"King Abdullah has done a lot for me and my family." - Nawaz Sharif
adnak
Gulraiz jee
میں نے رحمان جی کو دوسرے تھریڈ پر جانے کی دعوت دی تھی - وہ یہاں سے تو بہت پہلے روانہ ہو گیے تھے مگر امرکن سسیشن والے تھریڈ پر ابھی تک نہیں پہونچے - اغلب امکان یہی ہے کہ وہ ابھی تک اپ کے دیے ہوے جھنجھنے سے کھیلنے میں مشغول ہیں ورنہ بہت پہلے وہاں پہونچ چکے ہوتے
ضیا ایم جی نے بھی کنفرم کر دیا ہے
gulraiz55
ادنک جی میرے آنے پر وہ چلے جاتے ھیں -----------تم نجانے کس جھاں میں کھو گئے
These r copy paste " search engine" choolars(scholars)
junaid
"Tell them to be brave and fight with your enemies head-on. "
they dont leave the fields like brown fauji crusader.
tell your master to enough and not to massacre civilians in the name of capital punishments.
durrab
>>Only cowards fly high drones and high altitude bombings like they did in Hiroshima and >>Nagasaki killings millions of innocents in few seconds.
AR,
Indeed! if only they had beheaded millions in the name of Allah, it would have been so glorious!! Or some would find a way to imagine it to be so.
Cowards fly drones and kill, while the brave warriors -- when the rubber hits the road -- put fetching burqas on their heads and shamelessly try to escape the jihad frontlines... such is the exemplary conduct of a true warrior of Allah. Not.
adnak
More than 126,000 people all over the world have signed the petition for grant of Nobel Peace Prize to Malala. About 28,000 more votes are needed.
Abdul Rahman
Hussain Farooqui
Nobel Prize was not given to many deserving people in the past. Albert Einstein himself recommended Nobel Prize to one of his master students 'Dr. Raziuddin Siddiqui'. Einstein acknowledged the contribution of Dr. Raziuddin Siddui's assistance in the development of his major theories. The decisions of awarding Nobel Prize are mostly based on no justice.
Javed Sheikh
All the arguments to prove this incident as a Conspiracy are absolutely bogus and irrelevant.
All other killings were as a consequence of so called JIHAD.
....and during JIHAD and WAR---- Civil and Military people get killed------
this attack was targeted---
and Malala emerged as an ICON to 'cash the situation'.
There are such incidents in History---which help to create a positive Breakthrough.
There is difference between a Terrorist holding Kalashnikov
And a 14 years young girl holding Book.
All such attempts to cover the Brutal face of Terrorists ----- are just waste of time and might bring more frustration to the Molvi and Mulla School of Through.
pakistani47
It is strange logic that brutal acts are being condemned by awarding person with money that itself had been earned in the result of device used for committing brutal acts.
Hussain Farooqui
Shaikh Sahab
The so called Jihad was encouraged by the USA itself. Mr. Ronald Regan introduced the Afghan fighters are heroes of the century in a White House reception. I wonder why the same heroes have been demoted to the position of below zero (-).
Javed Sheikh
Why and Who Jihad was started---- is not the current issue.
How, why and who created Pakistan ---is not the current issue.
Real issue facing 180,000,000 is Brutal Terrorism without any Agenda.
Americans produced Taliban to protect Capitalism from Communism.
Communism, Socialism and Capitalism do have some hopes for humanity living in 21st Century.
Where Taliban want to put civilization back to Stone Age.
Hussain Farooqui
Sheikh Sahab
Thanks for acknowledging the fact that Americans produced Talibans. Now some powers are funding Talibans to shake up America in Afghanistan. The game is in between Capitalists and Communists and we are becoming victims unnecessarily.
Wali Khan told Zia Ul Haq that we were fighting a 3rd. party war and the negative results will be our liabilities.
Javed Sheikh
Parents have right to discipline----where a child gets spoiled due to bad comapny.
Americans are doing that.
Hussain Farooqui
The 3rd. party war ruined our beloved country so badly. Our country was such a lovely society in terms of tolerance, social values, safety,,etc.. The beneficiaries of the Soviet-Afghan war were political mullahs and corrupt generals. America merely spent 60 billion dollars to topple the arch rival. The billions poured into the pockets of our political and corrupt generals are being paid by the nation with exorbitant rates of interests.
Javed Sheikh
کوئی خربوزہ تو تلوار نہیں ہو سکتا
بکنے والا بھی خریدار نہیں ہو سکتا
pakistani47
@ HF,
How true you are! I can see great pain in your eyes while writing these lines. Yes our country is being ruined since then and deterioration is very fast and painful. I dont know who will reverse this process.
Afshan
یہ بات بالکل واضح ہے کہ بعض راۓ دہندگان کے نزديک ايک قابل قبول سوچ يا کہانی کی تخليق کے ضمن ميں بنيادی عقل و دانش کے مروجہ اصول اور يہاں تک ممکنات تک کی کوئی اہميت نہيں ہے۔
ايک بچی کو انتہائی بے دردی سے سر ميں صرف اس ليے گولی مار دينا کيونکہ وہ سکول جانے پر بضد تھی، دراصل پاکستان کے بچوں کی ايک پوری نسل کو درپيش خطرے کو اجاگر کر رہا ہے جو خدانخواستہ حقيقت کا روپ دھار سکتا ہے اگر معاشرے نے بحيثيت مجموعی اس معاملے کو پس پشت ڈال ديا۔ کئ لحاظ سے ملالہ پر حملہ ايک فيصلہ کن مرحلہ ہے جہاں حقائق کا تعميری اور ايماندرانہ تجزيہ وقت کی اہم ترين ضرورت ہے تا کہ قوم کے مستقبل کا تعين اور بہتر راہ کا فيصلہ کيا جا سکے۔ ان نتائج پر غور بھی ضروری ہے جو عدم برداشت پر مبنی اس پرتشدد سوچ کو روکنے پر ناکامی کی صورت ميں سامنے آئيں گے جو سماجی اور مذہبی روايت تو درکنار بنيادی انسانی اور اخلاقی قدروں کو بھی رد کر کے ايک سکول کی بچی پر حملے کو درست قراد ديتی ہے۔
باوجود اس کے کہ ايک بدنام زمانہ دہشت گرد تنظيم نے نہ صرف يہ کہ ملالہ پر حملے کی ذمہ داری قبول کر لی ہے بلکہ وہ عوامی سطح پر اپنے اقدام کو درست قرار ديتے ہوۓ مستقبل ميں بھی اپنی اس مہم جوئی کو جاری رکھنے کے عزم کا اظہار کر رہے ہيں۔
تاہم، جب ملالہ پر حملے کا ذکر آتا ہے تو یہ بحث کی جاتی ہے کہ امريکہ اس حملے کی آڑ ميں وزيرستان ميں حملے کی راہ ہموار کر رہا ہے۔ اس بارے ميں کوئی ابہام نہيں ہونا چاہيے کہ کسی بھی فوجی کاروائی کے حوالے سے مجموعی ذمہ داری، حتمی فيصلہ اور مکمل لائحہ عمل پاکستانی قيادت کے ہاتھ ميں ہے۔ حکومت پاکستان کے ساتھ ہماری بات چيت کے جاری عمل، تجاويز اور دہشت گردی کے محفوظ ٹھکانوں کے حوالے سے ہمارے بيان کردہ واضح تحفظات کے باوجود ہم کسی بھی طور پر پاکستان کی فوجی قيادت پر کوئی فيصلہ مسلط کرنے کی پوزيشن ميں نہيں ہيں۔ يہ امر بھی واضح رہنا چاہيے کہ فوجی کاروائی سے متعلق جاری بحث صرف ان عناصر سے متعلق ہے جو خطے ميں عام شہريوں سميت فوجی جوانوں کو دانستہ نشانہ بنا رہے ہيں۔
افشاں – ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم – يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ
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Javed Sheikh
Javed Sheikh
Abdul Rahman
That "roshni" will end up with corrupt to the core leaders thrust on your head. That education is meaningless if NOT accompanied by Divine guidance. If there is no accountability there is no mercy and no justice.
Javed Sheikh
World has witnessed enough of "DIVINE GUIDANCE".
that 'guidance' could not produce a single piece of needle.
Abdul Rahman
That is If you chose to close your eyes like a Ostich head in the sand. From atom to aircraft carrier is all Divine guidance.
pakistani47
JS,
Felt very sorry to see your attitude. As you mention yourself that you are 75 and not much time is left for you. Although there is no guarantee of life any person at any stage.
Dont you believe in hereafter, when you use world divine then it mean your believe in God but dont you believe in hereafter. May Allah guide you to right path. You can still repent. Nobody will stop you from supporting America after becoming true muslim. First and formost thing is Deen, everything comes afterwards.
May Allah help you. Ameen.
Javed Sheikh
I could not understand what you tried to teach me at your post?
"Achieve literacy even if you have to travel to China"
I am sure, you know who advised?
All sort of Divine Guidance has been consolidated by the Western countries where-----the so-called champions of Divinity are left with” LIP SERVICE” only.
pakistani47
Just to accept your argument. Material inventions are everthing for you. They are criteria of success. They are cause of denial of religion. Very strange.
No religion specially Islam prohibit from learning knowledge. Following are few Ahadith. I hope you are cultured enough if not muslim and you will not disgrace the words of prophet. It is your choice to accept them or not.
6447
'A'isha reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The most despicable amongst persons in the eye of Allah is one who tries to fall into dispute with others (for nothing but only to display his knowledge and power of argumentation).
6451
Anas b. Malik reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: It is from the conditions of the Last Hour that knowledge would be taken away and ignorance would prevail (upon the world), the liquor would be drunk, and adultery would become ranpant.
6462
'Abdullah b. 'Amr b. al-'As reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily, Allah does nit take away knowledge by snatching it from the people but Re takes away knowledge by taking away the scholars, so that when He leaves no learned person, people turn to ignorant as their, leaders; then they are asked to deliver religious verdicts and they deliver them without knowledge, they go astray, and lead others astray.
6470
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who called (people) to righteousness, there would be reward (assured) for him like the rewards of those who adhered to it, without their rewards being diminished in any respect. And he who called (people) to error, he shall have to carry (the burden) of its sin, like those who committed it, without their sins being diminished in any respect.
ڈر
پاکستانی بھائی اپ نے بہت اچھی بات کی . مادی ترقی کچھ بھی نہیں ہے اصل چیز ہوتی روح کی پاکیزگی جس کو یہ لوگ سمجنے سے قاصر ہیں .
نظر کو خیرہ کرتی ہے چمک تہذیب مغرب کی
یہ صناعی مگر جھوٹے نگوں کی ریزہ کاری ہے
اس مادہ پرستی نے یورپ کو اخلاقی انحطاط سے دوچار کیا ہے۔ اسے خبر نہیں کہ حقیقی راحت مادی اسباب میں نہیں روحانی بلندی میں ہے۔
مغرب میں اخلاقی اور روحانی اقدار سے روگردانی کا سبب یہ بنا کہ سائنس کے انکشافات قدم قدم پر ان کے جامد دینی عقائد سے ٹکراتے تھے ۔ علم کی روشنی نے ان جامد عقائد کو متزلزل کیا تو و ہ مذہب اور مذہب کی پیش کردہ روحانی اقدار سے ہی منکر ہوگئے مادی اسباب کی فراوانی نے تعیش اور خود غرضی کو فروغ دیا۔ عورت کو بے محابا آزادی مل گئی اور معاشرہ میں فساد برپا ہوگیا۔ روحانی اور اخلاقی اقدار کی غیرموجودگی میں مےخواری ، عریانی ، سود خوری ، اور اخلاقی پستی نے جنم لیا اور ان امراض نے یورپی تہذیب کی بنیادوں کو کھوکھلا کر دیا۔۔
ڈر
ايک بچی کو انتہائی بے دردی سے سر ميں صرف اس ليے گولی مار دينا کيونکہ وہ سکول جانے پر بضد تھی،
افشاں باجی ، جو گولے امریکن ڈروں گراتے ہیں معصوم بچوں اور بچوں پر ان کے بارے میں اپ کیا کہنا چاہیں گی
:) :)
pakistani47
@ Fear,
Thank you Sir. I have edited my post and added some more Ahadith. They are in accordance with today's environment.
adnak
Rahman jee
I saw the video posted by you. It is nothing but hatred for Malala in sweet words by the Talibani cult. As usual it was complete rubbish to use the shoulders of Black Water to exonerate the killers. Conspiracy theories is your way of life. Enjoy it.
Abdul Rahman
pakistan47,
You tried and got the reward. My father-May Allah forgive him was a staunch secularist but never opposed his children getting influenced by 'Mullahs". As he was a man of science, I gave him the book by well known French scientist and surgeon- Maurice Buccaile. The Book is called Bible, Quran and Science and it explained the origin and riddles of life with vivid examples. He compared the scriptures in Bible and Quran after performing a rare autopsy on the mummy of the Pharoah and he was convinced beyond doubt about Divine guidance. He concluded that the Pharoah died of drowning. The Quran was revealed 1400 hundred years back at the time the Pharoahs were buried under the sands in Egypt and no one has a clue about the preserved body of Ramses in the desert. It was not until 1905 that British Egyptologist Carter stumbled on the mummified body preserved from the ravages of time and was almost intact. Since its dicovery it has deterriorated in the polluted environment of Cairo. It should be noted that Bible talked about drowing of Pharoah but did not mention preservation of body whereas Quran clearly mentioned the "preservation" of body as a lesson for mankind.
SAIT
@JS ji
World has witnessed enough of "DIVINE GUIDANCE".
that 'guidance' could not produce a single piece of needle.
Survival of human race never have been dependent on science and inventions, if that was the case you would have not seen a single human being left on the plant earth millions of year ago. New scientific discoveries has only contributed towards the luxury of few on the price of the natural environment and by endangering many . We have survived and developed as human beings because of the development of social behaviour of our ancestors and not because of the current inventions. religion and devine guidance is also part of the system that improved our social behaviour and this social behaviour is called humanity. I can bet people can live without all the modren inventions of science but you wont see a single human on the fcae of earth if we eradicate the humanity amongst us. To me we have defined the humanity by the help of devine guidance and our experiences of past.
pakistani47
@ Abdul Rehman,
Yes Sir, we being Muslim must not get disappointed and keep on trying. I have firm belief that it will benefit us on the day of judgement.
ڈر
جاوید شیخ نے کہا
ظلمت کے پجاری لکھ عزتوں اور عصمتوں کو زنجیروں سے باندیں
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مادہ کے پجاریوں کے نام
زندگی کو صرف عقل اور مادہ تک محدود کر لیاجائے تو انسانیت کو کوئی فائدہ نہیں پہنچتا -----------۔جب انسان ایسا ہو جاتا ہے تو وہ صرف ہر قیمت پر صرف اپنا فائدہ دیکھتا ہے اور دوسروں کے نقصان کی پرواہ نہیں کرتا۔ عملی زندگی کے لئے مادی ترقی کی بھی ضرورت ہے اور عقل بھی بڑا قیمتی جوہر ہے --------- عقل اور مادہ کی ترقی اور کار گزاریوں پر روحانی اور اخلاقی پابندیاں عائد ہونی چاہے--- ایسا نہ ہو فر تہذیب یوروپ کی طرح زنا خانہ بنتی ہے ......جاوید پائی جی اپ مادہ کے پجاری ہو وہ ظلمت کے اپ میں اور ان میں کیا فرق
:) :) :)
Javed Sheikh
Dear Pakistani47,
Please send this sermon to those brutal Terrorists who cut the throats of innocents like butchers.
I have got enough of such Lip Service.
For the last over 1000 years, just let me know how many Muslims acted upon those Hadiths, you mentioned at your post?
******
To criticize materialism is escapism and defeated approach.
A human being needs all sorts of facilities to live like a normal human.
SAIT
A human being needs all sorts of facilities to live like a normal human.
No Sir,
You only need humanity to live like a normal human being, do you think you can define a normal human without humanity. Nothing bad with materialism, but it i not the base of the human development metrics.
Abdul Rahman
brutal Terrorists who cut the throats of innocents like butchers.
Ask a veterinerian who witness lots of throat slitting as to which method is more brutal? . The "cutting" of throats or incineration of innocents by high altitude bombings.
SAIT
Talbaan could be or may be are behind the attack on mlala, but for me the most amazing thing is that people started to jump when someone try to question the credibility of the incident, and you can see from the above posts US state departement has to jump in. My friends on fascists side, we exists as human because we learned to question things around us a long time ago, otherwise we still have been living on the trees. So I do not see any problem if someone is raising question on the credibility, they might be totally wrong but good thing is that they also are thinking in different direction and not following the herd of sheep.
adnak
Rahman jee
"Ask a veterinerian who witness lots of throat slitting as to which method is more brutal? . The "cutting" of throats or incineration of innocents by high altitude bombings"
For you slitting of throat may be a joyful and pleasing scene but killing any human being by any of the two methods is a crime. As regards high altitude bombings, it cannot be justified but taking unnecessary Panga with a powerful is equally a suicidal act. Ask your Masters not to use innocent population as human shield if you really care for those who are killed and wounded due to cowardly tactics of your masters. Life of innocent civilians is dependent on the fighting strategy of your masters.
Abdul Rahman
"taking unnecessary Panga with a powerful is equally a suicidal act"
adnakji,
Same utter nonsense was uttered when another similar super power invaded. What happened to that most powerful red army? No panga no victory. You call suicide, I call it shaheed. panga is mandatory. When someone barges into your house and occupies you do panga with whatever is available. You dont wait for angels. It is called assymentricsl warfare.
adnak
Rahman jee
I was referring to the Panga when your Masters were rulers in Afghanistan. May be, had they not taken Panga, they still would have been the rulers.
Perhaps they did not have enough wisdom to protect their rule.
adnak
About than 130,000 people all over the world have signed the petition for grant of Nobel Peace Prize to Malala. Some 20,000 more signatures are needed.
Abdul Rahman
adnakji,
Panga was thrust on them and they did assymetrical warfare and now they are close to crushing another super power and its cahoots. Read the thread Operation Faath and you will know how panga is working.
Javed Sheikh
What could be discussed with those who honor persons like Mumtaz Qadri as Hero and
Malala Incident --- as a conspiracy.
****
Someone from the opposite camp------ might come up with a new Theory----
That propaganda about Drone Attacks is just a Hoax. Drone doesn’t exist at all.
Picture of Drone is a computerized production.
asif65
I was referring to the Panga when your Masters were rulers in Afghanistan. May be, had they not taken Panga, they still would have been the rulers.
Asking for evidence for 9/11 is not a panga.
junaid
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افشاں باجی ، جو گولے امریکن ڈروں گراتے ہیں معصوم بچوں اور بچوں پر ان کے بارے میں اپ کیا کہنا چاہیں گی
:) :)"
فیر جی
یہ لوگ کچھ کہتے نہیں بسس انسانی وجود کی دھجیاں اڑانا جانتے ہے - کبھی قاتل ڈرون سے کبھی فوسفوروس - کبھی یورینیم سے
"they still would have been the rulers."
they are still ruling besides kabul. your master aka puppetry karzai is only limited to that city.
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