Zardaris references are droping so quickly, is it a new move?

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Zardaris references are droping so quickly, is it a new move?

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LetsDoIt
Member

Pls share your views.
In my opinion all the moves of zardari and NS are clearly against establishment. No doubt about that. and this is really very good for pakistan. But all of a sudden zardari is getting free from all the cases, even from the cases outside pakistan.
even if he is innocent, which most of us have doubts, Is it possible that it could happen all of a sudden?
Is it a coincident or a new move by establishment. ???\'

Although ppl are also saying the same on the inclusion of mqm in a ring, but i guess that was done to overcome the problem of instability in sind caused by ameen faheem.

Posted 4 years ago on 23 Mar 2008 8:35 #
secular_pakistan
Blocked

Ofcourse, the govt. gave a deadline to Zardari for the expiration of the NRO if they didn\'t agree to co-operation...yet it never expired and was validated...and then all of a sudden all the corruption charges, at home and abroad were being dropped one after the other...it\'s pretty obvious...

Posted 4 years ago on 23 Mar 2008 8:59 #
ozzee
Member

well zardari\'s vision has been exceptional since BB JAN killed. he has proved himself a ZEERAK politician according to Haider Abbas Rizvi (LOL)

big doubts abt Mr 10% certainly, don know where his vision gona end up but decisive moves would unveil true zardari soon.

wait n see

Posted 4 years ago on 23 Mar 2008 15:09 #
Anonymous

@ ozzee,
Some will keep on waiting to see what they want to show and nothing extra-ordinary is going to come up.
I feel Zardari, NS, Altaf and Wali have resolved to improve on their performance, as it could be the only chance to make Pakistan a better living place.
I wish, gradually, everything gets back to normal after a long 8 years of fake and foul illusion.

Posted 4 years ago on 23 Mar 2008 16:02 #
rafi
Member

This is unusual, how come all the cases are dropping so quickly. Sounds like behind the curtain deal.

Posted 4 years ago on 24 Mar 2008 1:48 #
LetsDoIt
Member

This is really unusual because the NRO was about to expire and just before its expiry, everything is happening so quickly

Posted 4 years ago on 24 Mar 2008 9:01 #
Beenai
Moderator

@hi all,
dont get surprised ...it is PPP ...we can expect anything out of it...
they have a track record of backing out from thier stances ....
1.London MPC ...BB backed out ,make a deal with mush..send Amin Fahim to MPC.
2.Election bycottt .....PPP backed out ...decided to take part in the polls.
3.MQM boycott....PPP after siging the accord,backed out ,and just striked a dael with the party ..everybody wants to get rid off...
4.musharraf resignation ...PPP backed out...ready to work with him happily.
5.lawyers movement....PPP is not a very strong supporter as NS ...

Reasons for above....
a deal behind the doors...
that makes them more under pressurize then NS...
they have atken too many Favors from mush..now they cant even think of talking aganist him.
Aam Mauafi for Zardari ...all cases gone including international cases of swiss bank and surray palace....
PPP shud move ...and grab the power ...
public ..who had voted for them against mush and dont want them to sit with him??????who cares ????
Democracy ?????ohhmmmm...change the stance ...
now the real democarcy is what musharraf is giving us ...
rest of the story is now the part of the past ...atleast for PPP.
They wud nt be fulfilling thier promise to restore judicairy within 30 days ...
i am sure ...
anyone who is writing my prediction...plz note ...
thanks

Posted 4 years ago on 24 Mar 2008 12:03 #
javedsheikh
Members

To all the respectable scholars at the Forum,

Politics is a wonderful combination of strategy and diplomacy to achieve the goal.
We can discuss and differ with the goal, but should wait and watch the direction of a strategy.
There is no final enemy or friend in politics.
America and Japan, once staunch enemies, are close friends. History carries a number of such developments.
Spectators cannot understand the move of a skipper to replace a fast bowler with a spinner, to win the match.
Yes, you have right to criticize the Government, once it fails to change for better.
Give her a chance for 5 years.

Posted 4 years ago on 24 Mar 2008 12:49 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Dear Sheikh Sahib,
i 100% agree with u ...
but what about those who have been tried and tested for 3 time ...
if someone is critical about Imran khan ,thats unjust...as he havent been to power ever.
if someone is predicting him to be proved a corrupt ..he is might doing unjust with imran.
but for the two major parties ...who have been in power ..
specailly a party like PPP ,who have been in power fot three time.
u can give a chance or a benefit of doubt ...
but at the same time ,u have full right being skeptical ...
as they have proved ...they cant do much about changing things for better ...
they were making palaces in london and accounts in swiss bank ,rather doing anything for fulfilling thier promise for Roti,Kapra and Makaan....

oh ...going to the positive thinking ...
we can expect that for the 3 time ,they came ,they looted ,worked for themselves...
now this time around they might get some time out to fulfill thier promises to ther ppl too.
i wud keep my fingers cross ....
God Bless our nation...
whose leaders knows only about Dealing tactics...
and the result is always in thier personal favor ...unfortunately......

Posted 4 years ago on 24 Mar 2008 13:21 #
ozzee
Member

undubtedly pakistan cant afford anymore looters butwhat the philosphers like javed sheikh and beenai would do if things dont end up as they expect???

well we the people of pak watan cant do anything coz we have been trodden like anything since ages, we have lost senses to decide abt fortune of ourselves,

NO regrets and no hopes i believe so.

sab ko roti milay, innocent na maray jaein, sab chalta rahay
AMEEN

Posted 4 years ago on 24 Mar 2008 16:02 #
javedsheikh
Members

@ oxxee,
1. It is not wise to start crying like a child, before getting an injection to lower the temperature.
@ Beena,
2. We shouldn\'t and cannot drop a player like Javed Miandad, if he performs poor in one or two innings.

Posted 4 years ago on 24 Mar 2008 16:13 #
Riz
Member

lmao,,,,,,,hmmmm,,,,,,sheikh saab looks like ricky ponting from australia,,,,lol

sheikh saab even checking temperature,,,,,,,,,,sheikh saab my man is impire,,,,what do u say if we take your LBW any time,,,,,,lol

Posted 4 years ago on 24 Mar 2008 16:23 #
ozzee
Member

Mr sheikh has the stemina to get injected as many times as politicians can inject without knowing what they gona inject(LOL)

i can only pray rather makin foolish expectations from same people, who call the politics a game of changing parties.

same **** everyday not different days

Posted 4 years ago on 24 Mar 2008 16:30 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Mr.ozee,
i am not a philosopher to begin with....
no2.i am an ordinary Pakistani ...who loves Pakisatn ,as much as any other can do.
no3.having different view points doesnt neccesarily mean that we start pulling legs of each other ..if u r short of argument ...thats another thing !
no4.Shiekh sahib is the most educated and senior member of Pkpolitics ...
we all shud respect him ...and pay attention what is he trying to say ..
no matter u agree or not agree with him..but he always makes a point to think ....
no 5.a human being can live with out food for 2 days ...without water for 1 day ..
but he cant live without Hope for a single minute...
thanks

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 9:53 #
LetsDoIt
Member

@JS and Beenai

The purpose of this thread was not at all to crticize the Govt before the formation. As i wrote earlier that all the moves of zardari and NS are pro-pakistan and anti-establishment uptill now. So there is no point of criticism.
The point which was raised was also not based on someones past. The question was Why establishment is beheaving in a friendly manner, although it seems that NS and Zardari are against them????????

Is it anti-musharraf movement from the establishment or anti-judciaciary?????

One sign is lot of changes in the important posts of establishment.
Another sign is **** like **** pontay and richard bouchers are again in pakistan. I am really ashmed being a Pakistani that why these ppl come here for dictations.

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 10:27 #
Fahim23
Member

@Beenai

I normally refrain to your posts, but you have written

.London MPC ...BB backed out ,make a deal with mush..send Amin Fahim to MPC.
2.Election bycottt .....PPP backed out ...decided to take part in the polls.
3.MQM boycott....PPP after siging the accord,backed out ,and just striked a dael with the party ..everybody wants to get rid off...
4.musharraf resignation ...PPP backed out...ready to work with him happily.
5.lawyers movement....PPP is not a very strong supporter as NS ...

What do you mean \"back out\". Are you implying that, PPP initially committed or agreed to Boycott elections and then quit?

Or they Called the \"All Party conference\" in london and then they backed out?

and I don\'t even understand what are you referring to here \"3.MQM boycott....PPP after siging the accord,backed out\". Are you saying, that PPP was part of APDM and signed not to work with MQM? Allow me to correct you that, PPP never said that as it was not part of APDM!

PPP is still demanding from musharaf to resign (please watch Capital Talk 24th Mar).

Lawyers movement is lead by Aitzaz Ahsan, Ather Minullah, Zamrud Khan, Latif khosa, Babaw Awan etc, all these forerunners are from PPP. The only party along with ANP whose workers are died for the cause of restoration of Judiciary is PPP (death toll of PPP like always has unfortunately been higher, but I am proud of it). The very first order of PPP\'s PM was to release the detained Judges. Beside a WRITTEN document in shape of Murree accord Signed by PPP and PML N is in front of us, and you have still doubts on the committment of PPP to restore judges.

I think it was PML N who committed nation (not once but twice) to boycott the elections and backed out.

It was PML N who invited the APC and then were the first to quit leaving IK and Qazi all alone!

They reiterated many times, they won\'t take oath from President and now they are taking oath. I think this is what the Back out is!

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 10:40 #
Fahim23
Member

I think this is the time we should promote the government colition. Once we have the fairly democratic system, we will have all our time to bash any party we like!

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 10:42 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Fahim sahib,
now u r in a defensive position...
its very simple ...
they never called MPC but they (BB)had commited to go to london and join it ,but at the last moment she backed out and send Amin Fahim..instead of herself going.
not joining to MQM was a decision of the same MPC accord and Amin Fahim had signed it of ....as a PPP representative there at london....
that was not by APDM but by Multi Party Conference (MPC)

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 13:38 #
ozzee
Member

keep it up, its really informative

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 13:48 #
Fahim23
Member

@Beenai

I don\'t know who told you that BB confirmed to attend the All Parties Conference (which you are calling MPC). From very begining, PPP\'s stance was to consider JUI-F a government party, because of their coalition with PML Q in Balochistan and sole governnment in NWFP. PPP considered APDM totally unnecessary as there was already ARD and warned NS not to trust JUI-F and JI. And you know what, it was same JUI-F and JI (the parties due to which PPP refrained) who ditched APDM by not dissolving NWFP assembly after firm commitment on the crucial juncture of President\'s elections. They also failed NS on his first homecoming when the streets of ISB were empty.

Despite the major differences, as a good will gesture, BB send its high-level delegations to APC in london and PPP agreed on many points of the APDM (as those were repetitions of ARD demands) but never signed any declaration or became party of APDM.

I know you hate PPP, but before putting up allegations you need to have a valid arguments if you want to be fair. It is not good to saying \"anything\" just to prove your point.

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 14:16 #
Fahim23
Member

Furthermore, APC was delayed twice because NS wanted PPP to be part of it, but everytime Mohtarma excused and finally on PML N\'s insistence she only agreed to send party\'s high-level delegation lead by MAF to london.

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 14:19 #
Riz
Member

suddenly nawas idiot runing around media and ,,,,,,,,,,,,,pakistan,,,,,,,,issue we all know,,

if i come to think of it,,,,,,,,,,,,zardari clear all clean,,,,,,,,some how billions of dollar shining in the world,,,,,,lol

zardari never allow him self take any step without public and army,,,,,,,,bcoz he knew any change happened in pakistan ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,first bhuttos than any another,,,,,,lol

my own views,,,,,,,,,,,,every change happened in 10 to 15 years,,,,,,,,always take 2 to 3 ppl,

zardari knows PPP and bhuttos ,,,,,,,,,,,last stage of democracy before,,,,,split in so manys,,,,,,where as nawas and shahbaz idiot still there,,,,,,,,,,lol

even new PM he still in danger,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,after 20 years ,,,,,,some 1 face army general,,,lol

answer to these question,,,,,,Riz politics and general syrup,,,

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 15:00 #
Riz
Member

lmao mr rohit,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,indian support zardari or democracy,,,,,lol

,,,,,,,yes in my views that needs more clarification,,,,,,,,,,lol

rohit have no idea pakistan based on army command,,,,,,,,,,idiots come after that i mean politicians,,,,,,lol

indian consparicey is all about why pakistan based on 93% muslim only,,,,and india based on biilions of 28 nation,,,,,lol

yes maybe is about kashmir which nobody even talk about,,,,,,,mr rohit in my terms of democracy kashmir is no longer issue anymore to this world,,,,,,,,lol

bcoz kashmiri always claim in england,,,,,,,,,,the person who have no cash he not kashmiri,,,,,so u see they already claiming,,,,,,,,they can build kashmir easily,,,,,lol

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 16:11 #
Riz
Member

mr rohit@

lmao,,,,,,,,,dead issue,,,,,,,,well i think issue is still there,,,,regaurdless your views,,,,lol

where as u mention pakistan is 2 tired,,,,,,,thats true,,,,,,,why,,,why,,,,why pakistani pay any price if kashmiri think ,,,,,,

kashmir is soverien state,,,,,,,,,,,,i be fool as pakistani,,,,,,,,why would i do that,,,,

indian economy compare to pakistan,,,,,,,they still loosing ,,,how come u always forgot billion indians,,,,,,,,only 16 million pakistani,,,,,india is mess it self,,,,,,,,lol

i dont think so we need some scholar for that,,,,,,lol

my own views,,,,,,,

mr rohit history shows,,,,,,,,kashmiri wants kashmir as soverien state,,,,,would u help those ppl who wants their soverienty before india or pakistan,,,,,,lol

as u mention pakistan send so many ppl ,,,,,so that muslims blood some how goes to western kashmiri,,,,,,which is wrong,,,,,

some how history shows pakistani ppl die in kashmir,,,,,,,,but kashmiri never look back bcoz they were busy enjoying western culture,,,,,,,,lol

if u talk about pakistan hands up and,,,,,,,,,,,,,why,,,,,,,,,,,thats true bcoz as pakistani i been stupid from last 60 years,,,,,,,,,

these ppl have to take their faith in their own hands,,,,,,,,,otherwise glimmers of darkness existences of kashmir ,,,,,,,,,it could lose the reality of the world,,,,,,,,

where as they helping one party,,,,,,,,,against pakistan,,,,,,,

keep in touch,,,,,,,,,

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 17:20 #
Anonymous

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 18:24 #
secular_pakistan
Blocked

Rohit,

Mind your own business. What are you doing on a Pakistani political forum? Do you work for RAW or something? Because if you do, your wasting your taxpayers money lool

Go prevent some satti in rural India, reduce poverty levels which are hovering at around 700 million poor, eliminate caste based discrimination, stop the 2 dozen separatist movements in your country, move India up in rankings from being one of the worst countries in the world in terms of human rights, hold people accountable for the countless acts of violence against Muslims and Christians and their massacres, bring to justice the people behind the countless bombings and acts of terrorism, and, then come back teach us what an Ideal country looks like.

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 18:39 #
Riz
Member

lmao,,,,,,,,,dont make me laugh plz,,,,,,,,bcoz tomorrow is gonna be same issue stands where its today,,,,,,,lol,,,,,,so plz,,,,,sake of human basic beilive on life,,,,,

u just describe what western kashmiri waiting for,,,,,,,,,,,lol

u just mention,,,,,,,,20 to 50 or billions of dollar,,,,,,,,,,,,do u know british kashmiri wealth in england,,,,,only 4.7 billion dollar,,,,,,so plz i am not stoping u for jump,,,,,but dont jump like maqdoom amin fahim,,,,,lol

billions of dollar are u telling me ,,,,,,,indian facing back fire in indian stock exchange or inflation,,,poverty,,,,pot shot 50 rupees,,,,,first poor nation as compare to poppulation,,,,

they have money for kashmir,,,,,,20 to50 billion dollar,,,,,i think u should correct billion in your mind,,,,,,,,

as i said ,,,,,,,my best wishes always with kashmir,,,,,,lol

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Mar 2008 18:40 #
ozzee
Member

Guys Could you keep ur argument precise which everyone can read without getting bored?

i guess we all read newspapers etc, they write facts better than what we know, so don try to be too smart,

would be much appriciated if your Post have something like ur own ideas etc

Food for thought

THANKS

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Mar 2008 5:27 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Rohit sahib,
plz dont copy paste same post again and again...
no 2....Kashmir issue has to alive ...not for u or me ..the indain or a Pakistani..
but for the indain and Pakistan defence ministries and armed forces of the both countries.
u know what i mean?

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Mar 2008 8:52 #
Riz
Member

i think he had enough with,,,,,,,general syrup,,,,,,he wont be back,,,,,,,,,lol

he knows the value of general syrup in pakistan,,,,,lol

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Mar 2008 12:49 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Riz,
i am sorry to tell u ...
u r having an expiry date Syrup....

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Mar 2008 13:45 #
Anonymous

@RIZ

what is this syrup??

@beenai

do u know Beena salwar?

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Mar 2008 15:16 #
ozzee
Member

@Rohit
r u student of **** politics?

or have serious concerns abt pakistani politics?

u ve fairly good knowledge,

but i would appriciate if u keep ur argument short (pani mein madani na chalaya karein)
ur discussion sounds good but sorry to say i could\'nt read such a long story

cheers

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Mar 2008 15:46 #
Anonymous

@ozee :

well i am not a student of **** politics..
but i know a lot about all my neighbors...........

i will try to convey my message in short..

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Mar 2008 17:30 #
secular_pakistan
Blocked

Do tell me something about Nepal as well Mr. Rohit.

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Mar 2008 17:40 #
Anonymous

1)Election in nepal in april 2008
2)Tarai mess is solved ,maoist calm and wanting to be part of government
3)Fake Indian notes are being flushed from nepal.And we know who makes it :)
4)Nepal is republic.King has lost his power..

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Mar 2008 20:51 #
Riz
Member

noway rihit still around,,,,,,,,,,,,GOD BLESS THOSE PPL WHO CALLED THIS PK POLITICS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,LOL

WHAT U HAVE TAKEN OFF,,,,,,,,i think beside my name u dont know ,,,,,,i have got very sharp eyes,,,,,,lol

never mind if u cannt face one single,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Riz,

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Mar 2008 0:13 #