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Why The US Must Leave Afghanistan..........

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  1. It is just not us but them too who are raising their voices waiting to be heard for America and it’s allies to leave Afghanistan since some time now. The following I would like to share with you:

    For the past nine years the US has known loosely where Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida may be. So far, it has spent years, hundreds of billions, many American and allied lives, and a good piece of its reputation on an as yet unsuccessful effort to bring them down.

    One of the most popular images of official incompetence these days is that of the person who does the same thing over and over again while each time expecting different results. President Barack Obama seems to be trapped in this illusion. He is facing the most compelling of political fears: If he were to stop the war in Afghanistan and a major terrorist attack were to occur in the United States, his critics will be quick to say it was his fault.

    As of now, for nearly three decades the US has been variously devoted to bringing peace to Afghanistan. That has achieved little so far beyond returning the Afghan countryside to its drug producing overlords and permitting Afghanistan to supply 90% of the world's heroin. Yet it appears that the safest domestic political course for any but the boldest of American presidents is to continue this useless war.

    However, the consequences of this war are mounting as the US shreds it alliance with Pakistan and goads the Pushtun people into defending themselves. The US simply does not have the military resources to deal with 50 million angry Pushtun people defending themselves at home in one of the remotest places on earth. The correct appreciation is to know not when we have lost but when we cannot win and back gracefully out of it.

    According to the TIMES ONLINE, President Obama "has demanded that American defense chiefs review their strategy in Afghanistan before going ahead with a troop surge." In a recent meeting at the Pentagon he reportedly asked the Joint Chiefs and other defense officials "what is the endgame", and he did not like the answers he received. This question should have been asked much earlier and it certainly deserved to be asked before the US increases its already large human and financial investment in that campaign. It is most disturbing that good answers were not immediately forthcoming, but their absence is wholly in keeping with what many serious observers of the Afghan scene believe is the reality of the situation.
    By:Terrell E. Arnold
    http://www.rense.com/general85/why.htm

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 8:53 #
  2. Thank you for this excellent article taken from the rense website. It sums up the situation in Afghanistan from the US point of view with a certain objctivity.

    One small objection, though, to the title: if instead of "should", there had been a "must": Why the US must leave Afghanistan, we'd have been closer to the truth. The "50 million angry Pushtun people" are giving the West forces such a tough time, serving them up such a defeat that by the time these soldiers and mercenaries will have left their country, the face of the world will have changed.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 9:20 #
  3. @Mirza Ghalib
    As per your request the word Should in the thread title has been replaced by your suggestion 'Must'.
    Thanks.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 9:26 #
  4. Thank you to you, too.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 9:46 #
  5. aftab arif
    Member

    The fall guy or the bad guy in all this will be PAKISTAN when the Yanks make an Exit. If we keep resisting on not taking this operation in N. Waziristan then the yanks at some point will build a media trial against us.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 10:05 #
  6. Dear aftab, let us just stop being afraid of US and the rest of the west and then we'll start our own movement upward as the coming leaders of the Muslim Ummah. And nothing to fear, please. You and your kids and theirs will be proud and happy to be part of that Ummah.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 10:17 #
  7. toamin
    member

    obama first fired general mckiernan, then they got further frustrated and fired general mccrystal, whole world watching the "tamashaaa..and saying hahah" now i don't think they can fire any more generals, may be general fire them now :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 10:42 #
  8. aftab arif
    Member

    @ Mirza Ghalib

    I totally agree and i am personally not bothered at all about what the west think but was just making a point that the media guns will be pointing at Pakistan just to give the Yanks some sought of an honourable exit, but people with half brain who read something other then the New York Times will know that the Yanks lost this war a long time ago.

    How could you win or achieve something when you invade a country and kill or maim many thousands of it's people.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 10:45 #
  9. aftab, that was an excellent reply. I'm gladder than I can say that you also see things that way. and your concluding lines were a thing of beauty. Exactly, exactly. Thank you, thank you.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 12:20 #
  10. shafiq12
    member

    I am a soldier of War which will never End.

    and I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”

    Let see dears

    U.S. military deaths in the last 10 months of the Afghan war than in the first five years of the conflict. More boots on the ground than in Iraq.

    Widow Shada Parada Rodriguez, right, and mother Lusia Parada Rodriguez, second from right, of Marine Cpl. Nicholas Parada Rodriguez, of Stafford, Va., watch the coffins containing the remains of Cpl. Parada Rodriguez during a burial ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery in Arlington, Va., Thursday, May 27, 2010. Cpl. Parada Rodriguez, 29, of Stafford, Va., died May 16, 2010, while supporting combat operations in Helmand Province, Afghanistan (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)
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    1."We understand what we were getting into and we understand that it's something that has to be done," Staff Sgt. James Knower of Pavilion, N.Y., said at a base in Kandahar. "I would never think that what we've done here is a waste of time. We're going to the end."

    Of American casualties, he added: "It's war. It's going to happen."

    2. After a long and wrenching conflict in Iraq – which has claimed nearly 4,400 American military lives – Obama has promised not to be backed into an open-ended war in Afghanistan. He has insisted that some U.S. troops will come home beginning in July 2011.

    3. Another damaging factor for the USA and Allied Nations in Afghanistan to leave is the civilian deaths that have been occurring since the beginning of the war. With every single civilian death an entire family is left behind mourning and hating. Then the tradition of taking revenge is also a part o Afghan tradition. This is also a factor driving people towards Taliban . Some simply join them to take revenge for their loved ones killed by the USA and Allied Forces.

    4. Another factor that might deny USA a victory in Afghanistan and US to leave Afghanistan is the Russian Factor. When the USSR invaded Afghanistan in the eighties USA actively supported the then Mujahedeen the same people now it is fighting. Therefore Russia sees an opportunity to inflict the same kind of damage that the USA inflicted upon her in the eighties
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    To get more support

    The purpose of this propagation of failure and disappointment is just to get more support from the allies and to expand the war to Waziristan and Balochistan. Pakistan army and political leadership were able to sense the new dimensions of the war on terror and took the initiative in Waziristan. Now the regional powers must strengthen Pakistan army to get the desired results. The way China, India and Russia supported US in Afghanistan, they must come closer to Pakistan now. Pakistan has committed blunders in the past and we had suffered a lot too. But now it is the time to make a way out for Pakistan and especially this region. If regional powers will turn their backs so Pakistan will never come out of the western domination.

    Their media also propagate this concept. And surveys are showing high graphs of fear in American citizens about the soldiers’ lives.


    Note: Map shows only Isaf troops - the US contributes additional forces

    Note: Map shows only Isaf troops - the US contributes additional forces
    This is a full list of troop contributing nations to the International Security Assistance Force, Isaf: Albania, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belgium, Bosnia Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Rep, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Jordan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Turkey, Ukraine, UAE, UK, US

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 12:21 #
  11. shimatoree
    Member

    The military strategy of the Resistance has failed in their sole objective - to drive the invaders out.
    There has been lack of focus and concentration of resources
    All wars are are mental games of strategy. Your enemy accepts he is beaten if you use ways to make him think so.
    In this case- the strategy that would have been more successful is the Hizbullah methods used when the US Marines and French Marines invaded Lebanon-( Reagen Presidency)- and suicide attacks were carried out against their barracks.

    If one or two or three or ten invading soldiers die in fighting- the political system can absorb.

    There is of course the issue of logistics-( for the resistance) but tactics can be modified to deal with logistical problems.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 15:36 #
  12. toamin
    member

    may be a stalemate but time & advantage is on the guerrilla resistance's side so it can be said that resistance has advantage over invaders

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 15:52 #
  13. achtung
    Member

    i see problem continue. if US not leave, it is a problem. if US leave it will start new problems of fights for power between different faction of afghan warlords.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 15:59 #
  14. No problem, even a bebus when really bebus has to leave Mr. achtung...there are no problems at all only for those who want to but with some sort of face saving!

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 16:09 #
  15. shimatoree
    Member

    semirza

    I am forced to utter the following-

    " Face saving is for those who have a FACE to save "

    I wonder what sort of FACE they have to save -( those who are organized mass murderers in a pre-meditated manner- The Western Armies in Afghanistan)

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 16:53 #
  16. Should be a lesson to them but they have not learned as of yet. Never to challenge writ of a sovereign government on a false pretext….here in this case it was/is war on terror or I would say war of terror.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 16:58 #
  17. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    They'v never cared for 'face saving'. What they care for is to;

    (1) stop 'Khilafat' from re-emerging as a political system in the Muslim World or delay it for a good amount of time

    No matter what the cost, what amount of human suffering, what the fiscal cost, what the consequences, they want to do it by any means possible.

    These people don't care for any laws. These people have fooled millions of people all around the globe for centuries! with their mass media tricks, propaganda, false reporting, false image projections.

    They are fighting to stop or delay re-emerging of 'Khilafat' system for as long as possible. They will continue to do so, untill they can, through any means possible.

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    (2) denuclearize Pakistan 'somehow'

    By remaining inside Afghanistan, they are buying themselves time, and more time, in order to achieve one of their more important objectives i.e., to denuclearize Pakistan 'somehow'

    One way of denuclearizing Pakistan is to spread internal chaos. How is 'chaos' 'spread' inside a nation state, especially one which has been rendered weak by in-fighting between different groups ?

    I believe, ALL of us can think of many answers to this question. We can all think of many diverse scenarios' (that they'll employ) for answering this question.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Jul 2010 17:20 #

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