the sources and consumption according to consumer bills. There are meters at supply points and at consumer premises and losses are measured by comparing teh readings of these meters.

So NO, it is not Punjab's conspiracy that losses are higher in sindh.

Total electrcity generated is a known and measured amount. Electrcity received by each distribution company is a known and measured amount. Electricity billed to consumers by each distribution company is a known and measured amount. So there is no question of discrepancy.

But of course I would not be surprised if you actually believe that transmission lines in punjab are made from some special material secretly smuggled from Mars that magically provides consumers double the electricity than actually supplied.
---------------------------------------------

Again, you are quoting old rates from NEPRA website and I keep on telling you that these rates were never allowed to be applied by the government. How difficult it is to take any of your old bills and compare the rate on it with these old rates from NEPRA?

It doesnt seem that you cant undrestand, more likely you dont want to understand because it would hurt your long held belief of Punjab the oppressor.

These rates were not applied because successive governments have been making consumers in punjab subsidize thsoe in smaller provinces. Equal rates simply mean that areas of low losses are subsidizing areas of high losses.

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PESCO does not cover tribal areas. There is a separate company TESCO for that.

Posted 3 years ago on 23 Apr 2009 14:53 #
Adonis
Member

@ Fahim

Your memory seems to suffer from selective amnesia as far as 1988 elections are concerned. In 1988, the election was not a straight fight between PPP and IJI. There were many other players involved.

There was PAI (Pakistan Awami Ittehad) comprising TI and JUP. There was ANP. There was JUI. There was PDP, not to mention several smaller parties.

PPP's votes were only 37.63%

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In 1977, there was no issue of right wing or left wing. All parties were victims of Bhutto tyranny and had joined together to form PNA. It included right wing parties like JI, JUP and JUI as well as left wing parties like NDP and TI.

The creation of PNA ensured that PPP could not win in fair elections and that pushed it to do massive rigging.

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Posted 3 years ago on 23 Apr 2009 15:11 #
javedsheikh
Members

The propaganda about a mass rigging of 1977 election by the PPP was the product of a conspiracy by the defeated mentality.
The popularity of Z.A. Bhutto could not be overruled.
Even Zia-ul-Haq had accepted the strength of vote bank of the PPP under Z.A Bhutto's leadership.

I was a polling officer in the constituency of (Late) Malik Meraj Khalid, at the village Bhogan, Lahore.
I guess out of 36 polling Stations of the Constituency, there were 24 polling officers and presiding officers including Lecturers and professors from Government College, MAO College and Islamia College Lahore, who belonged to Jamaat-i-Islami, a staunch opponent of the PPP.
All of the officers witnessed and accepted a big and fair victory for Meraj Khalid.
None of the polling Officers complained about any incident of rigging or foul-play.
The maliciously planned propaganda lost its credibility where the election results of Malik Meraj Khalid was also declared as being rigged by the Right Wing Media, such as Nawa-i-Waqt.
The Military-Maulvi Alliance, known as PNA was deputed to cultivate and orchestrate a 'justification' for the removal of Z.A. Bhutto, as a punishment for his determination to make Pakistan Nuclear.
I understand it is not honest to deny the popularity of the political leaders like the Qauid-i-Azam, Z.A.Bhutto, Mujib-ul-Rahman, Jawaharlal Nehru, Imam Khomeini of Iran, President Obama, irrespective of having love for them.

Posted 3 years ago on 23 Apr 2009 15:54 #
secular__pakistan
Blocked

JS,

Bhutto was popular in 1977 like JI is popular, in that have lots of hot-headed people to come on to the streets, but, everyone knows the elections were rigged, atleast a little in not excessively.

Posted 3 years ago on 23 Apr 2009 19:43 #
Fahim23
Member

@Adonis

Once again you are converting 35% into number 35 and 10% into 10. And this is where you are mistaking :). Yes if I have 10 kilo of aata and you have 35 kilo of atta thn one can say that u have 225% or 2.25 times more atta then me.

But if you score 35% in board exams and i score 10% thn the marks difference between you and me is just 25% not 225%. Note that here we are not converting 35% into a number 35!

You should ask this from someone else and confirm this!

BTW thanks for correcting my calculations of 1.3Rs/unit. You are right here and it would be 1.43Rs/unit.

By the same token

If losses are 10% this means that 100 unitss are supplied but consumers can be billed for only 90 units.

Therefore, to recover the 100 Rs of cost, each of these 90 units will be billed at Rs 1.11 (90 x 1.11 = 100).

See the price for 30% loss is 1.43 and for 10% loss it is 1.11. Mere difference of 20% as opposed to 220% which you are claiming.

You wrote:

"BTW, your calculations regarding LESCO and HESCO rates are a bit off. HESCO's losses are 224% higher than LESCO, but its cost based rate (which was never actually applied) was only 112 % higher."

Here you implied that the cost of HESCO should be 224% or 2.24 times higher than the LESCO! I hope you'll understand this, probably confirm this from soneone else and correct yourself.

If not than I wish you very good luck :).

Were the higher rates applied for the period of Mar to Nov 2008?
===========================================================

Answer is YES. I am quoting you as reference the website of Ministry of Water and Power which is sitting Government not NEPRA which is regulatory authority. On the very first page of this website it is clearly written that "New Power Tariff w.e.f 01 March 2008". I think this should be more credible than yours and mines bills

Further I also checked my bill of Apr 2008 and it is 3380 Rs. for 472 units.

1 - 50 = 50 x 1.60 = 80
51 - 100 = 50 x 6.54 = 327
101 - 300 = 200 x 7.54 = 1508
301 - 472 = 172 x 9.84 = 1692.48
+ 100 Rs Fixed line rent for Single phase
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Total = 3707.45

And my bill is 3380 Rs and the savings are after cutting Off peak rates.

If I apply new rates (which by the way never existed before November 2008 so how could they possibly be applied on Mar to Nov 08 period) than my bill is mere 2682.34 Rs.

1 - 40 = 50 x 1.4 = 70
51 - 100 = 50 x 3.23 = 161.5
101 - 300 = 200 x 4.9 = 980
301 - 472 = 172 x 7.97 = 1370.84
+ 100 Rs single phase charges
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Total = 2682.34 Rs.

Further, I am quoting 4th set of Tariff that was applied on February 2007.

Company|50 units|100 units|300 units|700 units|1000 units|Peak|Off peak|Date

IESCO|1.6|2.70|3.70|6.25|7.50|6.00|3.55|23/02/07
LESCO|1.6|2.70|3.70|6.30|7.60|6.00|3.55|27/02/07
FESCO|1.6|3.20|4.25|6.50|7.50|6.00|3.55|23/02/07
HESCO|1.6|5.12|6.50|9.00|10.50|6.00|3.55|23/02/07

IESCO:
http://nepra.org.pk/IESCO/2007/TRF-35%20Determination%20of%20Tariff%20IESCO%20-dated%2009-03-2007.PDF

LESCO:
http://nepra.org.pk/LESCO/2007/TRF-42%20-Determination%20of%20Tariff%20filed%20by%20LESCO-2005%20-dated%2009-03-2007.PDF

HESCO:
http://nepra.org.pk/HESCO/2007/TRF-41%20Determination%20HESCO-2005%20dated%2012-03-2007.PDF

The prices of HESCO are more than double (200%) than IESCO, LESCO or FESCO!! Not to mention the QESCO and PESCO. If you still want to deny that smaller provinces are paying more than ppl of Punjab I'm afraid to say you are incurable.

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TESCO so far does not even exist! Visit this website and read that PESCO covers whole province of NWFP!

http://www.wapda.gov.pk/htmls/pdistribution-index.html

Posted 3 years ago on 24 Apr 2009 7:29 #
Fahim23
Member

@Letsdoit

Probably you missed the implied criticism of Rehman Malik in my above post. Believe me criticising Talat Hussain is more difficult for me than Fauzia Wahab! I support Baloch cause. They are fighting for their rights. Even if they want independance it is very legitimate. This is my view and for that I criticise ZAB when he started military operation on the behest of mighty establishment in 70s and I'd criticise this government if it could not resolve the Baloch issues.

On the other hand if I am hopeful from any party which can give autonomy to provinces it is PPP and I'm very helpful that in this term they will settle this issue once for all.

Posted 3 years ago on 24 Apr 2009 7:37 #
Fahim23
Member

@secular

Was JI ever popoular??

The rigging did took place. When the opponent of ZAB from Larkana was kidnapped by some officials just in an attempt to please ZAB. Then though the Abbassi Sb had no chance even in his dream to win against ZAB but it was rigging. 1977 Elections was a confirm win for PPP. But it was one of the cleanest and fair elections in the history of Pakistan.

Posted 3 years ago on 24 Apr 2009 7:41 #
Fahim23
Member

@Adonis

PPP was part of MRD before Zia's demise. For elections it decided to fight on its own. IJI was very much similar in its composition to PNA. It included PML, JI and national people's party.

I don't understand why you always seem to hint that in Pakistan thr is only PPPist or anti-PPP! I know there was other parties like MQM, and ANP which are idealogically more close to PPP thn JI or PML and because they were not in coalition with PPP, it damaged PPP thn anyone else but still PPP won with substantial margin. JUP and JUI cannot even dream to take more thn few seats. They existance or otherwise does not even matter in Pakistani elecitons.

Posted 3 years ago on 24 Apr 2009 7:53 #
Fahim23
Member

@Beena

@Fahim,
isn't interesting that no fan of PPP can never be able to justify Bhutto innocence in Dhaka fall scene?

So you think that what you believe is a fact? You single out PPP and ZAB by and write ZAB broke pakistan into two pieces and it becomes fact?? And what you say is enough for prove and justification!

I have many times told you the reasons of Pakistan;s breakup and only in one partially ZAB was involved.

1- One unit - nothing to do with ZAB.

2- Bangla Language crisis - nothing to do with ZAB.

3- East pakistan got 35% of resources while West Pakistan received 65%. - nothing to do with ZAB.

4- Military operation - nothing to do with ZAB

5- Al-Badar, Al-Shams were Jamaitis who were raping, killing and torturing thr brothers and sisters. - nothing to do with ZAB.

6- Six points - here ZAB was involved and was of opinion that if we are to make 6 points in Constitution (which was demand of awami league), we should first have dialogues on this. Nevertheless he agreed on 5 points out of 6 but it was too late and may be we can say he should have agreed on all points without muttering a single word.

But you can only see ZAB out of your shear loath and put him in the long list of opporessors and exploiters of Banalis and blame him for the crimes he never committed.

Posted 3 years ago on 24 Apr 2009 8:14 #
LetsDoIt
Member

Dear Fahim

You wrote: I support Baloch cause.

I have no problems with this and i also support Baloch cause but i dont support Balochi leaders why because:

Listen to Bolta Pakistan yesterday, The baloch leader representing PPP was saying that We (PPP) including himself do not own the statement of Rehman malik and he has not given this statement with the approval from the party.

You know its a ****, why they are bullshitting innocent people?? Our prime minister once sacked durrani when he gave an independent statement but he has allowed rehman malik to go for Incamera briefing even when he was setting his feet on a different way than his party.

The party leader if he is geniune should come out and say yea my party line is different from this and if they will not throw rehman malik for that then i will resign and then i will say that Yea these leaders are also sincere with the baloch cause otherwise they are not allowed to spread disinformation and hatred in balochistan

2nd disgusting example was the Molvi from the most shameful party JUI which said that we were against the killing of bugti and we are against all this but we want to stick with the govt. ****. You are enjoying Govt but you do not own its policies, you should resign but you pose yourself innocent. Resign from Govt to give a clear message to all the pakistani nation that you are helpless if you are staying in a Govt then own its decisions like a man.

3rd was some provincial minister which was saying that he is helpless but he want to enjoy the facilities of minister, please stay up and expose such **** which are using poor innocent people for their own purpose.

Posted 3 years ago on 24 Apr 2009 9:59 #