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  1. AsifK
    Members

    Hi,

    I m on this forum for about 10 days or so and have observed that more than 50% threads are either religious or religon is dragged into it by somehow.

    Religion basically is a set of beliefs which differs from person to person. For every person , only his beliefs are true. When we discuss beliefs , the ultimate result is that we are hurting each other's belief and then indulge in deregatory remarks for each other.

    My suggestion is that we make 2 boards or split this board into 2 sections. One religous and 2 nd non-religous.

    In this way , people who have freedom as well of discussing the topics of their choice and people can avoid the topics as well. But , that would also require a lot of discipline from members by restraining themsleves to their favourite section.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 13:48 #

  2. semirza
    Moderator

    Because it calls for a close down. And pls as you have questioned moderator's actions; their actions are according to the code of conduct laid down for all members accordng to which moderators base their actions to implement COC with the sole purpose to maintain decipline. If one complies to the code of conduct than there is no reason or basis for the closure of any thread.
    As far as suggestions from forum members are concerned, they are always welcome. Your ideas may be noticed by the ADMIN pkpolitics himself or could be forwarded by us for his consideration and action.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:17 #

  3. semirza
    Moderator

    @AsifK
    If you have any further ideas towards the improvement of the forum, you are most welcome.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:22 #

  4. AsifK
    Members

    Mirza Sahib,

    I didn't intend to question moderators intentions/credibility. It was not my objective. Probably it got mis-convenyed.

    Anyhow, i don't blame moderators for closing the thread. I just tried to identify the reason for that and then tried to give a suggestion for that.

    Sorry for hurting your feelings .

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:27 #

  5. usman1423
    member

    @AsifK I hope u mean "non-religous" where religion has no meaning :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:28 #

  6. amin1924
    member

    Dear Moderators,

    Also keep in mind that Islam has view point on each and every affair of Muslim's life. There aren't any actions which Islam has failed to address.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:29 #

  7. AsifK
    Members

    Gentlemen,

    Its your view of Islam and i respect it as your belief. My understanding of Islam is a bit different on that. Is this an issue ?

    Thats what percisely i pointed in my opening msg.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:33 #

  8. shikra
    Blocked

    Dear JJ Khan,
    The real debate and dialogue is about the Theory and Practice.
    You talk about Theory where most of the members @ the forum are in search of Reality.
    We all are looking to find where Islam has been lost?
    Where it has gone?
    Why it is not emerging out to help us?

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:37 #

  9. Revivalist
    member

    I think we should not call it a religious discussion as we present Islam as a viable alternative to western secularism and I guess no one else ever talked about Christianity, Hinduism etc as an alternative to the present day world order. Hence it is purely an ideological discussion on our part!!!

    Regards

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:41 #

  10. amin1924
    member

    Shikra sb,

    You may call something Theory that was never practiced/applied or test in the world.

    Islam isn't just Theory, it was implemented for over 1300 years, starting from Prophet Muhammad's life in Madina till end of Khilafat-e-Usmania.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:42 #

  11. Revivalist
    member

    Dear Shikra,

    you can find Islam in its sources by looking at the life of prophet Muhammad (saw) and his noble companions. As quran says ".. if you have any disopute (tanaza) refer it to Allah (swt) and his massenger (saw)"....

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:44 #

  12. semirza
    Moderator

    @all
    I am in discussion with AsifK, if you dont mind.
    @AsifK
    Not at all, why I should mind. You did not hurt my feeling, and for what, by providing us with ideas! All of us have to work together 'as pkpolitics team' and only teamwork will in the form of our joint efforts, cooperation among us will lead towards pkpolitics as a platform worthy of scholars to join us in even greater number thus resulting in expansion and growth of our knowledge that will be to our advantage and to the advantage of others as well.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:48 #

  13. AsifK
    Members

    JJ Khan

    Again , u r coming from the same point of view. This is your interpreation of Islam which is in direct collision to mine . So , thats what i m suggesting that lets not discuss such issues .

    In your oponion i would be "Bad-Aqeedah" or may be "Kafir" and i may hold the same oponoin for u ?

    So , wahts the use of such discussion. Has such a discussion ever been fruitful ? Apart from creating rifts/scars , what it would serve ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:49 #

  14. semirza
    Moderator

    After his reply, you can join in with your comments, and as I have see some they are quite reasonable.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:51 #

  15. AsifK
    Members

    mirza Sahib

    "Because it calls for a close down."

    it was the start of your msg since u went into explaining your position, i felt that i might have hurt u. If thats not the case as u said, then all is good. Thanks

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:52 #

  16. amin1924
    member

    Why would I discuss aqeedah concepts here? Have i ever? We talk about political issues, some have secular view point and have communist view and some have Islamic view point. All should be allowed to share their view.

    I think it wouldn't be good to split forum into

    Secular Political Views
    Islamic Political Views
    Communist Political Views

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:53 #

  17. AsifK
    Members

    JJ Khan

    '
    Why would I discuss aqeedah concepts here?
    '

    Gentleman , I think there are a few guys who have got Khalifah as their aqeedah.

    My suggestion was that lets make a separate section for these devotees and let them live happily with their 'Khilfah'?

    On the other side, their are guys who don't think as these devotees and have other beliefs to religon . Let them have a separate section .

    If u just look at the threads closed during last week or 10 days , u will understand my point.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:57 #

  18. usman1423
    member

    @JJ Khan better Suggestion :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 15:05 #

  19. AsifK
    Members

    I think now we are converging to issue what i raised right in the start.

    waht is 'Islamic Political Views' ?

    As understood by me ? nooo. Thats only true for me not for anyone else.

    As Understood by my semirza? nooo--HIs interpretation is only valid for him or to those who agree to him .

    As understood by hounourable JJ ? noo--Only valid for him and his associates.

    The point is Islam kissi kaay ghar kii baandi naahi haai and there is no one version of that but simultaneoulsy most of us being muslims are very touchy to anything which is in our view is islamic or un-islamic. No one of us has got authority to give a final verdict on islam so why to discuss and then accusse each other for being balllah balalah.

    But when we are discussing any social ,economical or political issue we don't have that much of power as these issues are not part of our beliefs.

    there are some gentlemen who belive that religion is part of everything , lets give them their space.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 15:14 #

  20. amin1924
    member

    Thanks, I am all for unity, dividing based on view points such as Secular/Islam/Socialist/Communist wouldn't be good. One topic can be analyzed from these various view points and we can all learn from each other.

    We shouldn't get personal if someone rebuts my idea from another view point.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 15:15 #

  21. amin1924
    member

    Asifk,

    I agree there is difference of opinion in Islam and that is one of the beautify of this deen. But it is not fair to just push out Islamic view point on affairs of life by terming it religious belief because it isn't just religious believes.

    Difference in islamic view point is fine, but suggesting to keep this view point out is not fair.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 15:20 #

  22. AsifK
    Members

    JJ Khan

    Bahi , when it comes to beliefs , oen is boudn to become emotional. This is nothing but natural .

    I appreciate your good intentions and appeal for self-discipline but what has been happening ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 15:23 #

  23. DeadlyHonest
    member

    khilafa is a dream and day dreaming..
    Quran does not exist or amended....
    islamic laws are out dated.....
    Islam is personal matter not a state problem to think abt it..
    Islam is the name of backwardness...
    Prostitution and casinos should be regularised...

    Do you think its not abusive language for Islam and its followers.Is it not clear that people using such words have nothing to do with Islamic discussion..

    This is clear from above approach that target is to implement own ideology by any means...
    If some one dont know abt some thing abusive and banned abt Islamic Aqeeda than he should control him self abt Islamic discussions..
    Frequent use of such language will kill any debate on this forum..
    If you try prove my Aqeeda wrong abt religion than a war is waiting between us..
    Secular,democratic,Facist these are types of systems not religions.If some one is hindu,sikh,chris,or following any religion he is equally respected to all of us and we should not touch their belieaf or use language which is not acceptable under their Aqeeda......

    ALL THE RELIGIONS SHOULD BE TAKE CARE OF AND REFRAIN FROM CRITICISING SOME ONE'S RELIGION.ANY SYSTEM OTHER THAN RELIGION SHOULD BE OPEN TO CRITICS...,sorry for using caps....

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 15:29 #

  24. AsifK
    Members

    '
    Do you think its not abusive language for Islam and its followers.
    '

    Meery piyarey bahi, its against your version of islam. U cannot speak on behalf of all muslims.

    This is what i m stressing . We should accept that their are different versions of islam and each version is the TRUTH for its believers.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 15:43 #

  25. amin1924
    member

    I thought you would have already slept because it's past midnight in your region ;-)

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 15:48 #

  26. DeadlyHonest
    member

    These are basic beliefs/Aqeeda for every muslim..
    If some one try to penetrate here using logics he is wrong..You cannot open or play with genrally accepted Aqaids of Islam...this is the basic point which needs to stick with you are not allowed to use language against Islamic basic teachings if you use the forum will never get stability....

    In Islam their are basic set of rules to be followed to remain Muslim if some one dont hold these Aqaids he is no more Muslim..same is the case with other religions that their basic Aqaids or gods should be respected at any case.....

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 15:49 #

  27. DeadlyHonest
    member

    khilafa is a dream and day dreaming..
    Quran does not exist or amended....
    islamic laws are out dated.....
    Islam is personal matter not a state problem to think abt it..
    Islam is the name of backwardness...
    Prostitution and casinos should be regularised...

    Tell me honestly what muslim group has this type of Aqaids......tell me one by one...

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 15:50 #

  28. amin1924
    member

    Actually there are some members who like to lock Islam in house as soon as the step out of home. There is a boundary wall around Islam from which it should not escape. It should be kept on top most shelf. Islam is only a belief and it should be personal, in life one should only view things from secular perspective and so forth.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 15:59 #

  29. semirza
    Moderator

    @DeadlyHonest
    A group of non-believers may have this agenda (not aqida)!

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 16:03 #

  30. shikra
    Blocked

    This is against the Rule of a fair debate not to quote the exact wording of the sentence.
    I pick up only one of your quotations:

    "Prostitution and casinos should be regularised..."

    It was not 'should be' but the exact word was 'Could be' and the whole spirit of the message is changed.
    I say something 'could be' done. You are free to say that it 'should not' be done for the following reasons.......!

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 16:13 #

  31. DeadlyHonest
    member

    In any case it is an agenda not Aqeeda.No religion promotes or allowed such acts..

    You may come up with any system like freethinkers,atheists,democratic and that system is debateable..

    No religion should be put on discussion to allow such things are agendas.....now you should get it...

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 16:16 #

  32. shikra
    Blocked

    Let me ask a very simple question.

    ZAID believes in Islam as a religion.
    OMER believes in Christianity as a religion.
    BAKKAR believe in Secularism as a religion.

    If BAKKAR hurts the feelings of ZAID by criticizing Islam, does this justify OMER to hurt the feelings of BAKKAR by criticizing Secularism?
    One feels get hurt only when he is not confident about his Faith.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 16:41 #

  33. amin1924
    member

    Shikra,

    Regarding

    One feels get hurt only when he is not confident about his Faith.

    I think that even rational ideas/concepts have emotions tied to them. When someone is hurt it doesn't mean that idea/concept is weak. Concept/idea & emotional attachment are two different things. I hope you would understand this.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 16:46 #

  34. semirza
    Moderator

    @all
    With my appologies, dont forget the intent (to hurt) of such posts/comments that may initiate quite abusive/vulgar responses directly dependent on how deep emotions/feeling have been hurt. Although we promote self control and restrain from sudden response by taking a deep breath BUT than one should not complain of injuries sustained while cornering a cat all the way ignoring this saying NEVER CORNER A CAT!
    Tread cautiously when discussing or commenting on religious issues should be the norm.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 16:53 #

  35. shikra
    Blocked

    My dear JJ Khan
    You twisted the line again.
    "When someone is hurt it doesn't mean that idea/concept is weak."
    Where I said the Idea or Concept is weak?
    I mentioned that one's Faith on that Idea or Concept might be weak to make him feel hurt.
    (I was a debater during my college days 40 years back. My teacher taught me to be very much particular about the selection of words.)

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 17:02 #

  36. shahzad1924
    member

    look, as it has already been said before; Islam gives answers to every problem. so, there is no way of separating any discussion from Islam.

    and if someone has the view that Islam does not solve all problems, then his views are not correct.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 23:16 #

  37. AsifK
    Members

    shahzad1924
    '
    and if someone has the view that Islam does not solve all problems, then his views are not correct.
    '

    since when u have become the authority to declare anybody's views as incorrect ? R u GOD ? R u Prophet ?

    In my view your views are incorrect . So ?

    This is what i started with that there is a fundamental need of realizing that we shouldn't be discussing beliefs. And if someone wants to do that , lets give them separate space .

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Aug 2009 3:19 #

  38. shahzad1924
    member

    "In my view your views are incorrect . So ?"

    again, as if i care what you think!

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Aug 2009 3:28 #

  39. AsifK
    Members

    Shahzad BAhi,

    Come logically . Don't run. Come with arguments.

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Aug 2009 3:29 #

  40. shahzad1924
    member

    so, you call this "In my view your views are incorrect . So ?"

    logical?

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Aug 2009 3:35 #

  41. amin1924
    member

    Shikra sb,

    By mentioning your age you are obliging me to respect you, which you do deserve. But if I use same allegation on you "twisted the line" you would not feel good, would you?

    I interpreted Faith as idea/concept and I dissected idea/concept and emotion/feelings attached to it. Two different things. Faith is idea/concept, you are senior so I don't want to disrespect by giving another lecture on definition of idea/concept/thought/emotions.

    I am also usually careful in using words/terms and understand incorrect can turn the meaning 180 degrees.

    Again, I assert, when someone's emotion/feeling is hurt that doesn't mean that idea/concept is weak!

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Aug 2009 3:49 #

  42. AsifK
    Members

    shahzad1924
    Don't take things out of context. The above was response to your following sentence.

    '
    and if someone has the view that Islam does not solve all problems, then his views are not correct.
    '

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Aug 2009 4:35 #

  43. DeadlyHonest
    member

    shikra,
    You should feel now the burden of proof,that (BAKKAR believe in Secularism as a religion.)...

    Does secularism/freethinkers/facist a religion/divine laws to be respected....

    If you can prove with arguments than we will not criticise these THINKINGS again...........

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Aug 2009 5:06 #

  44. Beenai
    Moderator

    moderators has to follow a certain code ...
    they have been given by Admin of the site .
    we warn first ...and then we close it down ultimately .
    as we have left with no option.
    but to close it .

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Aug 2009 5:28 #

  45. amin1924
    member

    warning and closing is fine, but mysteriously deleting a post behind ones back creates negative energy. Possible if instead of deleting the whole post, it is amended or member is cautioned or warned?

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Aug 2009 5:32 #

  46. Beenai
    Moderator

    @JJ Khan ,
    we have been following this practice ..u must have noticed.
    i have closed two threads yesterday but first i have warned and then i did those threads.

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Aug 2009 5:55 #

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