27 thoughts on “Jirga – 20 December 2010

  1. مسڑ مشی تم کو ہر کوی معاف کر دہے گا ؛؛لیکن جن لوگوں کے بچے آور بچایاں لال مسجد میں جلای ہیں وہ تم کو کسی صورت معاف نہیں کریں گے ؛ اس بے غرت کو میں جب بھی دیکھتا ہوں میرا خون کھولنے لگتا ہے
    😡 :mrgreen:

  2. pakistani75 said:
    مشرف کے نام،

    ہم طالب شہرت ہمیں ننگ سے کیا
    بد نام اگر ہوں گے تو کیا نام نہ ہو گا،
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    سلام علیکم بھاہی جان آپکو یہاں پر بہت مس کیا جاتا ہے ْ؛ لگتا ہے برف باری کئ وجہ سے تھوڑا ٹایم مل گیا ہے

  3. Musharraf is the biggest Harami and he is one who destroy Pakistan like Zia ul Haq and Gen Ayub khan and Gen Yaha Khan.

    I don,t who many more pakistani army general will rule us and than will fly to UK,USA with bilions of dollars….

  4. A Loser….”Mujhe Dar Nahi Lagta” hahahaha

    Nawaz Sharif & Chief Justice se pent wet horahi hai….Kaha gayi commando wali Bravery!!!!

    Everyone lies except him….Bush,Nawaz Sharif,Chief Justice,Bob Woodward,Wikileaks etc…..

    Apni auqat par slowly slowly araha hai after a flop launching of party….

    Ab chaudhrys phir yaad aane lage hai…lol….

    Sab se pehle Pakistan…..se dur rehna Thats his complete slogan these days….hahaha

    Waise bari baat hai today he was not drunk….normally he’s always high…

    Tabla baja aur low level ke mujray dekh….thats your fate till death….Scum of the earth

  5. Mushraf did good job while he was president of Pakistan all his actions including Lal Masjad and Bugti s murder were fair.
    BUT
    The way he became President is Illegal. All his governing period should be named as dark age because He was illegal president.Its against Law. How he can tell a car drive not to break red signal when he is himself governing illegaly.
    He has no place in pakistan because He is just Foji basicaly who with power of stick became president.

  6. Well folks, you heard it all from the horses mouth. The man (if you can call him that) who ruled our nation since 1999. He has blamed everyone. President Bush, Ch Shujat, Imran Khan, General Gul, Nawaz Shariff, the American forces. Everyone is wrong. He is the only one who speaks the truth. His expert analysis led him to believe that a small corridor of air space should be given to foreign forces with just two airfields within our sovereign state. Of course he thought the greatest and most advance nation USA will not expand the operation from this gift which he gave without consulting anyone in our country.

    He expects the government to give him personal security when he comes back. I hope they give him the same security that he gave Benazir.

    He thinks that Gen Gul was ambitious. Whats wrong with that. I hope every general dreams that he can be a chief one day. That is what one works for.

    I am not sure who is a bigger ass$ole. Parvez Musharraf or those who support him.

    There is not one single word that he uttered today which would make him look like a leader, like a peace maker, like a visionary that we so badly need, like a humble person who would get on with people, like a person who can form a coalition, like a person who has knowledge and wisdom. His gestures and looks were as if he is still in charge of our nation.

    If Nawaz Sharif did not get on with 4 Army Chiefs than we all understand after listening to this Chief, why!!. Nawaz Sharif was probably more wise to know what dummies we have in our Army.

    A disgrace to our great army, a disgrace to our great country, a disgrace to our great people. One only has to remember we were living peacefully in 2001. No one attacked USA, no one committed suicide, no one talked about killing other people, no one gave refuge to violent people. This man changed all that dynamics single handed.

    Please Brits, keep him there. Maybe he can run underground trains for you.

  7. oo IK was annoyed over the distribution of seats, so Mussaraf was distributing seats even before elections.. that shows how keen Mussaraf was to follow his own 7 points agenda.

  8. Since his departure its been all downhill. But since democracy is here so we can eat it, breathe it and lick its behind to keep ourselves alive. It has kept me alive for the last three years I am sure it is also doing wonders with others. It has also given us a thoroughly incompetent Prime Minister who, whenever chooses a person to head a really important national corporation, picks out a similar goon like himself. Long Live Democracy!

  9. interview of biggest liar in pak history. this ahmaq believes that ppl trust him ! what a joke! imran khan was angry on seat adjustments ? mr phattu , he was ur pm ,do u forget ? lie is lie .every one can understand it.

  10. well nowww… after 3 yrs of gov of zardari… i think mush govt was better than these culprits… under mush rule these politicians wer never allowed to do corruption on such level as they r doin so.
    secondly it is obvious drones attacks hav been increases in zardari govt… includin wat operation… n wht zardari n gillani hav said bou the ppl die in drone attacks is on record…. shame on such politicians.
    USA said… mush is playing double game with them, it means mush was at least a bit loyal to his country.. but wht these puppet politicians r doing??? runing after power n looting our taxes.. its on record dat how this govt increased its wealth n are loyal to USA tooo… as wikileaks disclosed.
    so whts the use of this lame democracy… we need one man rule in pak… n he shud be loyal dats ittttt. we dont need JAMHOORIAT…. n these chor politicians.

  11. @ saima

    Demoracy gives you a chance to pick your on leader. Who did you vote for? Did you cast your vote even?

    Nobody needs to talk on how Mush fared but its just startling to see from a man who says he had worked on and endorsed genuine democracy is that the moment he left, the corruptest pest on the face of the planet is our president.

    Imran Khan is right and actually it is profound that “Hamain Fauji aamir bhi do number millay hain.” Even the dictators we have had were bogus. They came as dictators but soon after they played democracy and elections and all.

    A dictator has no constituency, hes not elected, he shouldnt fear a bad decision would loose him votes the next time round and he did show this gut at the end of his reign, but what stopped him from exposing nawaz altaf zardaku and co? why dint he throw them in jail and hang them in the chowk? atleast he would have done us all a favor.

    What happened to the nursery of new faces in politics he was grooming at the start? Altaf zardari and shujaat were new faces to him?

    Instead he partnered with them to prolong his stay in office. How pathetic could that be. 8 years and what we see in hindsight is a general who had a jolly good time living like a vvvip and when all is done hes hiding somewhere in europe leaving everything to zardaku. Thats what commandos do!

    We have democracy, maybe not the one we need but maybe the one with hope and we will eat it. With living breathing and thinking voters, we always are in with a chance to bring about a change.

  12. جنرل کے مزے ہو گۓ اب بھی ان کا انٹرویو لینے اتنی دور پنہچ گۓ، سالہا سال آرمی میں اتنے بڑے مقام پر براجمان رہنے کے بعد پاکستان کے سب سے بڑے عہدے صدارت پر رہنے کے بعد بھی دل نہیں بھرا پھر دوبارہ بڑ ے عہدے کے خواہش مند نظر اتے ہیں ہاے رے کرسی تیرا کیا کہنا اگر الیکشن ہوں گے تو آئیں گے اور خدانخواستہ کوئی سیٹ وغیرہ مل گئی تو پاکستان میں رہیں گے ورنہ آوروں کی طرح سعودی عرب،متحدہ عرب امارات،انگلینڈ ،امریکا میں بیٹھ کر پاکستان میں سیاست کرنا فون پر خطابات کرنا تو کہیں گیا نہیں،سلیم صافی تمھارے سوالات شاندار مشرف کے جوابات ڈا نوا ڈول جہاں جوابات دینے چاہیے وہ دینا پسند نہیں کرتے،مگر اسفند یار ولی کے بارے میں کوئی غلط نہیں لگتا ،عمران خان کے متعلق وہی کہا جو کروڑوں کہتے ہیں بلکہ عمران خان اس سے بھی بہتر ہیں کم از کم ان موجودہ تمام سیاست دانوں سے بہتر،مشرف صاحب طاقت کے نشے میں دھت انسان خود کو عقل کل سمجھتا ہے جو صرف تمہارا نہیں اس کرسی کا قصور ہے جس پر خاص کر جب نااہل بیٹھ جاتے،اس بات پر ہنسنا نہیں چاہیے کہ آیندہ بھی یہ ہمارے حکمرا ن بن جائیں کیوں ہماری قوم سے یہ توقع بھی رکھی جا سکتی ہے ہم نے کیسے کیسے حکمران بناتے اور برداشت کئیے وہ ہمیں ہانکتے رہے اور ہم گدھوں کی طرح چلتے رہے اور چل رہے ہیں اور نجانے کب تک چلتے اور ان کو برداشت کرتے رہیں گے شائد خود سیاستدان بدل جائیں کہ بس یار اس قوم کو بہت مار لیا ،بیکار کرکے،خوار کرکے،مہنگائی کا عذاب نازل کرکے،بعد امنی کا بازار گرم کرکے،بینالاقوامی سطح پر رسوا و قرضدار کرکے ہم مارتے مارتے تھک گے مگر یہ لوگ مار کھاتے نہیں تھکتے ان کو تو مزہ انے لگا ہے لہذا یہ مزہ ان سے واپس لیتے ہیں ،اب تھوڑی سی بات اس پر ہو جاتے جب حکمران دس دس سال ہر چیز کی انتہا کر دیتے ہیں ہم کروڑوں اس کو برداشت کرتے ہیں ایک ہزار اکھٹے نہیں ہوتے اس کے خلاف آواز اٹھانے کے لیے اور جب وہ لوٹ کھسوٹ کر چلا جاتا ہے تو ہماری غیرت اور غصہ جاگتا ہےساتھ بیٹھ کر اس کی برائیاں کرتے ہیں کیسے کیسے القابات سے نوازتے ہیں یہ جانتے ہووے کہ وہ اب ہمار ا کچھ نہیں بگاڑ سکتا حالانکہ اس نے جو بگاڑنا ہوتا ہے بگاڑ بلکہ تباہ و برباد کرکے چلا جاتا ہے اور ہم لکیر کو پیٹتے رہتے ہیں جبکہ رہی سہی کسر موجودہ ٹولے پوری کر رہے ہوتے ہیں یہ نہیں دیکھتے بعد میں یہی قوم یہی القابات انہیں نوازے گی چلو قوم تو ابھی بھی نواز رہی ہے ساتھی بھی نوازیں گے یہ قوم پیٹتی رہی ہے اور رہے گی اس کالی اندھیری رات کی صبح دور دور تک نظر نہیں اتی ہماری تقریبا تین نسلیں سفر میں ہیں ایک وہ جو ہندوستانی پیدا ہووے اور بعد میں پاکستانی کہلاۓ دوسری ہم جو کہنے کے لیے آزاد دیس میں پیدا ہووے مگر آزاد بنے نہیں اور ایک تازہ مشرف اور زرداری کے دورے بادشاہت کی نسل کس کو کیا ملا اور کس نے کیا دیا کوئی گنتی نہیں بلکہ لینا دینا نہ ہونے کے برابر، جبکہ سیاست دانوں نے بہت بہت بہت کچھ پایا بلکہ پایا ہی پایا قبر اور جہنم کی اگ کو بھڑ کا نے کے لیے اور ہم قوم یعنی ناسمجھ اور بار بار ایک ہی سوراخ سے ڈسی ہوئی خود اپنے اوپر عذاب مسلط کی ہوئی یہی کہ سکتی ہے اپنے ناقبت اندیش حکمرانو ں کو سدھر جاؤ اللہ کے واسطے سدھر جاؤ ہم نے تو سدھرنا نہیں تم ہی کچھ حیا کر لو مرے ہووے کو مارتے ہو کفن تک نہیں دیتے بس ہم اتنا کہ سکتے ہیں
    پڑھی نمازے جنازہ ہماری غیروں نے
    مرے تھے جن کے لیے وہ رہے وضو کرتے

  13. @ SAZA
    Musharaf THE TRAITOR, The biggest bayghairat ever produced by Pakistan.

    معاف کرنا. یہ پاکستان میں پروڈیوس نہیں ہوا تھا. انڈیا سے درآمد کیا گیا تھا. آپ اسکو پاکستان کی پیداوار کہ کر پاکستان کی توہیں نہ کریں

    🙂 😉

  14. In a recent interview Pervez Muharraf admitted that he was indeed betrayed by no other than his own generals. Saleem Safi asked him out of the politicians he acquainted with during his era whom he found the person with “character” and who “disappointed” him most. After long pause and thinking Pervez Musharraf answered “kuch … kuch… faujioon nay” (some generals). It would be worth listening him
    http://pkpolitics.com/2010/12/20/jirga-20-december-2010/
    Fast forward to 26:00 minute.

    I am a firm believer in the untiring and unmatched struggle of people of Pakistan against the worst dictators in the world history. However in 2007 people of Pakistan surprisingly found unexpected associates in their struggle against the worst dictatorship of 21st century. These unexpected supporters were media and judiciary of Pakistan, the two trusted allies of the dictators through out Pakistan’s history. It was really hard (and in fact impossible) to identify the true motives of these two factions, and indeed there was no reason to suspect them. Electronic media became the most lethal weapon against the dictator and his allies while CJ IMC became the surprised leader of the struggle. The “Judicial movement” of Pakistan in 2007 was indeed the best success story people of Pakistan had against the dictators. Media provided the platform and the logistics to spread the message of hope. It was a great success when in the elections the two parties (PPP & PML-N) who were thrown out by the military came back with 2/3rd majority in the Parliament.

    Despite this I could never digest the fact that the elements who are probably the first and last defenders of dictators and their cronies were fighting against the dictator alongside the common men. How was it possible? And surely things became clearer as the time passed and those elements returned to their formal positions. There is no doubt that Pervez Musharraf was betrayed by his own generals , the same generals who like him will not hesitate “selling their own mothers” to save their skin and keep their hold on the people of Pakistan. General Ashfaq Kyani and his cronies played their cards very well to oust the mad dictator. I always point out to the fact that it was Kyani who was present in that fateful meeting on 9th of March 2007, and he spent few hours with CJ IMC alone. The cronies of military mafia in establishment used to get instance by instance report from no other than the Kyani/Pasha. The mad dictator was back stabbed by his own generals and in fact my theory is that he might be trapped to become a scapegoat and perhaps get executed under article 6. As this way military mafia will be able to please the Taliban faction of the army & right wing urbanites.

    I am glad however that Pervez Musharraf admitted the fact that the generals of this army are characterless. Pervez Musharraf can pay somewhat for his crimes against community if he come out in open and tell the true working of this mafia which has kept the whole country hostage for over 60 years. Otherwise there are two hundred and fifty thousand wikileaks and 3000+ of them originate from US embassy in Islamabad, only 56 of them have been released so far.

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