Will Supreme Court going to ban MQM ?

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Will Supreme Court going to ban MQM ?

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Pak Truth
Member

Supreme Court hearing is undergoing. Would it be possible for the CJ to ban MQM, incase Dr.Zulfiqar's statment qualified ?

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 6:18 #
Rohail Taqi
Member

No.

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 6:24 #
altaf911
Member

It may not But should...............ban all parties who are involved in armed clashes

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 7:37 #
mangoman
Blocked

I am not against anyone.

But it is time Chief Justice and Supreme Court should take BOLD steps, and give people justice. Blood of innocent Karachiites killed in recent target killings should not go wasted.

Ban any political party who carry arms and have militants within themselves.

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 7:51 #
choosy
Member

he he he
kaaaaaaasssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh
supreme court aisa karnay ki himmat karay.

CJ iftikhar ka naam sunheri harf se likha jaye
aur Karachi waly unkay paoon dho dho kay peyein.

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 8:35 #
scandinavian
Member

Are we expecting CJP to take action almost everything? What about toppling this incompetent government who doesn't fulfill their duty?

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 8:47 #
zingaro
Member

Although MQM's existing decision makers are criminals but I think CJ should not ban it as a party but the culprits should be brought to justice.

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 9:03 #
choosy
Member

he he he
@scandinavian bhai,
jab hukumat ki bachi kuch nahi kar rahi tou CJ hi karay ga sub kuch na.

@Zingaro bhai,
MQM kay culprit element nikalanay ka matlub poori MQM hay.
sabhi culprit hain
he he he

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 9:11 #
scandinavian
Member

@Zingaro

Why not ban MQM? It's a party which is heavily infested with criminals and hence it need to be eliminated. IMO it is in the best interest of Pakistanis and those people whom it claim to represent that they start from scratch with no criminal past.

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 9:43 #
scandinavian
Member

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 10:50 #
d0ct0r
Member

Anchor is talking about Abbasi Shaheed hospital where pathans are not allowed to be treated whenever MQM starts its killing spree and target killings and arson attacks against Pathan owned businesses intensify .

these 2 Dawn News reports shed light on this issue :

Ethnic divide hits city hospitals

Intimidation hits ambulance work(MQM's terrorist hijack ambulances and don't allow them to pick and shift wounded pathans.)

http://mqmexposed.blogspot.com/2011/09/anchor-nails-babar-ghauri-while-talking.html

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 11:36 #
choosy
Member

Oh my God.
its too much.
MQM ko phanse de kay jayien ab tou CJ.
MQM is too cruel.

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 12:06 #
saladin89
Member

I don't think so, (but would love to be proved wrong) CJ is pretty useless. In fact I think GM was right putting him under house arrest. But there is still some time left for CJ and hope I am proved wrong...........

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 13:36 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is himself a big cheater. What justice can anybody expect from him or his institution? Where are Chaudhary's high claims of justice which he made during the lawyers' movement?

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 13:41 #
bsobaid
Member

Answer is No.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2011/09/110908_sc_karachi_situation_rwa.shtml

I dont expect a big outcome of this suo moto.

At best some MQM and other ANP and Lyari criminals will be sent to jail. I dont expect any high profile arrests.

To be realistic, if SC can even confirm political backing of these terrorists in its judgments it should be good enough.

In elections, I expect MQM to win most of its traditional seats but probably not with the same margin. MQM will try to rig elections in its traditional constituencies.

This is also the best time for Jamat to give MQM a tough fight on political front and reclaim some of its seats if they act wisely and smartly but then I think if they were smart and wise they would'nt be in Jamat.

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 14:44 #
Dusky
Member

CJ does not have the balls to go after MQM. He is trying to level some score from 12th May. This will pretty much end like IK cases against MQM in London.

Though I would love to see that he ban MQM, that will set some good precedence to ban any political party in future.

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 16:07 #
mugal
Member

Peoples r looking CJ as a last hope for pakistan,hope ALLAH SWT give him courage to expose MQM and take some bold steps against him

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 16:20 #
kulla
Member

a party will be only be banned if it is proved to be a terrorist organization.... which i think will be ve hard to prove.

I would love to see teh criminal elemnts from MQM, ANP and PPP all behind bars, including some high profiles from MQM, but for that their cases will need to opened or new cases will need to b created with proofs. .. however thats not happenening because our police or rangers do not have the training or education to gather evidence, correlate events with proof and logic etc...

maximum...some ppl will go under ground helped by the PPP goverment because their american masters will order a gentle hand.

and finally those who are asking CJP do do something are just living in fools paradise.. he is not a miricle man. It is the govt and its agencies who have to put solid proof and evidence efore the courts for them to decide....yeh hawaai fire ka koi faida nahee

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 16:23 #
Dusky
Member

@Mugal : "Peoples r looking CJ as a last hope for pakistan"

Pakistan's last hope is IK only. Please don't ridicule the party:)

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 16:28 #
aftab arif
Member

CJ is just a 'judge' at the end of the day, if the police and prosecution are not up to scratch, then how is it the fault of CJ. Bring clear evidences in front of CJ and then if he does not convict anybody, then take him too the cleaners,but people on this forum want him to take evidences out of the sky and convict people for it.

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 18:35 #
Rohail Taqi
Member

Today in Mehar Bukhari's show Mirza said that Iftikhar Ch. want to give political advantage to Nawaz by taking note on Karachi situation.

This guy has gone nuts.

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 18:53 #
Rohail Taqi
Member

Itna ghatia or neech admi na dekh na suna kubhi :)

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 18:55 #
kulla
Member

http://www.dawn.com/2011/09/08/two-booked-for-firing-at-police-bus-released.html

yeh tu halat hey police hi, JAALI FIR bana ker massomon ko paker rahee hey. As i said earlier, our police is not trained to investigate, plus they have no morals or ethics.

Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 18:58 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

Cowasjee once remarked," There is no value of court decisions in Pakistan". The judicial authorities started thinking about registering a case against his 'contempt of court'. When some journalists asked Cowasjee what he would do if registered in 'contempt of court' case. He said, "I have a file full of papers which are the copies of the decisions made by the courts and no action was ever taken".

However, Chaudhary will definitely try to level his matters with MQM for the 12th May case.

Posted 8 months ago on 09 Sep 2011 10:49 #
kulla
Member

Swiss cases still pending.. govt action nahee ley gee tu adalat kiya keray>?

http://www.dawn.com/2011/09/09/high-treason-plea-against-pm-last-chance-for-govt-to-respond.html

Posted 8 months ago on 09 Sep 2011 15:42 #
Qasim ali
Member

An eye openi article posted in MAKE BETTER PAKISTAN.

Altaf ,Farooq Sattar all hate Punjabi, Pathan ,sindhi. see their Past
Created by(Noman) Created on (24-4-2007) Replies(9) Views(3577)

"MQM,s first-ever public meeting at Karachi,s Nishtar park on August 8, 1986 , was marked by heavy aerial firing from the; pistols and rifles which the party activists were carrying on them."
The Evil that men do goes on and on. What goes around comes around

On 15 April 2007 the Chief of Muttahida Qaumi Movement Mr Altaf Hussain called the threat of 'Kalashnikov Sharia' of Islamabad's Lal Masjid clerics and asserted that Islam did not allow enforcement of Sharia by force and Pakistan had not been created to be turned into a theological state. Very True.

But how would Mr. Altaf Hussain and MQM justify the following:

If you would follow the MQM's history you would see that MQM gained power during the days of General Zia ul Haq. I am chronologically giving the speeches of MQM's Founder Mr. Altaf Hussain to carefully read the dates of his speeches were the days of General Zia, even the date of birth of MQM was in the year 1978 {First year after General Zia ul Haq imposed the Martial Law}. In those days General Zia and his Military goons only allowed the Jamat-e-Islami to do
politics and no other political party was allowed any political activities. So how it can be possible that Zia had no knowledge of MQM was coming into being.

MQM's first-ever public meeting at Karachi's Nishtar park on August 8, 1986 , was marked by heavy aerial firing from the; pistols and rifles which the party activists were carrying on them. On that day, windowpanes of a traffic police kiosk opposite Quaid-e-Azam's mausoleum were broken, and stones were pelted on petrol pump near Gurumandir. Addressing the rally, Altaf Hussain said: "Karachi is no more mini-Pakistan. We will accept help no matter where it comes from, from east or west, north or south" (dailies Jang, Jasarat and other newspapers of August 9, 1986).

Two months later, on October 25, 1986, while addressing a press conference at Hyderabad Press Club, Altaf Hussain told the Mohajir youth to "collect arms. If our rights are not given to us, we will use every kind of force". On October 31, while addressing a public meeting at Hyderabad's Pakka Qila, he said: "At first we fought for freedom. Now that we have freedom, we are searching for a country" (daily Amn, Nov 1,1986).

Riots spread to Hyderabad where seven persons were shot dead in two days. Curfew was clamped in both cities to contain violence, and Altaf Hussain alongwith ten others was arrested by he police on November 2 for attempt to murder and rioting. Nine other MQM activists were also taken into custody and firearms recovered from their possession, whereas 63 persons from other parties to the rioting were arrested from Sohrab Goth area. On November 3, ten persons were killed in hand-grenade attacks in Orangi Town area while six others died in street trouble,
brining the week's death toll in Karachi to 52.

On November 18, armed MQM activists fired in the air to disrupt a cricket match in Hyderabad's Niaz Stadium. On November 21, at the end of a one-day cricket match between Pakistan and West Indies, armed MQM activists blocked all roads leading to Karachi's National Stadium. 30 persons received bullet wounds in indiscriminate firing in the Liaquatabad. Teen Hatti, Gulbahar, Orangi, Sabzi Mandi, Nazimabad and other areas of the city. A bank was burnt in Liaquatabad,
while a bus was put on fire on Shahrah-e-Quaideen. One November 22, three buses and an oil tanker were burnt in Landhi, while a branch of the National Bank was ransacked and torched in Liaquatabad.

Another government bus and a minibus were burnt in Malir and Old Numaish, and several buses were pelted with stones on November 23. On November 24, 11 vehicles were burnt down in New Karachi, Federal B' Area, Paposhnagar, Gulbahar and Nasirabad. On November 28, armed clashes between MQM activists and the police took place in Hyderabad during which five bank
branches were damaged and one bus put on fire.

MQM announced a strike in Karachi on December 9 and asked its followers to remain peaceful. The 'peaceful' strike led to the burning of 11 vehicles and seven bank branches. One youngster was killed, and nearly 40 wounded in indiscriminate firing. Demonstrators pelted stones on the police and a bomb was blasted near Liaquatabad police station. The police became helpless
against protesters" (daily Amn). On December 14, MQM's secretary general Dr Imran Farooq stated that the situation could be brought under control only if Altaf Hussain and his companions were freed.

That night, 50 persons lost lives during ghastly manslaughter in Orangi Town . The army was called in and curfew clamped. According to newspapers, the entire Ghetto Township had passed into the hands of a group of klashnikov-weilding youngsters. 70 more persons were killed on December 15.

According to available statistics, as many as 173 persons were sacrificed on the alter of MQM struggle for rights, while 10 banks, 75 vehicles 24 houses and 20 shops were burnt during the last 153 days of 1986. The battle for Karachi's so-called rights had begun. On December 20, MQM Chairman Azim Ahmad Tariq demanded justice for Mohajirs, and advised President Zia-ul Haq to issue arms licenses to Mohajirs. After this, we will neither invite the police or the administration to defend us, nor criticize the government on this score" (daily Jang Karachi).

1987

With the onset of 1987, lawlessness in Karachi caused curfew for a record number of days. This was also the year when MQM's anti-press traits began to shape up. The coming days were to expose some of the most fundamental contradictions inherent in the party's structure and philosophy.

It was on January 31, when Altaf Hussain made the first most controversial public statement of his career. Addressing a series of welcome receptions in Liaquatabad on that day, he told his audience. "Mohajirs will have no god use for their VCRs, color televisions and other luxuries because these things cannot defend us. They will have to arrange for their own security" (daily Jang, Feb 1, 1987).

On February 1, in the central committee meeting of Awami National Party at Lahore that was presided by Khan Abdul Wali Khan, a resolution was passed stating that Sindh's Mohajirs were a part of the larger Sindhi nationality, and that there was no such thing as a Mohajir nationality. ANP was later to become one of MQM's most trusted allies in national politics.

On February 19, Altaf Hussain addressed another rally at Burns Road in Karachi. As the party activists started shooting their guns in the air, Altaf Hussain stopped them, saying "save your ammunition". The audience raised hands to give Altaf the permission to meet anyone, including G.M. Syed. During his address, Altaf said that Sindh could not bear any more population. "There are also Lahore and Faisalabad in the way. These too are Pakistani cities".

On February 20 and 21, 16 persons were wounded and one Suzuki van, four motorbikes and a KTC bus were put on fire during rioting in Liaquatabad, Shershah, Federal B' Area and Sabzi Mandi. Young boys in Liaquatabad pelted stones at the police the whole day.

On April 5, at the book launching ceremony of Shakil Ahmad Zia, Altaf made a hard hitting speech against Punjab, the Punjabis and the army. "You used force, and the result was that the country broke into two History offers no example of such a large number of troops laying down arms. For those who want to send us back to India, let me say that we will not go alone.
The whole Pakistan will go to India". During the same address he issued his first threat to the press. One newspaper is becoming a party against Mohajirs. It should take warning" (daily Amn. April 6, 1987).

On May 21, a young man was killed when riots broke out in Malir and Khokhrapar in protest over the arrest of some MQM workers. Six vehicles were also burnt in the area.

In an interview with daily Nawa-e-Waqt's Irashad Ahmad Arif, published on May 25, 1987, Altaf Hussain said: "Urdu language is Punjab's problem, not ours. We have never demanded that it should be made the national language".

On June 11, while addressing the foundation day celebrations of All-Pakistan Mohajir Students
Organisation (APMSO), he demanded that Mohajirs be issued with arms licenses. He said the religious parties did nothing for the Mohajir Shaheeds but when a Punjabi died everyone from top issued statements of condemnation to bottom. He also said that anyone who met the Muslim Leaguers or was hand in glove with the government ministers had no place in MQM ranks (dailyAmn, June 12, 1987).

On June 21, MQM chairman, Azim Ahmad Tariq, stated that the anti-Mohajir policy of daily Jang would be fully resisted . He announced Jang's boycott, and asked people not to read it. The same evening, dozen-armed persons attacked Jang's bureau in Hyderabad and put the premises on fire.

From July 22 to August 30, clashes between MQM and a rival group called Punjabi-Pukhtoon Ittehad (PPI) caused the death of 22 persons, while 300 were wounded. Five policemen also died in riots, while 38 were wounded. Seven KTC buses and a local train also became targets of terrorism. Clashes between the two rival groups had first broken out in April, but arrests on both sides had caused the trouble to temporarily subside.

On August 4, during an address to MQM's general workers' meeting, Altaf Hussain said that the days of the power of the army and the police were numbered. These forces have been bullying us in our airfields, police stations, neighborhoods and streets. They have put the entire Pakistan in their pockets". He further said on August 14, MQM would announce that mini-Pakistan is not Karachi, but Lahore. "Throw open the gates of Lahore to Afghan refugees on that day, and let them do what they please" (daily Amn, August 5, 1987).

On August 9, the campaign to collect sacrificial hides began in Karachi and Azim Tariq, in a statement, alleged that the Jamaat workers robbed MQM volunteers of their hides at gunpoint. He condemned this act, and issued a warning to Jamaat. On August 21, Altaf Hussain told a meeting at New Karachi that the problems could no longer be solved without rendering sacrifices, and asked people willing to make sacrifices to give their names. Addressing the Mohajir police trainees, he said that if they are forced to quit their job, they should break the legs of their
instructor. A time will come when our people will be sitting in police stations he said.

On August 26, bloody-armed clashes between two groups in Shah Faisal Colony led to the death of nine persons. 80 persons were injured. Eight platoons of police, riding in 32 mobile vans, were present at the scene but could not bring hostilities to an end. Riots also broke out in Hyderabad on August 27. Curfew was clamped which continued unbroken for twelve days, until 4 p.m. on September 7. On August 28, chairman Jiye Sindh Mahaz (JSM), Abdul Wahid Aresar, expressed
support for the "suppressed" Mohajirs, saying that the army, the police and Punjabi settlers had attacked the Mohajirs as if they were a conquered people (daily Amn, August 29, 1987).

On October 31, MQM announced a strike to commemorate last year's killings at Sohrab Goth. During the strike, indiscriminate firing led to the killing of two persons. 85 others were injured while six vehicles, seven shopsand two banks were put on fire. A telephone exchange was burnt in Orangi. Three women, a girl and a man were injured in roadside firing in Liaquatabad and a petrol bomb in Pak Colony injured two police constables. Riots in Kotri and Hyderabad resulted in injuries to DSP and SSP Hyderabad, while offices of the Muslim League and Wapda, a post office, an office of social security, four bank branches and 17 vehicles were set on fire.

1988

Rioting, arson and murder continued into January 1998, ten months before the restoration of democracy in the country. On January 10, stabbing incidents and acts of terrorism in Golimar, Liaquatabad, New Karachi Shah Faisal Colony, Banaras, tin Hatti, Chand Bibi Road and
Rizvia Society led to the killing of five persons, and the injuring of several pedestrians including three journalists. 13 vehicles were also set on fire. The army was called in to control the situation. On January 18, four persons were killed in bloody clashes between MQM and PPI activists. Moreover, 37 houses and shops of the area were put on fire in petrol bomb attacks. Curfew was clamped to disengage the warring factions.

Nine persons were killed and 60 hurt in riots that engulfed Nazimabad, Liaquatabad and Sohrab Goth on February 4. The property put on fire included 28 houses, several shops, two factories, a petrol pump and several vehicles. Six more people were killed, and two vehicles burnt, in Liaquatabad, Pak Colony and Gulbahar areas on February 8. Curfew continued in different areas of the city. In a statement on February 21, Altaf Hussain said that Jamaat-e-Islami was another name for the drug mafia and the police. He called Jamaat's Prof. Ghafoor a liar, and accused him of towing Jamaat's "traditional" policy of hypocrisy (daily Amn, Feb 22, 1988).

On March 1, the driver of an oil tanker lost control when he came under attack of rioters in Liaquatabad, the vehicle breaking into a house and killing four inmates. This incident was followed by violent protest in which rioters injured 12 policemen including SDM and DSP Liaquatabad. Nine police vans, a minibus and an autorickshaw were damaged. Four more vehicles were put on fire. On March 3, curfew was clamped in Liaquatabad to prevent further trouble. On March 13, in his address to the Karachi bar, Altaf Hussain advised Punjabis and Pukhtoons to go back to their own provinces and demand jobs from their governments.

On April 30, an accident between a motorbike and a Suzuki van led to incidents of stabbing and firing in Orangi in which four persons were killed. 10 injured a bank branch and several shops burnt. The trouble spread, and by May 9, 31persons had fallen to death in factional fights in Orangi, Nishtar Road, Lighthouse, Pak Colony, Khwaja Ajmer Nagri, Nazimabad and
elsewhere.

On May 11, the incidents of stabbing rickshaw drivers in the curfew hit areas started. Six rickshaw drivers were seriously injured. On May 23, MQM activists hiding in Jutland Lines and Shah Faisal colony started attacking policemen and magistrates in order to harass
them.

On June 18, riots broke out in Hyderabad in which six persons died and 12 vehicles were destroyed. Two more persons died on the following day inspite of the imposition of curfew.

July 17, in the riots following attack on Mayor Hyderabad. Aftab Shaikh, eight persons were killed and much damage done to property. The bodies of the victims were sent to Sindh interior. On July 21, women activists of MQM stormed the Latifabad police Station and freed 18 arrested persons. G.M. Syed told newsmen on July 22 that both the government and Altaf Hussain were responsible for the deteriorating law and order situation. Altaf Hussain had become arrogant,inflated, he said. On the following day, Altaf Hussain called on Syed at Haider Manzil and the two leaders made and remove misunderstandings.

As per Amnesty International Report {1996}:

The earliest political organization of Mohajirs, the All Pakistan Mohajir Student Organization (APMSO) founded in 1978 by Altaf Hussain, evolved into the MQM in 1984. Ethnic and religious divisions in Sindh were exacerbated during the years General Zia-ul Haq was in
office (1977 to 1988, of these 1977 to 1985 under martial law) as he used them to suppress and divide democratic opposition to his rule. Ethnic strife between Mohajir and Sindhis who had initially jointly opposed the influx of Punjabis and Pathans into Sindh, rapidly increased in Karachi and Hyderabad from the mid-1980s. The MQM, led by Altaf Hussain, meanwhile
consolidated its hold on the Mohajir community. In November 1987, the MQM won local body elections in Karachi, Hyderabad and other urban centres in Sindh.
Mir Mazhar Magsi mmamagsi@yahoo. com

Posted 8 months ago on 10 Sep 2011 12:44 #
sultanalikhan
Member

In my view CJ should not ban MQM or any other party but must come up with a mechanism whereby some relevant instituitions like Election Commission, National Accountability Bureau, Nadra, Federal Bureau of Revenue, and Federal Bureau of Investigation and top-most Police get impartiality and total independence from political maneuvering........

Difficult but can be done, and right thing to do.

Zero tolerance for any unlawful tactics by anyone, all should be answerable to existing law!!!!

Posted 8 months ago on 10 Sep 2011 13:34 #
semirza
Moderator

My appolgies brother Sultan but:

Zero tolerance for any unlawful tactics by anyone, all should be answerable to existing law!!!!

The existing law, the prevailing penal code devised and implemented by our colonial masters is still active as a backbone of what ever followed within time since they left, including Election Commission, NAB, NADRA, FBR and FBI are all in accordance with that curse of a penal code left back by the colonials to haunt us.

Let us get rid of prevailing draconian colonial laws (the penal code still in force)that managed to sublime on us as a catch2 situation..

Posted 8 months ago on 10 Sep 2011 13:48 #
Pak Truth
Member

MQM need to change her chief & activities for her survival in national politics.

Posted 8 months ago on 15 Sep 2011 6:31 #