Why only Muslim leaders die violent, un-natural and humiliating death??

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Why only Muslim leaders die violent, un-natural and humiliating death??

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pakistani47
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had given an analogy of the Ummah, Nu'man b. Bashir reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: ?The similitude of believers in regard to mutual love, affection, fellow-feeling is that of one body; when any limb of it aches, the whole body aches, because of sleeplessness and fever.? [Sahih Muslim, Book 032, Number 6258]

The Prophet (peace be upon him) is saying, if your finger is injured or your foot is injured, any part of the body is injured and you feel that pain, you cannot sleep! That is the description the Prophet (peace be upon him) gave of the Ummah. (May Allah forgive me if I quoted any word incorrect erroneously)

In this perspective I feel pain for the death of any muslim whoever he may be a criminal or innocent.

My question is why only muslim leaders die so humiliating and un-natural death I can give a short list from recent history.

1. Anwar us Saddat
2. Liaqat Ali Khan
3. Yasir Arafat
4. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
5. Ziaul Haq
6. Saddam Hussain
7. Qaddafi now.

There are several other whom I may not mention here.

Why not President of North Korea, or anyother non muslim dictator and tyrrant ruler. There may be one or two examples but not so many like muslims.

Our youth think that they are killed because they have been cruel to their subjects. No Sir.

They were killed because they were muslims at first place and the other reason is they refused to comply with the designs of West and they were creating hurdles for West.

Your comments please. (Please try to be rational not emotional in your comments) Thanks.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 7:38 #
Hussain Farooqui
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The deaths of the Muslim Heads of the State are mostly the outcome of the conspiracies hatched by CIA or the other intelligence agencies. They like to scare the other State Heads of the Muslim countries by doing inhuman behaviour with the ex-leaders.

There were some Muslim leaders like Eddi Amin were toppled and then put as refugees in miserable conditions. Eddi Amin lived in miserable conditions in Saudi Arabia as a refugee. He was paid insufficient amount of money just for his survival.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 8:22 #
Adonis
Member

There are many non-Muslim leaders who died violent deaths:

1. Hitler
2. Mussolini
3. Ceausescu of Romania
4. J F Kennedy
5. Yitzhak Rabin of Israel
6. Indira Gandhi
7. Rajiv Gandhi
8. Olaf Palme
9. King Birendra of Nepal
10. President Park Chung of South Korea

I can go on and on .......

The premise that the killing of Muslim leaders is some sort of conspiracy against Muslims, may be true in individual cases, but is not a fact in all such deaths.

In case of Arab dictators in recent days, their violent overthrow is a result of tyranny and dictatorship that they subjected their country men to. People like Saddam, Qaddafi and Husni Mubarak were tyrants who crushed all opposition to their rule and their regimes were totally un-Islamic. It is human nature to hate strict dictatorships. These dictators ruled by the power of gun and as a result ultimately suffered violent ends themselves.

This is why democracy is the preferred system of governance as it gives an outlet to people to express their views and decide their own destiny.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 10:23 #
stingingnettle
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Adonis;

Brilliant reasoning, you make good sense. I concur with your view.

The only thing I would like to add is; not all that ails muslims today is a result of some kind of battle between good and evil or East and West or Islam and secularism/materialism OR due to the inability of muslims to follow the true version of the faith.

To my mind it is simply because we allow the Saddams, the Mubareks, the Ghaddafis, and the Salehs (the list goes on and on) to impose tyranny on the general population.

Democracy can be a cure or a curse, it all depends on how we implement it; however, democracy is, as you said, preferable to all other systems.

No more burying our heads in sand and absolving ourselves for our responsibilities to create a just, meritocratic and tolerant Pakistan.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 10:34 #
abdulqayyumrao
Member

They do not want to share the power with other countrymen. They stick with powerusing elfy Gum.
He used pretty young girls for his service in the life, the same was his son , who is also dead.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 10:36 #
scandinavian
Member

@SN

"No more burying your heads in sand and absolving ourselves for our responsibilities to create just, meritocratic and tolerant societies."

I second this statement. No more corrupt the core rulers and no more nepotism!

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 10:39 #
Adonis
Member

@ stingingnettle

Amen to that.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 11:00 #
shriq
Member

The one that you are pointing to in recent past, actually dug his own grave. No one else to blame. He should have quit earlier to save many important lives and property of his country.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 11:04 #
shaagird
Member

it is funny to see ziaulhaq and bhutto's name together in that list of muslim rulers dying a humiliating and unnatural death.

it was ziaulhaq who killed bhutto....
and then he died in a humiliating way, in a way that even his body parts couldnt be recollected completely, or at all.
jaisi kerni waisi bharni. this is the system of God....
what was humiliating about it????? he got what he did!

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 11:27 #
Adonis
Member

The soldiers who die in battle and are blown to smithereens by enemy fires in a way that even their body parts can not be collected are called martyrs.

All body parts of most people who are killed in bomb blasts or plane crashes can never be collected. Still they are revered as heroes.

So it is pretty churlish and ridiculous to hypothesize that some one died a humiliating death if one is under the impression that all their body parts were not recovered.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 11:46 #
scandinavian
Member

@Shaagird

The fact that body parts where spread all over the place is not a deciding factor on whether a person is shaheed or not. There is no wisdom in this claim.

What was the lesson then? Zia supported the American agenda and hence got ZAB killed and the same Americans killed Zia when he could not be a part of their plan.

The lesson is NEVER to work on a foreign agenda. Focus on Pakistani interests just like other countries keep focus on their own interests.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 11:51 #
Side B
Member

Qaddhafi or Mobarak and others of the like.
they weren't Muslim leaders, they weren't even leaders.
because both these terms have a positive air to them.

Call them 'heads of state whose religion was Islam'

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 12:00 #
M.AKRAM
Member

My question is why only muslim leaders die so humiliating and un-natural death I can give a short list from recent history.

1. Anwar us Saddat
2. Liaqat Ali Khan
3. Yasir Arafat
4. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
5. Ziaul Haq
6. Saddam Hussain
7. Qaddafi
8. King Faisal.
9. Mujib-urRahman
10.Zia-ur-Rehamn (Bangladesh)
11.First President of Iran after revolution.
12.2nd President of Iran after revolution

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 12:25 #
stingingnettle
Member

M.Akram

Your write;

"My question is why only muslim leaders die so humiliating and un-natural death I can give a short list from recent history."

Most of the deaths you have listed are assassinations and are NOT humiliating deaths. Even Ghaddafi didn't die a humiliating death since, I presume, he died in action, in some kind of a confused firefight.

Perhaps Saddam's death was humiliating. Mussolini definitely humiliating. The ex Afghan president Mohammad Najibullah (1986 -1992)that was definitely humiliating.

But people like Sadat and Liaqat Ali Khan and the likes do not belong in your list of 'humiliating' ends.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 12:33 #
shafiq12
member

M.Akram
History forgets those who forget history--

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 12:33 #
shaagird
Member

@scandinavian

i think u wrongly addressed your last post to me
it should have been addressed to Adonic
i agree with what you said!

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 12:55 #
pakistani47
Member

There are many non-Muslim leaders who died violent deaths:

1. Hitler
2. Mussolini
3. Ceausescu of Romania
4. J F Kennedy
5. Yitzhak Rabin of Israel
6. Indira Gandhi
7. Rajiv Gandhi
8. Olaf Palme
9. King Birendra of Nepal
10. President Park Chung of South Korea

I can go on and on .......

The premise that the killing of Muslim leaders is some sort of conspiracy against Muslims, may be true in individual cases, but is not a fact in all such deaths.

Dear Adonis,

I would disagree with this paragraph.

West has been continuously working against Muslim world even before renaissance. The crusade started 1000 years back. Since then they have worked against Muslim world systematically.

1. Expulsion of Muslim from Spain
2. Collective wars against Ottomon
3. Kidnapping Black Muslims youth from Africa for making slaves.
4. Occupation of Muslim countries after fall of Ottomon and Mughals.
5. Systematic destruction of Muslim Social, Econmic and Educational systems.

These efforts intensified in last century after the fall of Ottomon Empire. They divided great Ottomon Empire into 50 small and weak countries. They know how to weaken muslims that is why they invented philosophy of state (wataniat).

They did not stop there. After fragmenting the Muslim Ummah, they continued to interfere in affairs of these muslim states.

They established illegal state of Israel in heart of Muslim world for bullying Arabs and Muslims. This list can go on and on.

So, I would repeat:

History forgets those who forget history

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 13:02 #
pakistani47
Member

Iqbal very rightly said about Wataniat

Wataniat with English translation

Iss Dour Mein Mai Aur Hai, Jaam Aur Hai Jam Aur
Saqi Ne Bina Ki Rawish-e-Lutf-o-Sitam Aur

(In this age the wine, the cup, even Jam is different
The cup‐bearer started different ways of grace and tyranny)

Muslim Ne Bhi Tameer Kiya Apna Haram Aur
Tehzeeb Ke Azar Ne Tarshawaye Sanam Aur

(The Muslim also constructed a different harem of his own
The Azar of civilization made different idols of his own)

In Taza Khudaon Mein Bara Sub Se Watan Hai
Jo Pairhan Iss Ka Hai, Woh Mazhab Ka Kafan Hai

Country, is the biggest among these new gods!
What is its shirt is the shroud of Deen (Religion)

Ye But Ke Tarashida-e-Tehzeeb-e-Nawi Hai
Gharatgar-e-Kashana-e-Deen-e-Nabwi Hai

This idol which is the product of the new civilization
Is the plunderer of the structure of the Holy Prophet’s Deen (Religion)

Bazu Tera Touheed Ki Quwwat Se Qawi Hai
Islam Tera Dais Hai, Tu Mustafavi Hai

Your arm is enforced with the strength of the Divine Unity
You are the followers of Mustafa, your country is Islam

Nazzara-e-Dairina Zamane Ko Dikha De
Ae Mustafavi Khak Mein Iss Butt Ko Mila De!

You should show the old panorama to the world
O Mustafaa’s follower! You should destroy this idol

Ho Qaid-e-Maqami To Nateeja Hai Tabahi
Reh Behar Mein Azad-e-Watan Soorat-e-Mahi

The limitation to country results in destruction
Live like the fish in the ocean free from country

Hai Tark-e-Watan Sunnat-e-Mehboob (S.A.W.)-e-Elahi
De Tu Bhi Nabuwwat Ki Sadaqat Pe Gawahi

Renouncing the country is the way of the God’s Beloved (PBUH)
You should also testify to the Prophethood’s Truth by similar action

Guftar-e-Siasat Mein Watan Aur Hi Kuch Hai
Irshad-e-Nabuwwat Mein Watan Aur Hi Kuch Hai

In political parlance country is something different
In Prophet’s command country is something different

Aqwam-e-Jahan Mein Hai Raqabat To Issi Se
Taskheer Hai Maqsood-e-Tajarat To Issi Se

The antagonism among world’s nations is created by this alone
Subjugation as the goal of commerce is created by this alone

Khali Hai Sadaqat Se Siasat To Issi Se
Kamzor Ka Ghar Hota Hai Gharat To Issi Se

Politics have become bereft of sincerity is by this alone
The destruction of the home of the weak is by this alone

Aqwam Mein Makhlooq-e-Khuda Batti Hai Iss Se
Qoumiat-e-Islam Ki Jar Katti Hai Iss Se

God’s creation is unjustly divided among nations by it
The Islamic concept of nationality is uprooted by it

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 13:06 #
bsobaid
Member

The reason is, violence begets violence.

All dictators you noted came into power with violence, they maintained their power with violence and they were removed with violence. Their source of power was violence and intimidation against their own people with the exception of Bhutto and Liquat Ali Khan Shaheed.

jo shakh-e-nazuk pay aashiaa banay gaa, naa paaidaar hogaa!

The non-muslim western leaders, quoted by Adonis, had a similar track record and met similar fate.

Contemporary western leaders did not commit such crimes with their own people. Their source of power was awami approval, their maintained their power their awami approval and they were removed with awami disapproval. Indigenous support is such a mighty phenomenon that can shrug off one's henious and inhuman crime against other nations.

Secondly, western powers are in power these days and they can get their enemies anywhere in the world, the way they like.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 14:54 #
bsobaid
Member

What I described in my previous post is a law of nature.

Laws of nature are mechanical and apply to all regardless.

Goal of ethics and religion is to synchronise the mechanical process with moral human values.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 15:01 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

Dear Mr.P47
I am obliged to respond to your mind-jolting questions:
1. Expulsion of Muslim from Spain
2. Collective wars against Ottomon
3. Kidnapping Black Muslims youth from Africa for making slaves.
4. Occupation of Muslim countries after fall of Ottomon and Mughals.
5. Systematic destruction of Muslim Social, Econmic and Educational systems.

1. Expulsion of muslims from Spain was happened due to their own internal conspiracies. Yes Tariq bin Ziyad was the one of the greatest muslim commander so as the muslims came with him were truly adhered to Islamic values. Consequently as time passed, they became more interested only in power and rule. If you are not aware, there was a clear ethnic divide between Moors and Arabs of andulasia. So put blame squarely on others is nothing but hiding the truth.
2. Collective war against Ottomans: After Sultan Mohammad, the great emperor of Islam, we can witness a steady fall of Islamic empire. He was the best thing happened to Turkey and later after his death, what we witness is steady fall in Turkish morality and thinking. They became more attuned to luxurious lifestyles and started considering themselves superior to other muslims. And that was the reasons for their fate.
3. Kidnapping Black Muslim Youth from Africa: Well, after the fateful demise of Turkey, it was supposed to happen since they no longer had Ottoman's protection. Remember the defeat of Turkish Navy by Spanish Armadas, that shows where Turkish heads were.
4. Occupation of Muslim countries after fall of Ottomon and Mughals: As stated above, the muslim rulers of the respective countries traded their religious zeal, moral values affinity to growth with luxuries. Remember Shahjahan, a morally corrupt ruler belonged to Mughal empire so as inept, incompetent and ineffective Bahadur Shah Zafar was.
5. Systematic destruction of Muslim Social, Econmic and Educational systems.: Do I need to answer this?

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 15:49 #
bsobaid
Member

Qaim and Pakistani,

I recommend you both and we all read the article posted in this thread.

http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/urooj-o-zawal#post-241836

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 16:02 #
LifeH2O
Member

@pakistani
NOT 'All' and 'Muslim' leaders die humiliating death.

Create another list of presidents, prime ministers of Pakistan who died normally.

And I think if you look into past, most of the leaders, kings were killed instead of dieing on their own.

--Hence this is not specific to Muslims--

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 19:22 #
stingingnettle
Member

I hope I am living in unprecedented times. God knows I have waited long enough.

I hope all the despots around the world are suffering nightmares since Thursday, even those that look up to Europe and America as their guarantors.

There is no rejoicing in the violent end to anyone's life but I hope the living are reading the writing on the wall.

Does anyone remember the track; Winds of Change by Berlin.

Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 21:24 #
pakistani47
Member

Dear Rizwan Qaimkhani,

I am grateful to you for addressing me with word dear. I really appreciate your input but I would like to add a bit to it and apologize if you may find something contrary to your post. Hope you will not get irritated. Thanks.

1. Expulsion of muslims from Spain was happened due to their own internal conspiracies. Yes Tariq bin Ziyad was the one of the greatest muslim commander so as the muslims came with him were truly adhered to Islamic values.

Tariq bin Ziyad Berber was slave of Mussa bin Nusair saqfi, he was commander of first troops who invaded spain on the invitition of count Julian.

But the man who founded Ummaya Dynasity in Spain was Abdul Rehman Dakhil (Al-Nasir). He and his descendants were behind the development in the fields of Science, Art and Architechture. Masjid Qurtaba and Qasr-e-Alhamra are great example of it. They were also driving force behind the European Renaissance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Rahman_I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd-ar-Rahman_III

You are right when you say that it was because of infighting of Muslims but these infighting were propelled by conspirators.

2. Collective war against Ottomans: After Sultan Mohammad, the great emperor of Islam, we can witness a steady fall of Islamic empire. He was the best thing happened to Turkey. There were other greats as well. Sullaiman the Magnifecent, Bayazid Yaldaram (Lightening). First conspiracy hatched was battle of Angora when Christians missionaries managed to bring face to face two great conquerors. Ameer Taimur and Bayazid Yaldaram.

You are right when you say that it was their own weaknesses but conspirators were at their work as well.

3. Kidnapping Black Muslim Youth from Africa: Well, after the fateful demise of Turkey, it was supposed to happen since they no longer had Ottoman's protection. Remember the defeat of Turkish Navy by Spanish Armadas, that shows where Turkish heads were.

It was not spanish Armada but holy christian forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto

If they had no protection from Ottomon then Westerns were entitled to do whatever they like even kidnapping for slavery. Whereas they cricize muslims for slavery most.

4. Occupation of Muslim countries after fall of Ottomon and Mughals: As stated above, the muslim rulers of the respective countries traded their religious zeal, moral values affinity to growth with luxuries. Remember Shahjahan, a morally corrupt ruler belonged to Mughal empire so as inept, incompetent and ineffective Bahadur Shah Zafar was.

Yes right, but did they get all victories with power of sword or gun no sir. They are conspirators from day one till todate.

5. Systematic destruction of Muslim Social, Econmic and Educational systems.: Do I need to answer this?

Yes if you please. Who entitled them to destroy our systems. Whereas they were great benefactors of development and prosperity in Andulsia in the form of Renaissance. If you can just look at a movies I dont remember its name in which King Richard is shown who fought with Sultan Salahuddin Ayoubi. Look at the depiction of England by themselves at that time and you will be able to decide that they were living in dark ages at that time.

Thanks.

Posted 7 months ago on 23 Oct 2011 6:29 #
sweettruth
Member

Most muslim counry rulers rule like a King/dictator/Army General and they do not tolerate any opposition or dissent. There is a strong lack of democracy in most of muslim countries; hardly any arab country has a democracy. Even in Pakistan, our country is run by Army Generals and democratic Govt is powerless and weaker.

Posted 7 months ago on 25 Oct 2011 2:01 #
spruce
Member

any muslim leader can raise a voice agaisnt israil crimes.

do u think he is brave!!!!!!!
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Posted 7 months ago on 26 Oct 2011 0:25 #
sweettruth
Member

@Irshad

Just look at the terrible acts of muslim rulers and the way they treat their public and you will find your answer. Most muslim rulers consider themselves above the law and do not tolerate any dissent and media freedom.

Posted 7 months ago on 26 Oct 2011 3:07 #