Javed Hashmi Leaves PMLN and Joins PTI

Javed Hashmi, Senior Vice President of PMLN and a symbol of democratic struggle has left PMLN and joined PTI, marking one of the biggest achievements of PTI till date. At the same time, it has been a dark day in history of PMLN and has greatly demoralised PMLN and its supporters.

Javed Hashmi has claimed the move as personal reason, but several sources claim this move as disagreements on party policies and strategies. The exact motives for this move to PTI are still not yet clear, as Javed Hashmi has joined the party with Shah Mehmood Qureshi as Co-Chairman, who has always been a political rival of Hashmi.

If Hashmi had developed any differences, they could not be bigger than the achievements performed by PMLN with Hashmi and rest of senior members in a team effort, including the dislodging of Musharraf and Restoration of judiciary. Similarly, the very same discredited and dishonest politicians of PMLQ and PPP that Hasmhi fought against for 12 years under Musharraf and Zardari, it is beyond common understanding how Javed Hashmi would find comfortable working with.

Although Javed Hashmi struggled the most under General Musharraf, PMLN as a party was kept alive by a team of few good men, who faced hardships yet proved their loyalty with their commitments. In contrast to that, PTI has senior members like Mian Azhar, whom led the revolt against PMLN and were directly responsible for sufferings of Javed Hashmi.

Just recently on 15th March 2009, Javed Hashmi was manhandled by police before getting arrested in the hometown of Qureshi, while entire Punjab police was under control of Zardari and Gillani under PPP Governor Rule with support of Shah Mahmood Qureshi. This makes us wonder if the differences between Hashmi and PMLN had become far greater than his differences with likes of Mian Azhar and Shah Mehmood Qureshi of PTI?

Secondly, the people of Pakistan have always loved and rewarded Javed Hashmi on name of Nawaz Sharif. The elections of 2008 are one of the examples, where Javed Hashmi lost his home seat in rural Multan but won the urban seats of Lahore and Rawalpindi on PMLN strongholds. Would these people feel betrayed by Javed Hashmi? Do you think Javed Hashmi would be able to get the same level of support by same people under PTI’s flag?

The departure of Javed Hashmi should also be a wakeup call for PMLN, who needs to put its house in order and make a clear strategy to engage with public and to provide solutions to steer this country out of crises. Their leadership should also keep distance with any “Khushamdi Group” that advises them with suicidal policies of promoting their family members like Captain Safdar and Maryam Nawaz in the youth.

For PTI, the inclusion of Javed Hashmi is a very positive development and it would bring political maturity in higher ranks of PTI and Imran Khan can learn from the vast experience brought by Javed Hashmi.

179 thoughts on “Javed Hashmi Leaves PMLN and Joins PTI

  1. I think one thing you missed out and it’s pretty significant, you say JH will have problem with Q-League people in PTI but dear what about the Q-League politicians who have joined PML-N, didn’t JH have problem with these people. The problems is within PML-N.

  2. خیر صدمات تو نواز لیگ کافی دنوں سے برداشت کر رھی ھے، لیکن اس خبر میں ستم ظریفی یہ ھے کہ جاوید ہاشمی پر اسٹبلشمنٹ کا الزام بھی نہیں لگایا جا سکتا .،،،سنا ھے راے ونڈ دربار میں آج رت جگا ھے …شاید کوئی محفل شبینہ منقعد ہو رھی ہو ……

  3. Well done Imran Khan and all PTI rank and file. Keep up the good work and encourage good people from all over Pakistan to join your team. Our prayers are for Imran and PTI. As our great Allama says–

    “Tundiai baad-i-mukhalif sa na ghabraa ai Uqaab,
    ye toh chaltee hai tujhe unchaa urrhane ke liyai”

  4. It is unfortunate that a Hashmi is going to work under the leader ship of a cricket player know as “playboy”.
    Before Dhaka Fall the motto (Slogan) of Pakistan Army was “Shaheed or Ghazi” that unofficially transformed into “Shaheed, Ghazi or Niazi” afterward. What Tsunami? What Change?
    For a positive change in Today’s Pakistan a leader with the character of Omar Bin Abdul Azeez (R.A.A) is call of the day.
    If a Hashmi is expecting change under the leadership of a person with the above mentioned character, impossible……impossible. To know details about a Tsunami Leader click links below:

  5. We love Javed Hashmi for years. May ALlah BLess you and help u succeed in your positive objectives !!!
    A Brave Man !
    kis Sher ki Aamad hey keh Ran kaanp raha hey !!!

  6. Very sad to seem him leaving PMLN.

    Having said that, he is a HUGE personality and will be respected all around, doesn’t matter which party he joins.

  7. nawaz shreef deserve this,he did,nt learn fr his mistakes in past.he should be more humble,more pro democracy,more idealist,more cooperative to other political forces,should not go on the path of 90,s politics,more he discredit ppp,more he get discredit himself.javaid hashmi,s exit is so big blow to pmln,it will never recover itself.

  8. جب پارٹیوں میں بھائی، بہویں، بیٹیاں، داماد، چچا بھتیجے چھا جا ئیں تو پھر ایسا ھی ھونا چا ھیے۔ باقی لوگوں کو بھی اپنے مستقبل کا فیصلہ جلد کر لینا چاھیے

  9. چوھدری نثار ایک مشکو ک کردار کا آدمی ھے اس کو جاوید ھاشمی پر ترجیح سمجھ سے باھر ھے

  10. Javaid hashmi ka faisla bilkol saheh he IK iss wakat sab se behter leader he Imran khan ka hath or mazboot ho ga or party or IK ka mission hijack nahin ho ga .PML N ko abb apni adat tabdil karana ho ge or badshahat wala zehan abb Pakistan mein nahin chal sakta

  11. Listening to Javed Hashmi’s interview today and comments from some of his colleagues, it is amazing that he remained in PMLN for so long. He was very sour and longing for attention.
    He never admitted that he ever made a mistake although his behavior towards party leadership was insulting at many occasions. Even then, he was given multiple tickets to contest to ensure his election. His daughter was also made an MNA, even after he had a hard time winning his home seat.

    I think he has nobody but himself to blame. Good luck to him in his new adventure.

  12. Khawaja saad rafique ko bhi abb buttism se bahir nikal ker pakistani ban ker sochna chahiye or Pml.N per pressure build kerna chahiye.

  13. mein bhut arsa say jaanta tha keh JH bawafaee kar jaye ga. Meray dost is bath ko sanjeedagi say nahin laytay thaey. Bhut afsoas hay Hashemi Sahib. Bhut say logon ko aap ke baray mein zeerak aur danaa honay ki khush fahmi thi.

    Jab Mush ne coup kiya tha to Sheik Rasheed jaisay samajtay thay keh NS kabhi siyast nahin karay ga. Mujeh aik din bhi yeh wahm naheen guzra tha ke NS wapis nahin aaey ga. Aaj usee Sheikh Rasheed ki haysiyyat do takkay ke brabar bhi nahin.

    Waqat batay ga, InshAllah, keh JH ne bhi Sheik Rasheed jaysi ghalti ki hay.

  14. First an objective analysis of some points in this article, though it does not ask for a reply as (doesn’t it sicken you?) the writer’s name is also a secret.

    >> If Hashmi had developed any differences, they could not be bigger than the achievements performed by PMLN with Hashmi and rest of senior members in a team effort, including the dislodging of Musharraf and Restoration of judiciary.

    Sure, the move itself says the differences are bigger enough. This is not an impulsive thing, you all know, it had been there for quite a while now.

    By the way, how easily and generously you award all credit to PML-N for dislodging Musharaf and for restoration of judiciary. These movements were started by masses much before the Sharifs landed back from Jeddah. Musharaf and Sharifs have different accounts to settle against each other, which is still not over, but the nation got rid of Mush by first standing against him on the judiciary issue and the voting him and his party out in 2008 elections. Thank you very much!

    >> Similarly, the very same discredited and dishonest politicians of PMLQ and PPP that Hasmhi fought against for 12 years under Musharraf and Zardari, it is beyond common understanding how Javed Hashmi would find comfortable working with.

    Perhaps still more than he finds himself comfortable with N-league’s policy of confusion, friendly opposition, and ‘dealing that you keep the center and we have Punjab’. And about as much as he finds dealing with Rana, Rasheed, Siddiq-ul-Farooq, etc., now that their words are let loose against him.

    Secondly, you make it sound like a whole issue of personalities. That Hashmi will interact with Qureshi and Mian Azhar now! Sir, there are things larger than people. Hashmi said in a talk show that the struggle against Musharaf was not for changing only the faces. That “we did not have any issue with Mush’s appearance”, rather it was the policies and the system.

    @short life endless plans
    you compared this to Sh Rasheed’s leaving. Remember, Sheikh sb was attracted by the glory of riches and power of Musharaf. Hashmi sb is leaving a powerful position in exchange for nothing in a party which is yet to prove its metal. So please come out of this wishful thinking and see where N is going wrong.

  15. @mzafar
    “”It is unfortunate that a Hashmi is going to work under the leader ship of a cricket player know as “playboy”.””

    dont want to come down to your level, but before rainsing questions on IK’s personal life, you should have read “Kim Barker’s” book to see the real face of your “Ameer-ul-Momineen”

  16. جاوید ہاشمی کو مسلم لیگ نوں میں کافی عرصے سے کچھ حد تک نظر انداز کیا جا رہا تھا جسکی اکثر وہ شکایت بھی کرتے رہتے تھے. ان سب شکایات کے باوجود انہیں پارٹی اور کارکنوں میں انتہائی احترام کی نظر سے دیکھا جاتا تھا. انہیں اسقدر نظر انداز نہیں کیا گیا تھا کہ وہ یہ انتہائی قدم اٹھاتے. اسکی مثال پچھلے انتخابات میں انہیں مسلم لیگ کی تین انتہائی اہم سیٹوں سے انتخاب لڑانا تھا

    ایک دن پہلے جاوید ہاشمی نے خواجہ رفیق شہید کی برسی پر جو تقریر کی اسمیں بھی اس نے کھل کر نواز شریف کی مداح سرائی کی

    یہ درست ہے کہ میاں نواز شریف نے پارٹی کو بھائیوں بھتیجوں، بیٹی، بھانجوں، بہنویوں، دامادوں، دامادوں کے بھائیوں اور خوشامدی لوگوں کی پارٹی بنا رکھا ہے اور پارٹی میں اقراپروری انتہائی عروج پر ہے. کارکنوں کی کوئی قدر نہیں ہے اور خوشامدیوں کا قبضہ ہے

    ایک طرف جاوید ہاشمی نواز شریف کی تعریفیں کر رہے تھے اور یہ کہہ رہے تھے کہ صرف نواز شریف کی پاکستان کو تباہی سے بچا سکتے ہیں لیکن دوسری طرف اس نے کراچی کی ٹکٹ بھی خرید رکھی تھی اور سیٹ بھی کنفرم تھی. اسکا مطلب معاملہ جاوید ہاشمی کو نظر اندار کرنے کا نہیں کچھ اور تھا جس کے بارے میں جاوید ہاشمی زیادہ فکر مند تھا. وہ کیا معاملہ تھا؟

    آج کے ٹی وی چینلز کے تاک شوز میں انکے اردگرد کے لوگوں کے حوالے سے جو خبریں آئیں ہیں انکے مطابق

    جاوید ہاشمی اپنے دامادوں کو سیاست میں لانا چاہتے تھے جو مسلم لیگ نوں میں مشکل نظر آ رہا تھا. حتی کہ مسلم لیگ نوں میں میاں صاحبان کی اپنی اقرپروری کی وجہ سے جاوید ہاشمی کی بیٹیوں کا سیاسی مستقبل بھی سخت خطرے میں تھا. جسکی بنا پر انہیں اپنے دامادوں اور بیٹیوں کے بہتر سیاسی مستقبل کی خاطر یہ قدم اٹھانا پڑا

  17. Reading your views about Javed Hashmi leaving PML(N) i’m left with no doubt that PKPolitics is a paid mouthpeice of PML Nawaz and hence the sadness and frustration in the comments are so visible.
    To all the members of this website, though we are grateful of being provided a service to watch all programs, still the views are totally biased against the military and Imran Khan.
    If you guys have a certain ideology, then express it openly and say we are a wing of PML(N) rather than acting as a messenger of information and platform for political views.

  18. @MZafar

    Brother! you concern is very considerable. But I think if a person has committed sins in past, but seeks true forgiveness from Allah SWT later. There are very obvious chances that Allah will forgive him/her. And he/she can have second chances.

    Few examples.

    1. Hazrat Umar Farooq (RaziAllah anhu) went kill our beloved prophet (SAW), but when heard Quran, he completely changes.
    2. Hinda, the women of Makkah who get Hazrat Hamza () martyered and bit his liver, was forgiven by our prophet (SAW)
    3. Abu Safian fought battles against Islam, but at Fateh Makah, he was forgiven, and our prophet even said any person who takes refuge in Abu Safian’s house will be forgiven too.

    I think instead of sticking to the past of IK, we should pray that all these years have brought a good change in his character and personality from the point of view that you have expressed your concerns.

    At least we cannot point a finger on his truthfulness or sincerity to better our country. Further, we can also safely say that he will not establish his business empires or build palaces from the money that belong to our people.

    Allah knows the best.

    Kind regards

  19. ایسے ناداں بھی نہ تھے جاں سے گزرنے والے
    ناصحو ، پند گرو، راہگزر تو دیکھو

    وہ تو وہ ہے، تمہیں ہو جاۓ گی الفت مجھ سے
    اک نظر تم مرا محبوبِ نظر تو دیکھو

    وہ جواب چاک گریباں بھی نہیں کرتے ہیں
    دیکھنے والو کبھی اُن کا جگر تو دیکھو

  20. ابھی تو پر بھی نہیں تولتا اڑان کو میں
    بلا جواز کھٹکتا ہوں آسمان کو میں

    مفاہمت نہ سکھا دشمنوں سے اے سالار
    تری طرف نہ کہیں موڑ دوں کمان کو میں

    مری طلب کی کوئی چیز شش جہت میں نہیں
    ہزار چھان چکا ہوں تری دکان کو میں

    تجھے نخیلِ فلک سے پٹخ نہ دوں آخر
    ترے سمیت گرا ہی نہ دوں مچان کو میں

    اختر عثمان

  21. I had lot of respect for Cricket Kaptan Imran Khan. But I feel that the path he has chosen now will not bring any fame to his ideas and his style of politics. I have talked to so many people and they too have now some doubt even though they were big supporters of Imran Khan.

    But there are people in politics in Pakistan such as Javed Hashmi sahib. I always carried great respect for him. When I see him going to PTI. I again become confused that may be PTI has different and better program for Pakistan. As per Javed Hashmi sahib. He felt like he can not express himself in a way he wants. And I think if PTI changes its course and becomes party of old fashion politics than I strongly feel that Javed Hashmi will give up from PTI and might go into retirement.

    In todays 11th hour TV show when the anchorman asked Qureshi sahib that another Makhdoom has now joined the PTI. Qurashi sahib reply was little embracing. He said that Javed Hashmi is not a Makhdoom but his brother in law is. And he did not stop there but further said people in Pakistan are in habit of using names that in fact do not belong to them or words to that effect. I did not like the answer of ex PPP foreign minister.

    And I think these simple things and the already used politicians who are joining PTI will be reason enough for lot of us to turn away from PTI.

  22. It is very dismaying that Javed Hashmi left for a party that lost its ways even before coming into power. He could have gone to retirement than joining PTI. In any case may you achieve by Allah’s will what you wish to achieve. People like you will always live in the hearts.

  23. I am sure Javed Hashmi left PML-N because it was clear that Shahbaz Sharif and Ch Nisar were playing in the hands of Army.It was better to become a direct agent by joining PTI.What was the use of becoming indirect Army agent through SS and Ch Nisar?

  24. Great Decision by Javeed Hashmi.
    PTI is the best choice in the current political situation.
    Vote for PTI and Save Pakistan.

  25. salam

    ppl of such a great caliber should head a political party instead of being a member of any other political party.
    despite any differences or conflicts that hashmi had with n league, the amount of recognition, honor and goodwill hasmhi earned in n league after that he shouldn’t have left the party by any means.
    javaid hashmi has always used very respectful words for his ex leader nawaz sharif and these days imran khan’s only target is nawaz shairf and in press conferences and his addresses to the masses he criticized nawaz sharif with some disrespectful words. although for few days imran khan hasn’t been that rigid about pml n but if imran khan does that again in the presence of hashmi, will hashmi take it.

    whatever the reasons r, i would say this was certainly an emotional decision by hashmi, he would realize this very thing sooner or later.

    the way imran khan is accepting every garbage of politics even those ppl who played villainous role during traitor mush’s regime, i m afraid imran khan may make an alliance with traitor mush. these days traitor mush is going extra mile to make statements in favor of imran khan and the timing of such statements r very important. the way imran khan softly denies the possibility of alliance with that traitor, i personally think he can be convinced to go for any such alliance with him. in that case will it be acceptable for Mr. Hashmi. he’ll have to think about it.

    May ALLAH bless Pakistan and Pakistanis.

  26. @ Babu From USA

    Thnx bro, JH is the torch bearer of democracy, so all these theories that PTI was establishment backed has fallen by the wayside, this is a big coup when it comes to political symbolism.

  27. امید کرتے ہیں کہ نواز شریف کو جاوید ہاشمی کے چھوڑ جانے پر کچھہ عقل آجائے گی اور وہ چمچوں کے فضول مشوروں کو چھوڑ کر تمام مسلم لیگی دھڑوں کو متحد کرنے کی کوشش کرے گا۔ اگر اب کی بار بھی موصوف کو سمجھہ نہ آئی تو تحریک انصاف (جس میں مسلم لیگ ا سے ے تک کے تمام اہم ارکان نے ضم ہوجانا ہے) بمقابلہ پی پی ہوگا اگلے انتخابات میں۔ پی پی اپنی شاندار پرفارمنس کی وجہ سے اگلے انتخابات میں شکست کھانے والی ہے اور تحریک انصاف کو اسٹبلشمنٹ اور امریکہ کی بھرپور حمایت حاصل ہے لہذا اگر نواز شریف کو عقل نہیں آئی تو عمرانی سونامی آوے آوے۔

  28. جب تک نواز شریف چودھری نثار اور خواجہ آصف جیسے چمچوں کا ہر فضول مشورہ مانتا رہے گا وفادار ساتھی پارٹی چھوڑ کر جاتے رہیں گے۔ ججز بحالی کے وقت نواز شریف شہرت کی بلندیوں پر تھا اس وقت اسے چاہیئے تھا کہ وہ ملک بھر کے دورے کرتا اور ملک بھر میں مسلم لیگ کو مضبوط کرتا اور تمام مسلم لیگی دھڑوں کو متحد کرتا۔ اب نواز شریف کو خیال آیا ہے کہ ملک بھر کے دورے کئے جائیں جب عمران خان کی جماعت مضبوط ہو رہی ہے اور لوگ عمران خان کی جماعت میں جارہے ہیں۔

  29. All having said you people have missed one thing. even though JH deserted NS but no leader of PMLN will ever dsay any thing wrong or bad about him. Because it is decent political party. Leaders are truely top class. JH has been where he is today because of PMLN and NS. No one can deny this.

    Still we say good bye JH and be happy where ever you are. But bloggers do not forget he is a real POLITICIAN.

    When he was with PMLN estab party PTI never spoke a word of truth that he is GOOOD. Now that he is on there side a lot of praising about his personality and charactor.

    Remember it will be short flight for both PTI and JH. PMLN is there and will remain there to serve the nation. No matter who remains and leaves. Those who are ideologically bound with PMLN will remain with it.

    NS is being punished for not being able forgive estab and for under taking neuclear explosions. Uncle sam makes him an example who does not obey him.

    Our leader NS is not coward and he can wait. He is ther to serve and not for fun.
    One day you all will regret but by then loss would be too much to bear.

  30. javed hashmi a brave man ,a patriotic man ,devoted to his party ,loyalty and incredibility is in his blood.don,t u pple see that nobody from pmln could say a single word against him?people of ppp are also silent admirer. that is the personality we want in our leaders.salam javed hashmi salam

  31. @fmk


    What a pleasant surprise to see you back on the forum after such a long time. We missed you man! AND your well written analysis. So welcome back and I hope you stay and do not disappear again.

    سب دوستوں اور دشمنوں کو سلام

    میرے خیال میں نواز شریف کو اسکے اپنے تکبر نے نیچا دکھایا ہے ،٢٠٠٨ کے انتخابات کے بعد جیسا کہہ سلجھے ہوۓ اور سیاسی حرکیات سے باخبر لوگ اسکو مشورہ دے رہے تھے کہہ اسکو قاف لیگ کے لوگوں کو واپس لے لینا چاہئے اور دونوں جماعتوں کو ضم کرکے مسلم لیگ میں انتخابات کروا دینے چاہئے اور نواز شریف یقینا جماعت کے سربراہ کا انتخاب جیت جاتا اور یوں چوہدریوں کا بھی مکو ٹھپ دیا جاتا ، اس طریقے سے مسلم لیگ کے پاس قومی اسمبلی میں سادہ اکثریت بھی آ جاتی اور وہ پنجاب اور بلوچستان میں آسانی سے اور خیبر میں اے این پی کو ملا کر صوبائی حکومتیں بھی بنا لیتی

    لیکن نواز شریف کے تکبر اور ضدی رویے نے اسے کہیں کا نہیں چھوڑا

    سیاست میں وقت پر کوئی فیصلہ کرنا ہی اھم ہوتا ہے ورنہ تو وہی حال ہوتا ہے کہہ
    ویلے دی نماز ،، تے کویلے دیاں ٹکراں

    اور مسلم لیگی ہمدردوں اور بھائیوں کو میں یہی مشورہ دوں گا کہہ بجائے جاوید ہاشمی پر تنقید کرنے کے اور اس کی اب کردار کشی کرنے کے ، انکو نواز شریف کے اقدامات کے بارے میں غور کرنا چاہیے اور اسکو مجبور کرنا چاہئے کہہ مسلم لیگوں کو متحد کرنے کے بارے میں پیش رفت کرے ، اپنی ضد چھوڑ دے اور مسلم لیگ میں خاندانی جاگیر والے رویے کو ختم کرے

    ف ج

  32. وعلیکم السلام ۔ جزباتی بھائی
    جس جماعت میں نثار خاں آور پرویز رشید جیسے
    لوگ ہوں اس کا مکو تو بہت پہلے ہی ٹھپ ہو جانا
    چاہیے تھا ۔

  33. any pti lover can explain , the romance between altaf bhai and imran khan. The stance imran took against him , what happened to that. What is the guarantee that he will not change his current stance in future. murderer of 234 people and fascist party (according to imran) now congratulating him.

  34. @gre8nation

    Well said, he and other good Kashmiri people must come out of this one man and his family and friends, majority Kashmiri mafia like political dictatorship, kingdom or proprietary professional political scam.

  35. @FJ_ Pak

    بھائی جی آپ درست کہہ رہے ہیں کہ نواز شریف کے ہمدردوں کی جاوید ہاشمی جیسے محب وطن اور جمہوریت کے لئے قربانیاں دینے والے انسان پر تنقید نہیں کرنی چاہیئے بلکہ نواز شریف کی پالیسیوں کا جائزہ لینا چاہیئے۔

    نواز شریف کو اس کے تکبر کی زیادتی اور تدبر کی کمی نے کہیں کا نہیں چھوڑنا۔ اگر اب بھی اسے عقل نہ آئی تو پھر نواز شریف اور ن لیگ تاریخ کا حصہ بن جائے گی۔ مسلم لیگ کا پاکستانی سیاست میں بے اثر ہو جانا کوئی نیک شگون نہیں ہوگا۔

    نواز شریف جب تک چودھری نثار، خواجہ آصف اور شہباز شریف کا ہر غلط مشورہ مانتا رہے گا یوں ہی وفادار ساتھیوں سے ہاتھہ دھوتا رہے گا۔ نواز شریف کو چاہیئے کہ وہ جماعت میں مشاورت کا دائرہ وسیع کرے، چودھری نثار کے فضول مشوروں کو نہ مانے، تمام مسلم لیگی دھڑوں کو متحد کرے (بشمول چودھری برادران) اور ملک بھر کے دورے کر کے مسلم لیگ کو متحد کریں۔ اگر مسلم لیگی دھڑوں کو متحد نہیں کرے گا اور اپنے خاندان کے لوگوں کو ہی نوازتا رہے گا تو پھر تاریخ کا حصہ بننے کے لئے تیار ہوجائے۔

  36. I am very pleased by Javed Hashmi’s decision to leave the self proclaimed and believed King, the Caliph and the lord of the Pakistani poor, Nawaz Sahrif and his family and friends political mafia. Javed Hashmi is one of very few honorable men in Pakistani political circus.

  37. The hope in Karachi

    The fact that there were people of all ethnic lines united behind the cause of all the people, the common cause, the betterment of their country, their children’s future and their present, behind one party banner.

  38. I still have disagreements with Imran and some of the people he let in his party, but by enlarged, he is representing the change(hope not like Obama change), which the Pakistani people need like a life line to get out of this nightmare of two mafia Don’s (Nawaz Sharif and Asif Ali Madari)and their foreign agent partners in crime, , like Altaf Hussein the serial murderer and ANP red caped monkeys, playing political crimes against the Pakistani humanity in the name of western democratic models, forced upon the people of Pakistan via a rigged election and NRO.

  39. I feel, today is the PTI crowds day and I will reserve my criticism for the betterment of their party on another day.

    My congratulations to PTI for uniting the people of Karachi, thus Pakistan.

  40. I was in Lahore recently and I have been life long supporter of Shareef Brothers. But during my recent trip I realized that both of them Rungbaaz. Both of them are in love with themselves. Both of them will keep the status quo.

  41. 22 سال پيپلز پارٹی کے نظرياتی کارکن رہنے کے بعد اب ہم تحريک انصاف کا حصہ بنے ہيں ہم لوٹے نہيں ہم باغی ہيں گندی مفاد پرست سياست اور گلے سڑے نظام سے باغی

  42. NS shoulld leave politics now he may get more prayer in social work his incompetancy will only result in more 12 Octobers inciidents.
    IK is only symbol of true leader who can serve pakistan all other are family parties and
    they want to rule this country as a king in the name of democracy which only benefit their family members and bunch of greedy fellows .
    Inshallah IK would abolish This courrpt system and if he faild people will never forgive him and probably he knows what would be reaction .

  43. What rubbish , people of Pakistan have always love Hashmi not because of NS, but because of what Hashmi is himself. The political credibility, honesty and bravery of Hashmi is far greater than NS. PMLN is not sure whether to praise Hashmi, because if they dont people will laugh at them , or to condemn him. This article is a fine example of this confusion. The fact that he ignored his problems with likes of Shah Mahmood Qureshi and swallowed his pride, increases Hashmi’s stature as a person who can step on his own pride for principles and for the people of Pakistan. Those in PMLN are criticizing him should think again as in near future they will have to do the same for quite a few of their big shots , and in the end it will be 2 GANJAY AND DAMMADS left in PML N.

  44. I just read that few more lotas and khotas are also weighing their options to join Pakistan Tamasha-e-Inquilab (PTI). Foremost of them are Abdul qayyum jatoi and jamshed dasti. Just a reminder, first one is “everyone has a right to do corruption” fame and the other one is fake-degree fame. I guess this tamasha-e-inquilab will take out what ever morality is left in Pakistan. In short, it will do bera-gharaq and satyanaas of whatever remaining!!


  45. Quote

    Mr Khan said if his party came to power, he would accomplish the dream of the Quaid to turn the country into an Islamic welfare state.


    I hope Mr Khan is not talking about Talban Type of Govt.

  46. When political parties are controlled and maneuvered by one man, those parties do not have the right to call themselves as democratic party. When they can not implement democratic process withing their own home how they claim to talk about democracy. NS and Z must bring democracy first within their own party.

    And the last thing is what did you do when you are in control of Pakistan destiny or what did you do when you had the same chance? And what do you think that you are going to do nextr time that you could not do when you had the chance to do? So come on have some common sense and leave the nation alone. It is time for us now your time is gone.

  47. @saleem raza

    وعلیکم السلام ۔ جزباتی بھائی
    جس جماعت میں نثار خاں آور پرویز رشید جیسے
    لوگ ہوں اس کا مکو تو بہت پہلے ہی ٹھپ ہو جانا
    چاہیے تھا ۔


    مشرف دور میں جاوید ہاشمی، سعد رفیق اور پرویز رشید سمیت کئی مسلم لیگی آئے دن پاکستانی فوج کے ایک افسر کرنل ندیم اعجاز کی نگرانی میں جسمانی تشدد کا نشانہ بنتے تھے۔ پرویز رشید کو چودھری نثار جیسے انسان سے ملانا ٹھیک نہیں۔

  48. 2011ء کی عظیم ترین بغاوت …قلم کمان …حامد میر

    وہ جدوجہد اور قیدوبند کے زمانے کے ساتھیوں کو چھوڑ کر چلا گیا ۔ باغی نے اپنوں کے خلاف بغاوت کر ڈالی۔ جاوید ہاشمی کا مسلم لیگ (ن) چھوڑ کر تحریک انصاف میں شامل ہونا 2011ء کی سب سے بڑی سیاسی بغاوت ہے ۔ 23دسمبر کی سہ پہر ایوان اقبال لاہور میں خواجہ رفیق فاؤنڈشن کے سیمینار میں جاوید ہاشمی اسٹیج پر میری بائیں طرف لیاقت بلوچ اور حافظ حسین احمد کے ساتھ تشریف فرما تھے ۔ خواجہ سعد رفیق نے بڑے درد بھرے لہجے میں مجھے کان میں بتایا کہ جاوید ہاشمی صاحب تحریک انصاف میں جانے کا فیصلہ کر چکے ہیں آپ پلیز انہیں سمجھائیں کہ پرانے ساتھیوں کو چھوڑ کر مت جائیں ۔ یہ سن کر میں واقعی لرز گیا۔ جس شخص کو پرویز مشرف کی جیلیں اور تشدد نہ توڑ سکا اسے عمران خان نے کیسے توڑ لیا ؟ جاوید ہاشمی ایک ایسی جماعت میں کیسے جا سکتا ہے جو پرویز مشرف کی کابینہ کے وزیروں سے بھر چکی ہے ؟ حافظ حسین احمد نے تقریر شروع کی تو میں نے جاوید ہاشمی کی طرف سوالیہ انداز میں دیکھنا شروع کیا۔وہ سمجھ گئے کہ میری نظریں کیا پوچھ رہی تھیں ۔ پھر انہوں نے جو کہا اس کو مسترد کرنا میرے لئے مشکل تھا ۔ میرے پاس کوئی دلائل نہیں تھے کیونکہ ماضی کے کئی واقعات کا تو میں خودعینی شاہد تھا ۔ میں نے بحث نہیں کی۔ خاموش ہو گیا۔
    خواجہ سعد رفیق کو یقین تھا کہ وہ اپنے ہاشمی صاحب کو منالے گا۔ تقریب ختم ہوئی تو خواجہ صاحب دھڑکتے دل کے ساتھ جاوید ہاشمی کو عشائیے کے بہانے اپنے گھر لے گئے ۔ بہت سمجھایا بجھایا۔ ماروی میمن بھی وہاں پہنچ گئیں انہوں نے جاوید ہاشمی سے کہا کہ عمران خان نے انہیں بھی کئی مرتبہ تحریک انصاف میں شامل ہونے کیلئے کہا ہے لیکن وہ شامل نہیں ہوئیں تو آپ کیوں جا رہے ہیں ؟جاوید ہاشمی مسکراتے رہے۔ بیگم کلثوم نواز نے بھی بہت سمجھایا لیکن باغی اپنا فیصلہ تبدیل کرنے کیلئے تیار نہ تھا ۔ خواجہ سعد رفیق کی اہلیہ اور بیٹی نے رونا شروع کر دیا لیکن آج بہن اور بیٹی کے آنسو بھی انہیں موم نہ کر سکے ۔ اگلے دن ملتان میں نواز شریف کے ساتھ ملاقات کا وعدہ کرکے وہ لاہور سے نکلے لیکن 24دسمبر کو کراچی میں عمران خان کے پاس پہنچ گئے ۔ یہ عمران خان کی زندگی کی سب سے بڑی سیاسی کامیابی ہے ۔ جس وقت جاوید ہاشمی کی کراچی میں عمران خان، شاہ محمود قریشی اور جہانگیر ترین کے ہمراہ پریس کانفرنس ٹی وی چینلز پر نشر کی جا رہی تھی تو میں سوچ رہا تھا کہ عمران خان نے اپنے ارد گرد وزارت عظمیٰ کے کئی امیدوار اکٹھے کر لئے ہیں ۔ کیا جاوید ہاشمی بھی وزارت عظمیٰ کے امیدوار ہیں ؟ شائد نہیں ۔
    تحریک انصاف میں وزارت عظمیٰ کا صرف ایک امیدوار ہے اور وہ ہے عمران خان، جاوید ہاشمی کی پریس کانفرنس دیکھتے دیکھتے میں ماضی کی تلخ یادوں میں کھو گیا۔ مجھے 1994ء میں ریگل چوک لاہور کا وہ منظر یاد آ گیا جب نواز شریف کی تحریک نجات میں پولیس جاوید ہاشمی کو مسجد شہداء کے سامنے سڑک پر لٹا کر ڈنڈوں سے پیٹ رہی تھی ، میں نے بچانے کی کوشش کی تو مجھے بھی ڈنڈے پڑے ۔ جنرل پرویز مشرف نے اقتدار سنبھالا تو نواز شریف اپنی پارٹی جاوید ہاشمی کو سونپ کر سعودی عرب چلے گئے ۔ جاوید ہاشمی، سعد رفیق اور پرویز رشید سمیت کئی مسلم لیگی آئے دن پاکستانی فوج کے ایک افسر کرنل ندیم اعجاز کی نگرانی میں جسمانی تشدد کا نشانہ بنتے تھے ۔ کوٹ لکھپت جیل لاہور میں ایک دن جاوید ہاشمی نے اپنے جسم پر تشدد کے نشانات دکھائے تو میری آنکھیں بھر آئیں ۔ 2002ء کے انتخابات کے بعد مسلم لیگ (ق)کو حکومت سازی میں مشکلات کا سامنا تھا ۔ ق لیگ والوں نے جاوید ہاشمی کے سامنے وزارت عظمیٰ کی پیشکش رکھی لیکن ہاشمی صاحب نہیں مانے ۔ کچھ عرصہ کے بعد انہیں بغاوت کے ایک جھوٹے مقدمے میں گرفتار کر لیا گیا ۔ مشرف دور میں جاوید ہاشمی پاکستان کی جمہوریت پسند قوتوں کے ہیرو بن کر ابھرے کیونکہ انہوں نے ایک ڈکٹیٹر کے تشدد اور جھوٹے مقدمات کے سامنے جھکنے سے انکار کر دیا لیکن 2008ء کے بعد جاوید ہاشمی نے یہ محسوس کرنا شروع کیا کہ انہیں پارٹی کے اندر وہ عزت نہیں دی جا رہی جس کے وہ مستحق تھے ۔کچھ لوگوں کا خیال ہے کہ ان کے چودھری نثار علی خان کے ساتھ اختلافات تھے ۔ چودھری صاحب نے جاوید ہاشمی کے ساتھ گلے شکوے جیل کے زمانے میں دور کر لئے تھے ۔ چودھری نثار علی خان کو قومی اسمبلی میں اپوزیشن لیڈر بنانے کا اعلان خود جاوید ہاشمی نے کیا تھا ۔ جاوید ہاشمی اس وقت مایوس ہوئے جب ستمبر 2008ء میں مسلم لیگ (ن)نے انکی بجائے جسٹس ریٹائرڈ سعید الزمان صدیقی کو اپنا صدارتی امیدوار بنایا ۔ جاوید ہاشمی کو مسلم لیگ (ق) سمیت کئی جماعتوں نے پیشکش کی تھی کہ اگر مسلم لیگ (ن) انہیں اپنا صدارتی امیدوار بنا لے تو وہ جاوید ہاشمی کی حمایت کریں گی۔ اگر مسلم لیگ (ن) جاوید ہاشمی کو صدارتی امیدوار بنا لیتی تو آصف علی زرداری کو بہت سخت مقابلے کا سامنا کرنا پڑتا ۔ جب مسلم لیگ (ن)نے ”گو زرداری گو “ تحریک کا اعلان کیا تو جاوید ہاشمی کا موقف تھا کہ اسمبلیوں سے استعفے دیئے جائیں لیکن قیادت نے محتاط رویہ اختیار کیا کیونکہ مسلم لیگ (ن) کے قائد نواز شریف کو یقین تھا کہ جلد بازی میں کئے گئے کسی فیصلے سے تحریک انصاف کو فائدہ پہنچ سکتا ہے ۔ مسلم لیگ (ن) کے ذرائع یہ دعویٰ بھی کرتے ہیں کہ جب میمو گیٹ سکینڈل میں نواز شریف نے سپریم کورٹ میں درخواست دائر کی تو جاوید ہاشمی کو یقین ہو گیا کہ نواز شریف ان طاقتوں کے ساتھ صلح چاہتے ہیں جو عمران خان کی مدد کر رہی ہیں ۔ 23دسمبر کی دوپہر جب شہباز شریف نے کہا کہ وزیر اعظم گیلانی نے فوج پر سازش کا الزام لگا کر غداری کی ہے تو جاوید ہاشمی نے اپنے مسلم لیگی دوستوں سے کہا کہ آپ فوج کے ساتھ مل کر کھیلیں تو ٹھیک اور اگر کوئی اور فوج کے حق میں بولے تو وہ خفیہ اداروں کا ایجنٹ کیوں بن جاتا ہے ؟
    تحریک انصاف میں شمولیت کے بعد جاوید ہاشمی نے اپنی سابقہ پارٹی کے خلاف کوئی شکوہ شکایت نہیں کیا لیکن مسلم لیگ (ن) والے صدمے کا شکار ہیں ۔صدمے کے باعث انہوں نے ہاشمی صاحب کے خلاف ایس ایم ایس پیغامات کا طوفان کھڑا کر دیا ہے ۔ ان سے گزارش ہے کہ صبر کریں، جاوید ہاشمی نے اپنے دکھڑے بیان کرنے شروع کئے تو پھر مسلم لیگ (ن)والوں کیلئے بڑی مشکل ہو جائے گی ۔ مسلم لیگ (ن)جاوید ہاشمی کے بارے میں خاموش رہے تو بہتر ہے ۔ انتظار کرے اور دیکھے کہ تحریک انصاف جاوید ہاشمی جیسے باغی کو کب تک اور کیسے سنبھالتی ہے ؟
    عمران خان کی اصل کامیابی یہ نہیں کہ جاوید ہاشمی تحریک انصاف میں شامل ہو گئے ۔ان کے لئے اگلا چیلنج یہ ہے کہ جاوید ہاشمی کو سنبھال کر کیسے رکھنا ہے ؟ 2011ء گزر گیا اور 2012ء شروع ہونے والا ہے 2012ء میں انتخابات بھی ہو سکتے ہیں 2012ء میں ایبٹ آباد کمیشن کی انکوائری رپورٹ سامنے آئے گی ، میمو گیٹ سکینڈل کی اصل کہانی سے بھی پردہ اٹھے گا اور شائد محترمہ بینظیر بھٹو کے اصل قاتل بھی بے نقاب ہو جائیں۔ 2012ء میں بہت سے طوفان آنے والے ہیں اور ان طوفانوں کا کوئی ایک جماعت یا ادارہ اکیلے مقابلہ نہیں کر سکے گا ۔ 2012ء میں افغانستان میں امریکہ پر دباؤ بڑھے گا اور امریکہ اس دباؤ سے نکلنے کیلئے پاکستان کے خلاف جارحانہ رویہ اختیار کر سکتا ہے ۔ یاد رکھئے گا ! پاکستان کے دشمن ہمارے اندرونی اختلافات کا فائدہ ضرور اٹھائیں گے اور 2012ء میں ہمیں سبق سکھانے کی کوشش کریں گے ۔ اگر ہم نے ایک دوسرے کو عزت نہ دی اور اداروں نے ایک دوسرے کا احترام نہ کیا تو پھر ایسی ٹوٹ پھوٹ شروع ہو گی جس میں صرف سیاسی رشتے نہیں بلکہ آئینی رشتے بھی ٹوٹیں گے ، خانہ جنگی کا خطرہ پیدا ہو گا اور آپ افغانستان میں خانہ جنگی کا فائدہ اٹھانے کی کوشش میں خود خانہ جنگی میں پھنس جائیں گے ۔

  49. اب اگر میرے کمنٹ یڈمن نے ڈیلیٹ کئے تو میں بھی پی کے پی کو چھوڑ کر تحریک انصاف سے انصاف لینے چلا جاوں گا
    بے شک پی کے پی کے مداح سرا مجھے روکتے رہیں

  50. ایک محاورے کا دوسرا مصرع ذہن میں آ رہا تھا لیکن پہلے والا بھول گیا ۔ اب یاد آیا ہے

    “کھاں پین نوں بھاگ بھری تے دھون بھاناون نوں جماں“

    یہی کام میاں صاحب نے چوہدریوں کے ساتھ کیا اور یہی کام ہاشمی کے ساتھ کیا ۔

    مشکل وقت میں اپوزیشن لیڈر پرویز الہی رہا اور جب وزیر اعلی بنانے کی باری آئی تو شہباز شریف کو بنا دیا حتی کہ جب گورنر بنانے کی باری آئی تو ذولفقار کھوسہ کو بنا دیا اسی طرح
    مار کھانے کو ہاشمی صاحب اور عیش کے لئے چوہدری نثار

    میں نے پہلے بھی کہا تھا کہ

    میاں صاحب دے مشیراں نوں بندہ پا لمیاں لے تے لہا جوتی لئے
    آگے آپ کو پتہ ہے کیا کرنا ہے

  51. @

    I just can’t understand you. Why if some one takes a principled stand why is he called ZIDDI? He decided that those who betrayed his party and were the leaders of big stature, would not be accepted back in the PMLN fold. So whats wrong with it? Actually what estab wanted was the same. They wanted them back in PMLN fold so that they are not punished. Taking them would have meant that BOP and NICL scandal may also be sidelined and ignored. As a leader he decided not take them back. This is called principlesd politics. Come what may but you stick to your decisions. If he had done so then he would have encouraged the thinking of abudoning the party and joining forces with the dictators with the idea that they would return back whenever they wanted without any loss.

    Where do the choudhries of gujrat lie now? They are licking the feets of Zardari just to save Moonis Illahi and later Pervez Ilahi who are involved in BOP and NICL corruption scandals.

    We love NS for just taking a firm stand against traitors and the dictator.

    Otherwise the best thing would have been to amke a deal with dictator and then be in power again. That would have been a greater wisdom. Why suffer? Make yourself flexible and mould yourself to embrace any one and hug anybody may it be the worst military dictator.


  52. Also do not forget that Sheikh Rasheed was also a big leader. What happened with him when he betrayed his party?

    He is still wandering around cluless and his voters have abondoned him. Actually it is NS vote bank that helps people to win seats. very few people win on their own.

    Hope the point is clear?

  53. @deevav
    Did you want to address someone else? Because the point you elaborate on, i.e., choudhries, were not raised in my comments. Your comments are perhaps misdirected to me.

  54. SCheema said:

    میں نے پہلے بھی کہا تھا کہ

    میاں صاحب دے مشیراں نوں بندہ پا لمیاں لے تے لہا جوتی لئے

    چیمہ جی – تسی تحریک انصاف وچ ای ٹر جاو

    اسیں مشیراں نوں لمیاں پا کے ویبسائیٹ نئیں بند کرانی

    😀 😀

  55. http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=29297

    Ch. Nisar, what a character you are!

    1. “Opposition leader Chaduhry Nisar on Saturday said his party Pakistan Muslim League-N was not afraid of anyone’s departure …, he said people’s entry and exit would not make any difference and that those moving out would themselves have to pay the price.”
    — Hazoor, a party is nothing without people, especially the key figures. Wake up!!

    2. “He claimed that an agency was behind pushing the people towards Tehreek-e-Insaf.”
    OK, for how long will you just keep using the vague statements as claims. If you guys are not afraid of the agencies, or are not party with them, name the agency or the person involved. At least make an Asghar Khan type application in the court or tell the public. This can be a real sixer against imran at the right time.

    3. “He said he had known Imran Khan from the school days and ‘I know things about him that I don’t deem fit to disclose’.”
    What a hollow, cheap, a ditched film-actress style remark! What is the point if you do not find something worth telling? And if it comes to schooldays, I am sure even Mian brothers will have several interesting stories.

  56. Congratulations to PTIans for a very impressive rally in Karachi.They have used social networking to mobilize people to their advange.
    Javed Hashmi has provided a major boost to them, will be interesting to see if he can steer Imran Khan more to the center and change the image of ” Taliban Khan”.He still needs to woo some people from the left like Aitzaz Ahsan.
    It was good to see him talk about the issues and present some ideas for the first time.
    His claim to eradicate corruption from Pakistan in 90 days seems a bit unrealistic

  57. @ConcernedAmericanPak said:
    My congratulations to PTI for uniting the people of Karachi, thus Pakistan.

    پہلے لاہور اور پھر کراچی میں ایک اچھا شو
    خان صاحب کا ایک مثبت پہلو کہ وہ کسی ایک جگہ مرتکز نہیں ہیں
    آپ نے صحیح کہا، خان صاحب اور تحریک انصاف یقیناً مبارکباد کے مستحق ہیں

  58. Javed Hashmi made a blunder to join PTI under the leadership of a person known for his “SHARABI KABABI” image. Who is Imran to say that I will make Pakistan an “ISLAMI FALAHI COUNTRY”, in my opinion he became a MUSLIM just for politics as we all know how much he was a MUSLIM till now. So please do understand and forget about this trap of the WEST, the driver of which is IK.Think carefully and then act upon…………….Thanks

  59. @fmk

    My comments are in response to your comments where you have commented that NS is stubborn and proud and he should have taken PML Q dissidents back in his folds.

    Choudhries example is just to make myself clear.

  60. @salimkhn

    Yet another desperate move by a PML N supporter.May God give you wisdom to use better words for your fellow contryman and an honest leader.

  61. @admin

    Just want to let you know that there was a big jalsa organized by PTI in Karachi on Dec 25th and just wondering if you can put some info on this subject here.

  62. It would be simplistic to analyse political parties and their leaders’ mindset in isolation. You can’t discount the “big brother” factor, that, from Fatima Jinnah’s time, haunts political parties.

    Parties are constantly fighting for their independent survival while there is continuous interference from army/ISI who is watching over shoulder and mingling in their matters. If you don’t believe me, start your own party and then you’ll realize what I mean.

    At this time of worst external interference, it is nothing short of miracle that parties still survive.

    Let me turn the table and ask you… as citizens what have you done to support these parties. Can you protect them from external interference. Can you create necessary public pressure to keep them alive and on-course. Can you stand up to scare the “big brother” off their backs.

    These political parties are our asset, we should protect this institution if we expect true democracy in this country.

  63. @block

    Dear brother I am pure pathan not like Imran who is khan just by name and I love my RELIGION and country so just tell me Or guide me if I am wrong that how a person can make Pakistan an Islamic state by introducing music and bangras culture in his jalsas.
    Its all for grabbing the chair of PM but I think Pakistanis are not so stupid to be trapped so easily. He needs to be a MUSLIM (real sense) and then talk about ISLAM and Pakistan.

  64. @aik pakistani >> i am gonna leave this site.

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, please don’t leave us. What will become of us without you?

  65. Javed Hashmi, symbol of democratic struggle….. my foot!

    Lets get real people. Hashmi is smart a** who made a right move at a PERFECT time. He had realized that NS has no chance coming into power in the center ever again because of his stern stance on Kargil in the past and against army establishment now. (NS is no hero either… he’s just caught in his own game of gaining the high moral ground.)

    Hashmi chose the perfect time to flee. He made big news, and got the biggest piece of the pie. Anyone joining late such as (Atizaz Ahsan and the likes) will have to settle on less. And the move will not be as dramatic as Hashmi’s.

    Hashmi is the winner, bravo!!!

    (N.B. A small time politician would have gained the title of ‘Lota’.)

  66. Javed Hashmi is the single biggest acquisition PTI, or for that matter, any political party can have in Pakistan. He boldly stood against Musharaaf unlike other PMLN leaders who either opted exile or house arrests or few months of jail. Javed Hashmi did not tone down his criticism of military establishment and was happy spending years in Jail under President Mushraaf.

    His anti-establishment credentials are second to none and gives PTI bragging rights to wash off Q-League label. I still think it was more bugz e Maviah than hub e Ali. PTI is Q-league beyond doubt but Javed Hashmi didn’t have much choices. You cannot survive in Pakistan’s politics for long by opposing establishment. The harsh truth and IK, Sheikh Rashid, Shahbaz Sharif, Ch. Nisar and Asif Zardari have accepted.

  67. salam

    well imran khan talks a lot about tsunami and that’s y he has gathered a tsunami of lotas around him. his old companions have been overshadowed by the high profile newcomers. this really isn’t a change and may be a deception.

    imran khan’s old companions who were like founding fathers of his party, now they r seen sitting on back benches in any press conferences or they probably have adopted another path.

    also khan talks alot about accountability. how can he hold any culprit accountable when already culprits r there in his team with the likes of warriach etc.

    I m really sorry to say that khan just turned out to be hokum.

    May ALLAH bless Pakistan and Pakistanis.

  68. Bawa said:
    SCheema said:

    میں نے پہلے بھی کہا تھا کہ

    میاں صاحب دے مشیراں نوں بندہ پا لمیاں لے تے لہا جوتی لئے

    چیمہ جی – تسی تحریک انصاف وچ ای ٹر جاو

    اسیں مشیراں نوں لمیاں پا کے ویبسائیٹ نئیں بند کرانی


    باوا جی آپ ویبسائیٹ والوں کی جتنی مرضی ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ کر لیں آپ کو پرویز رشید والی نوکری نہیں ملنے والی ۔

    پرویز رشید کہیں نہیں جا رہا ۔ نہ وہ جائے گا نہ آپ کو یہ سیٹ ملے گی ۔


  69. @deevav
    Not an issue, aapko ghalat fehmi hui hai, you seem to be confusing me with someone else. I have only one comment prior to your reply to me and I did not mention that NS is stubborn and that he should accept Q league or not. Any way, take care.

  70. Javid Hashmi and Shah Mahmood Qurashi in the same party? Unbelievable. I think Hashmi has lost his mind after stroke. When he will completely recover, hopefully he will change his mind. Qusari, Tareen,Lagharis and Q leaguers in PTI? IK is trying to use these notorious names to win some seats. But he has forgotten one thing that eventually they will take over his party and PTI will be no different than PPP, PLM “Q” or PML “N”and it will not take long.

    An other point to ponder is Altaf ‘Bhahi’s congratulations. What it indicates. Can any one please comment?

  71. So now what will happen to old diehards of the party now who withstood test of time. All these lotas and khotas are now taking benches besides IK and tested faces are send either to back benches or among the crowd. These pity people have once again been used as used tissue paper and thrown to garbage after wiping IK’s a$$. The guy who is now the spokesman was in bed with every dictator and corrupt leader until they thrown him out and the old guard cheema is nowhere to be seen on the stage. Shah mahmood only left PPP because AZ didn’t give him FM again after raymond davis affair. He was their to take oath again and refused only when he found out he is made pani aur bijli wazir. legharis, khakwanis, tareens, jatois etc all joined IK for the same reason their ancestors did when they joined PML in 1946 i.e to save their little fiefdoms. JH will soon realize his biggest folly in life when being a straight forward person he will criticize these lotas and will be sidelined again. At least in PMLN he could speak his heart out without much repercussions but in PTI all those fan club will make his maan bahan aik without thinking twice.

  72. All the fuss about bad people joining good leader

    Perhaps people do not understand “LEADER”

    If I were IK I will accept them and give them all important tasks just to oversee and give them some sense of importance because in return I would be digging into traditional political roots of Pakistan.

    If I will not do that all….IK basher and lekin host would be making fun of me….this is one man party who does not have enough people to run the constituencies.

    I am afraid either way they will not be satisfied.

  73. salimkhn

    Who gave you this idea that other ethinic people are lesser muslims than Pathan.2ndly who gave you permission to pass judgement on other people if they are muslims or not.I am just hoping that you are not a supporter of those who are hurting fellow countrymen and other innocent people of this world in the name of religion.

  74. Javed Hashmi is LOTA, Lota is Lota, no matter it is made of Steel or Plastic, it is made of inferior or superior stuff. Lota is kept in Toilet, not in Bathroom or sitting room.
    Javed hasmi talk about poor people, in his daughter marriage,,how many poor people were invited. i saw only rich and politician in reception. Talk is Cheap.

  75. Javed Hashmi is LOTA, Lota is Lota, no matter it is made of Steel or Plastic, it is made of inferior or superior stuff. Lota is kept in Toilet, not in Bathroom or sitting room.
    Javed hasmi talk about poor people, in his daughter marriage,,how many poor people were invited. i saw only rich and politician in reception. Talk is Cheap.

  76. IF he left his party on any policy stand than he is right if personal than unfair.

    so far no statement from so called great hashmi which policy of pml n was wrong.

    his statement of being not listened is lazy excuse.
    few days bavk nawaz was the leader who can change destiny now not— crap

  77. in 2002 elections his dauhter was made antional assembley by smae party and then 2008

    Dynastic politics—— so called great democrat. apne liye sab halal

    mamona hasmni was made party presidnet in multan no problem for great hashmi sahib

  78. MUJHE leader of the opposition naheb banya

    mughe sadarti ummedwar naheen banya

    mere damad ko ticket naheen diya

    han men baghi hoon

  79. i have commented on this forum after almost a year.

    people projecting hashmi saint politician make make me sick. he ia good politician.

    rana san ullah faced worst treatment among all the people in pmln from musharaf regime and rana was never membe r of any martial law cabinet.. should we call him saint

  80. pakino1

    Get a life my friend and come with some solid arguements and avoid this language.I guess you are too much obsessed with lota usage.

  81. I was just talking to someone few hours back. I was told that some big names from PPP are going to be joining PTI. Any comment on this if you heard something like this.

  82. Javed Hashmi’s departure is a great political loss for PML-N as he was especially popular among workers, maybe even more popular than Nawaz Sharif. But in terms of electoral prospects, it would not make any significant dent as his personal votes are only concentrated in one constituency.

  83. fmk said:
    Waah mian sab waah, abhe kal tak aap Go Zardari Go keh rahay thay.

    Old rivals to team up against ‘common foe’


    Dear FMK AoA

    I would invite you to read my analysis on this matter back in May2011. Things have changed a little but the basic and main interest are still the same.



  84. at A_d_m_i_n

    جناب سرکار والا تبار

    مجھ سے کیا غلطی سر زد ہوئی ہے کہہ مجھے بھی کڑے شکنجے میں ڈال دیا گیا ہے

    غیروں پہ کرم اپنوں پہ ستم
    اے جان وفا یہ ظلم نا کر

    ف ج

  85. New trend by Imran learnt from the WEST………….ISALM by dancing, music and bangras (totally HARAM IN ISLAM) ……… what a shame ….. Agent of JEWS…………. By the way he could not hold of his one wife who run away back to a white man in the UK so how can he control such a big country PAKISTAN..No WAY.. Forget about this jew’s agent

  86. ماڸ غنیمت، ماڸ غنیمت، ماڸ غنیمت !! قصور میں کرسیاں لوٹے جانے پر تحریک انصاف کا مذاق اڑانے والے اب کیا کہتے ہیں. لگتا ہے ن لیگیوں نے اس کیک کو پاکستان سمجھ کر لوٹنا شروع کر دیا



  87. @salimkhn

    Diversity is beauty of Islam.
    Hundreds of thousands Muslims who attended IK Jalsa, think patriotic music is not haram.

    You on this forum think music is haram in any form.

    Islam spread north and south, east and west and keep absorbing culture of its new inhabitants without changing its principal values.

    Slaughtering human being in the name of Islam is deviation from principal values not the music.

  88. @Adonis
    You may be right in a sense that he will only compete in one (or a few constituencies) however i disagree with you on conclusion. JH is popular in all constituencies (with different level of popularity, off course). With his move from PML N to PTI, he has also moved a large number of his fans across the country to PTI.

    The biggest thing which he has given to PTI is that a common man has started thinking, “If Javed Hashmi has joined IK then IK can not be an agency puppet”.

  89. @iqbaladnan
    “..JH is popular in all constituencies (with different level of popularity, off course). With his move from PML N to PTI, he has also moved a large number of his fans across the country to PTI….”

    Have you ever give a thought why JH was so popular. At least for me it was his stand against dictatorship and his struggle (present one) against martial law. But remember he was not the only one, some one mentioned Rana sanaullah who was tortured to hell by isi, and left on a roadside with his mustache and eye brows shaven. also saad rafique and a bunch of others went through similar treatment. JH was well respected due to his stance. He was not even able to win his own seat in Multan and was given multiple seats all over punjab just to get him in the parliament. He left because his son-in-law was not given ticket, so much so for dynastic politics. He was a good guy but I don’t consider him a saint, he is just a politician looking for better opportunities for himself and his family, that’s the bottom-line. Any other reasons are just excuses.

  90. [img]http://s12.postimage.org/crx095a59/captain_Harami.gif[/img]

    اس بیان کے بعد کیپٹن صفدر کے مشکوک النسل ھونے کے بارے میں مجھے ذرا برابر شک نہیں ھے اگر تو نواز شریف نے ایسی گندگی اپنے گھر میں پالی ھوئی ھے تو پھر ذلت اور رسوائی کے سوا اور کچھ نہیں

  91. اس بیان کے بعد کیپٹن صفدر کے مشکوک النسل ھونے کے بارے میں مجھے ذرا برابر شک نہیں ھے اگر تو نواز شریف نے ایسی گندگی اپنے گھر میں پالی ھوئی ھے تو پھر ذلت اور رسوائی کے سوا اور کچھ نہیں

    گھر میں کتا بھی دیکھ بھال کے رکھنا چاھیے اور نواز شریف نے ایسا گھر داماد پال رکھا ھے لعنت ھو نواز شریف پر

  92. salimkhn

    You have crossed all the limits of decency.I will continue to pray for you with the hope that one day you will find out true meaning of Islam.

  93. I regret that day, when these half breed “super white elite” children will be running around in Pakistani prime minister house. What a joke and tragedy that the people follow this man like little “inferior’ and subordinate servants and admirers.

    Imran’s new collection of political prostitutes, mentally ill and morally bankrupt people shows the desperation of the man to come in to Power.

    Imran is “toooooo” compromised and attached with the “foreign white race”, that he has no legacy with Pakistan, genetic dispositions are all whitewashed by the man.

  94. @CAP I can understand your skepticism but God forbid if I was in a similar situation that would be a decent thing to do.

    As far as White chicks r concerned some of us have a thing for them! Lol!

  95. salimkhn said:
    By the way he could not hold of his one wife who run away back to a white man in the UK so how can he control such a big country PAKISTAN..No WAY.. Forget about this jew’s agent

    تو نتیجہ یہ نکلا کہ صرف وہ بندہ اس ملک کو بہتر طریقے سے چلا سکتا ہے جو اپنی بیوی کو کنٹرول کر سکے بلکہ وہ بندہ ملک کو زیادہ بہتر طریقے سے چلا رہا ہے جس نے اپنی بیوی ہی مروا دی


  96. Its unfortunate that some people in the zeal of proving their point of view have started dragging small kids in this dirty game of politics.May God have mercy on us.

  97. block said:
    It occured to me that your user name and your thoughts are very contradicting .Have A nice day.

    My dear, I respect your confusion and your implying that I am not concerned about the “Pakistani” elites and their super elitist children of corruption, sin and lifestyle of rock and roll stars.

    Pay attention to what my stand is for the poor majority of the people of Pakistan. I do not want these Pakistani elitist who have their children born , raised and brought up in London schools, colleges, pubs, dance halls and are enjoying the high life on the expense of the poor Pakistani people or due to the Pakistani sperm donations, incase of Imran Khan.

    Pakistani prime ministers house has become royal and the people who have been in power for last few times have foreign connections, such as The Sharif Mafia, Bhutto ethnic family political Mafia, “Shortcut Aziaz” and now “Imran Khan”?

  98. @taukeer

    ‘As far as White chicks r concerned some of us have a thing for them! Lol!”

    Nothing wrong with the white or black “chicks”, my concern is the judgment Imran made and his relationship after the so called divorce…His open mindedness is not in question, his desire to be the “leader, ruler or the prime minister” of “ Islamic republic” is the oxymoronic tragedy.

  99. I refuse to swallow the big “fly” Shah Mehmood Qureshi as Co-Chairman, one of the most phony and despicable English regurgitating elite who was a part of a grave worshiping ethnic political destiny, PPPP and he himself is a grave worshiper and his son worked as a “pissboy” for “senator “J Kerry”.

  100. javed hashmi’s daughter joins the political footsteps of her father brings the question of a family political professional business enterprise model.

  101. I felt bad when PTI used a cripple ,Javed Hashmi, for the political expediency, his motor functions are not at par with the fast paced political crime drama played in Pakistan.

  102. ConcernedAmericanPak said:Pay attention to what my stand is for the poor majority of the people of Pakistan. I do not want these Pakistani elitist who have their children born , raised and brought up in London schools, colleges, pubs, dance halls and are enjoying the high life on the expense of the poor Pakistani people or due to the Pakistani sperm donations, incase of Imran Khan.
    IK is self made person he didn’t looted money of this country like Zardari and sharif . your point is invalid founder of this nation was rich self made person he married non Muslim woman this means Jinnah had no right to struggle for Pakistan .

  103. ConcernedAmericanPak said:
    javed hashmi’s daughter joins the political footsteps of her father brings the question of a family political professional business enterprise model.
    کونسرنڈ امریکن پاکستانی صاحب
    مجھے یہ بات زیادہ سمجھ نہیں آتی
    کہ صرف سیاست میں ہی موروثیت قابل اعتراض کیوں
    جبکہ ہم دیکھتے ہیں دیگر پیشوں میں بھی اولاد زیادہ تر والدین کے نقش قدم پر چل رہی ہوتی ہے
    میرے خیال میں شکایت تب ہونی چاہیے اگر بغیر کسی قابلیت کے صرف رشتہ ہونے کی وجہ سے کسی کو ناجائز فائدہ دیا جایے

  104. gre8nation said:
    ConcernedAmericanPak said:Pay attention to what my stand is for the poor majority of the people of Pakistan. I do not want these Pakistani elitist who have their children born , raised and brought up in London schools, colleges, pubs, dance halls and are enjoying the high life on the expense of the poor Pakistani people or due to the Pakistani sperm donations, incase of Imran Khan.
    IK is self made person he didn’t looted money of this country like Zardari and sharif . your point is invalid founder of this nation was rich self made person he married non Muslim woman this means Jinnah had no right to struggle for Pakistan .

    My dear, being rich is not my concern, if they made the money with (relatively speaking) legal means.

    Either you are blinded by this man, or like the majority people following him as the only alternative are so desperate for an alternative to the current political crime families run ethnic and family mafia’s that you are overlooking Imran’s current situation and his attachment to his ex wife and the family (one of the most powerful decedents of the Jewish banking and financial empire, the Gold Schmidt’s) and his “children”.

    A man who could not keep commitments with his wife, girlfriends, sex partners, lovers, groupies and ….and the known children can not be trusted as a man of moral and character and family values.

    You all don’t see what I fear, a Prime Minster house with three European and American children, two of them, super British elite’s from high society and hedonic life style, unlike Jinnah’s wife and children.

    Imran will bring more British and European baggage to the Pakistani top leadership than Lord Mountbatten.

  105. EasyGo said:
    ConcernedAmericanPak said:
    javed hashmi’s daughter joins the political footsteps of her father brings the question of a family political professional business enterprise model.
    کونسرنڈ امریکن پاکستانی صاحب
    مجھے یہ بات زیادہ سمجھ نہیں آتی
    کہ صرف سیاست میں ہی موروثیت قابل اعتراض کیوں
    جبکہ ہم دیکھتے ہیں دیگر پیشوں میں بھی اولاد زیادہ تر والدین کے نقش قدم پر چل رہی ہوتی ہے
    میرے خیال میں شکایت تب ہونی چاہیے اگر بغیر کسی قابلیت کے صرف رشتہ ہونے کی وجہ سے کسی کو ناجائز فائدہ دیا جایے

    My dear, as usual you are correct and on the right track, the problem is not that the people should not follow their parents as role models and join in the trade they are in, the problem is the Pakistani rigged political system, which gives you undue advantage for being related. I think they call it nepotism and family dynastical political professional party leadership right by birth.. Its just a conflict of interest and the fact that this man was part of a corrupt gang and the reason he left them was due to be “ignored”?.

  106. @CAP

    Daughter following the footsteps of father….whats wrong with it.

    And you called JH crippled….what do you mean by “CRIPPLE”

    Try to present your arguments as your opinion…not as final verdict….only then you can say you are different from other Pakistaniz.

    You know very little…..you think to much and you are concerned alot.

  107. All day today, I had to endure the pain of watching, Pakistanis number one corrupt woman, BB on Pakistani American funded media brain washing machines, as the glory of BB as the mother of democracy, not the mother of NRO, Swiss bank accounts, fraud, deal making, possible involvement in sibling killings, fugitive from justice, betraying the country by making personal deals with the Neo-Satanic “American” uncles.

  108. @jazoo


    Cripple is an offensive term for someone whose use of a limb or limbs is impaired and I used it as a sarcastic term, because the PTI is using this man to counter Nawaz Shrif family political mafia. If you think it is Ok to do so, so be it, and you are right, I am entitled to my opinion. Don’t make this man some sort of saint because he stood for his “master” Nawaz the corrupt Sharif and went to jail. He is a political figure and his timing of leaving the Mafia don is questionable to me and his use as a prop by the PTI and the inner political maneuverings by the other partner of Imran Khan the Qurashi are and were shameful, just to decide who will go first and sit on the right or left side of Imran Khan. .

    “Daughter following the footsteps of father“….what’s wrong with it. Noting…what footsteps, he joins the Nawaz Mafia and she follows along, he leaves the Mafia she joins him…I really don’t care, because you are missing the point.

    “You know very little…..you think to much and you are concerned alot.”

    I agree with you, I know nothing what you know, could you kindly share with me and my concerns are my right.

  109. Seems like the party lovers, Romeos and the diehard fans response to my political opinions has been and is to get personal with me. Do you think that it will make me like your “leadership”? Or by insulting me, my opinion will loose its “truth” and value?

  110. I felt bad when PTI used a cripple ,Javed Hashmi,

    @Jazoo, read the rest and than comment again. What did I say, which was wrong?

    I felt bad when PTI used a cripple ,Javed Hashmi, …..

    “for the political expediency, his motor functions are not at par with the fast paced political crime drama played in Pakistan.”

  111. @CAP

    JH is crippled and all the other lot flocking in with IK is bad.
    JH is few of the best available in existing political lot.
    You suggest few names you think IK should accept them.

    Your extreme pessimistic approach is very close to sickness.

    Actually people need some hope and IK present the best.
    Momin never lose hope.

  112. jazoo

    My dear, you are a very intelligent person and I am bit disappointed in your attempts to misrepresent my facts and observations as pessimistic.

    JH is crippled and all the other lot flocking in with IK is bad.

    JH is psychically not fit to be dragged into such events. They could have shown him on the TV monitor. In the interview, JH mentioned that people stepped on his feet and he was loosing breath and was not feeling so good. He is incoherent and has speech impairment issues. I never said that all the people flocking IK are bad, the new arrivals are in Question.

    “JH is few of the best available in existing political lot.”

    Agree, JH has shown character, but the fact remains that he was part and parcel of a one man’s pocket political “gang”, mafia or political servant collection.

    “Your extreme pessimistic approach is very close to sickness.”

    Again, since you have no logical argument, you are throwing your senseless and moronic judgmental BS.

    “Actually people need some hope and IK present the best.”

    I agree 100% with you, but my stating the facts and my criticisms are not the reason for people to be hopeless, they can still have hope in the system and work to improve the current corrupt to the core system. My dear people come and go, the systems stay.

    “Momin never lose hope.”

    True but an oxymoronic thought, granted the Momin will not have hope or will put all his hope in “Imran Khan”, the least Momin person in my opinion.

  113. I must mention Asif Ali Madari’s speech and the “hidden” messages in the speech. The key to the written Psycho babble by “Hussein Haqqani” and his elk is a bundle of shameless and moronic verbal regurgitations by a criminally and morally insane psychopath.

    The master of translation of Hussein Haqqani and the Neo-Satanic hidden messages is the foreign agent and the neo-satanic propaganda artiest with “little birdie” issue…Najam Sethi.

    You can watch Aapas ki Baat 12/27 to know the agenda of Neo-Satan’s in Pakistan and the game they are plying with the Pakistani people.

  114. The new revolution, morality based” and so called justice for all?

    It is a sad day in the Pakistani political circus that the Pakistani English regurgitating elites have chosen a very controversial and a man of moral manipulations presented as the hope for the Pakistani people, the majority this man can not even associate with and will not even consider to have a “Out of wedlock” child with, the Pakistani and other inferior Muslim and non white women.

  115. Some people need to get some life here and do something else for a change like wash their clothes or may be shine their shoes and not give opinion on everything.

  116. block said:
    Some people need to get some life here and do something else for a change like wash their clothes or may be shine their shoes and not give opinion on everything.

    I agree, @block you should do that…in my opinion…

  117. @ConcernedAmericanPak:

    Your concern shows you still living in past or this proverb perfectly fit for you “Once bitten, twice shy” If IK become same as other family parties no one will accept him he would be first
    who will see Guillotine.

  118. @FJ
    Thanks, this was a well-written piece and raised some right questions.

    Let me take the liberty to ask you (I know you don’t have to feel forced to answer; just for a thought exercise!) the following. Imagine the election is here and you have basically three options.
    1. vote for IK
    2. vote for PPP/PML-all-flavors/MQM_etc/JI_etc.
    3. do not vote

    Remember, choosing three means “I am indifferent, keep doing whatever you are doing to Pakistan”. Now that I hope is not in the cards — what else then we are all doing at a forum called pkpolitics!

  119. @fmk
    imagine elections are here and you have following three choices, which one you choose

    1. vote for IK which includes all lotas and khotas of moshe and kutta league plus few disgruntled and sidelined senior people of PMLN and PPP, MQM, establishement, ANP, JI, JUI all and therefore essentially indirectly for PPP
    2. vote for PMLN due to its anti-establishment stance and only real alternative to establishment cronies
    3. do not vote, meaning vote for PPP

  120. @pathfinder010

    My dear you must be kidding or trying to be a “smarty pants”, Imran’s elitist boys from the “Gold Schmidt” Jewish financial and banking empire will never be able to live in Pakistan, let alone joining the politics of a third world “Islamic republic”.

    You are fooling the people and yourself if you think that I am concerned about the political involvement of Imran Khan’s “Hybrid” half Khan and Half Gold Schmidt Jewish linage super elite children of a society girl and a hedonically sexually active and perverted personality.

    My concern is that Imran has no legacy in Pakistan, no children. He has close attachment to a very rich and powerful banking and financial empire, his in-laws and ex wife, who are the British subjects and have the best interest of the Queen mother and the western policy makers. I do not want any Pakistani who is compromised due to his family, financial, logistic, emotional and other attachments to the British colonizers.

    I am sick of the Britsh influence on the Pakistani people. Altaf Hussein, Nawaz Shrif, Imran Khan, they all have their British backing and connections.

    Do you understand my concern?

    Imran must love Pakistan and all that, but end of the day, he is not the kind of person I feel should be the Prime Minster of “Islamic Republic “ of Pakistan.

    This whole choreographed by the Bollywood and Hollywood democracy of songs and dances is a great spectacle, but a falls hope for the real change.

    That is my opinion.

  121. @fmk

    1. vote for PTI not only IK…..Under the supreme court of Pakistan.

    Given the three choices, if one must vote.

    IK should be the chairman and stay out of putting Pakistanis to deal with his baggage’s of ex wife and the extended family crap.

  122. Asma Jahangir is wasting courts time with her antagonizing nonsense.

    Fundamental rights are linked with security at least in Memo case.
    She is right that security is Executive responsibility but she is wrong that SC can not intervene when excutive potentially is a party in alleged danger to security.

    Secretary of any ministry can approach SC to report a crime of his boss specially when crime is security risk and may endanger fundamental rights of citizens…such complains are admissible in SC.

    Army as an independent organ but subservient to executive has confirmed a complain filed by NS allegedly against its boss…now the same boss can not appoint a committtee to resolve an issue in which boss himself is a party.

  123. CAP Bhai

    I never said put your all the hopes or any hope in IK
    Bring in a parallel hope instead of beating your lose lose drum.

    In my opinion right now IK is the best hope with his upright character and honesty.

    People with public profile are judged by their character and good human values like honesty, integrity, self respect, dedications, commitments, bravery, faithfullness etc.

    The use of sarcastice words like “Oxymoronic” etc. are not making your posts spicy…perhaps such words have lost their gallantry due to excessive usage.

    If this is your class to fume in this manner then look for more words in dictionary

  124. Have some of you been hiding under rock for the last few years?

    PML-N has already taken in a number of Lota’s from Q-League and has had they active support since 2008 in the form of Lota-Block oops sorry Forward-Block.

    Kh Asif just recently said said that ‘all’ Lota are welcome, whilst talking to Nadeem Malik on his show Islamabad Tonight.

  125. @CAP
    You agree that IK got to hear the following criticism until recently:
    1. “Taanga party”, that you are small.
    2. There is nobody after you. No other political leadership.
    3. Cyber fan club; facebook support
    4. Does not understand Pakistani politics

    He has overcome these ailments, if you like, though new criticism has emerged. The point to consider, however, is: do we expect that IK, or any other hypothetical leader that we idealize, should just emerge one day in our political scene and the next thing we see him is the PM or President, rescuing the country — no worries about the time in between, no need for a team and where do you import those people? Any leader needs people; and our country somehow has only this kind to offer at this time. Try to see the grass-root level political system, from any office to nazim, and from local party workers to the very top. Unfortunately, majority of our principled, educated and capable class does not come to politics yet. So, as a leader you either face that you will end up in your lifetime doing nothing, because you will not find the type of team you want. Another option is to first become a threat to those who usually win, so that people see a real chance in investing in you. That you get the educated class to be interested again. The question is *how do you get there?* Let us forget what IK has opted, what is your recipe for this?

    Many good-hearted, smart people do not get their hands dirty with politics due to the same problem, and it indeed is a genuine one.

    That simple question was for @CAP, as there was a sign of impartial concern — no pun intended!
    Aap tou “bechari awam” ki khaal main “sher” hain… aap of course PML-N k ilawa baqi har aik ko koi janwar he samjhtay hain.

    As regards the issue of association with Moshe, let us remember most of his prime supporters came from the-then PML, the “sher” I mean. It was after this move that the letter N became so sacred, and everything else was zoo animals. N does have some good people, and so do PPP, MQM, and others.

    If anti-establishment is the virtue of the time, PPP can also lay a claim to it — and perhaps more legitimately than PML-N, as they even have at least one martyr of establishment! Anti-establishment after being bitten by it? PPP was bitten earlier than N. What other metric do we apply so that N is superior to PPP in this department? (I am thinking! May be, PML-N should go back in history and take its oaths back from the 90’s?!)

    Had PML-N been so scared of PPP’s rule, as you seem (by discovering that all options other than voting for N basically mean voting for PPP), they would have not made arrangements with them. Refer to a recent invite from Sharif to PPP to ‘join hands against a common foe (IK)’. So, ye kahani phir sahi!

  126. jazoo said:

    Asma Jahangir is wasting courts time with her antagonizing nonsense.

    jazoo, I agree with you and the fact that this Neo-Satanic plantied “NGO” queen is plying with fire. She, Altaf Hussein, Hussein Haqqani, Rahman Malik are the top agents of Pakistani civil society. They are imposed on Pakistan to explode it from within.

    An intresting read and the way this game has been portrayed in the media.

    The United States Special Forces operations and attacks on Abbottabad on May 02, 2011 can now be read as United States final disillusionment with the Pakistan Army and therefore a ‘Go it Alone Strategy’. The Pakistan Army had proved utterly unreliable in delivering on its pledges to the United States and could no longer be also relied upon to protect or prevent misuse of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons arsenal too.

    The United States had now strong imperatives to clip the wings of the Pakistan Army and pre-empt it from damaging US interests. What better options for the United States than to get the wings of Pakistan Army being clipped by a Civilian Government in Pakistan with United States tacit support against any retaliatory actions by the Pakistan Army against the civilian leadership?

    Media reports emanating from Pakistan suggest that the political leadership in Pakistan is blaming the Pakistan Army Chief and his Director General ISI for advocating and implementing strong confrontationist postures against the United States, moreso after the NATO attacks on Pak Army Sallalah posts on the Afghan border. The political leadership in Pakistan viewed the Pak Army Chief in unnecessarily adopting strong and defiant postures against the United States.


  127. @aftab
    true, but PMLN never claimed to be a revolutionary party and most of the Q-leaguers were part of PMLN anyway before moshe through his isi lieutenant ihtesham zamir bought their zamirs either through force or manipulation. PTI claims to be a party of clean people. What is the guarantee that same people who have been used by establishment before will not be manipulated this time again due to their dark pasts or will not demand their pound of flesh.

  128. salam

    there is every likelihood that senior members and workers of pti those who worked hard from the grass root level may quit pti sooner or later because of the negligence of imran khan. those senior members of pti were, r and may remain anonymous in the future because some high profile lotas and personalities have been injected to pti. today imran khan is looking forward to famous politicians to join him from other parties but soon he’ll get to know the significance of his old companions.

    May ALLAH bless Pakistan and Pakistanis.

  129. @bechari-awam

    Are you suggesting PTI and rest of the political parties should be gauged on different yard sticks?

    I think it’s unfair and unrealistic. If it’s acceptable for PPP and PMLN to have shady characters because it’s politics why not PTI? IK is also leading a political party with all same compulsions and handicaps that others have, not a cricket team or welfare trust.

    If it’s OK for Zardari and Sharifs to woo GHQ/Judiciary why just single out IK?

  130. Trying to post and it says the following

    “Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!”

    @dmin can you please sort this out. Thnx!

  131. s/b


    So answer to your simple question is that Pakistani political system is cancerous and is the reason we lost East Pakistan. We need to reject these lepers of democracy and may need time off from this rigged democratic failed system. The longer we play this planted and rigged democracy game the more chances we will have of destruction of the nation, as a viable and independent nation.

    Imran Khan is playing the alternative establishment horse and he is doing all the “political” moves to come in power. As they say, in love and war, every thing goes.

    Pakistani democracy is a war of ethnic, family and clan Mafias. Imran has done nothing new or “wrong”, he is just following the orders and have let his ego uncheck till he gets in power and have his “British white super elite children” (sons and the white American daughter)and ex wife to enjoy the British Raj one more time.

    We do not need this democracy model. A presidential system with complete democratic open election via preemptive accountability by the “Supreme Court” with the local governments would be a better alternative.

    My dear, my concern for the Pakistani people is 100%, your understanding of my concerns is partial.

  132. That is the Greek tragedy. Pakistani political system is so rigged and has been in the hands of “professional” politicians and their family and friends run Mafias.

  133. @upaki1 Senior members of PTI are in party just for sake of Pakistan not for their personal gains so this propaganda would not be a fruitful.

  134. PTI

    Churaey huay leaders
    churaey huay naray

    Lapeta hua maal
    Kandha pe estab ka haath

    Na apna koi chalan hy
    Na koi manzil ka nishan

    Sirf chand baten aur mashkook waday hen
    Lagaya hy quom ko msucial julson me

    Jo leader bhe aaey usko hy salam
    Jo na aey to wo hy ak naam badnaam

    Jan lo sajno ye umeed hy khoti
    Purany shikari hen laey hen naya jaal

  135. Its difficult for PMLN sympathisers to understand this phenomenon that made javed hashmi leave his party which he defended with his own blood… and join PTI… The reason it is so big a puzzle is because they only think about politics of personal benefit. But JH has always been giving his blood to his ideology and not to personal agendas. His latest move is completely in line with his ideological struggle and honest motivation.

    It may be a strange thing but it is what explains all questions as raised in this article. He can work with his old opponenents without trouble because they have accepted the ideology that ticks JH. It is a sign of much bigger character that one can shake hands with his opponents if they leave their misguided ways.

    Also people have not been rewarding javed hashmi because of Sharifs… it was the other way round. Myself included always felt sympathetically towards PMLN although I hated shareefs to the core and felt like throwing up when ever Nawaz Shareef spoke… but only because it had good people like Javed Hashmi, Ehsan Iqbal, Ayaz Amir and Khawaja Asif. I hope all these good people will be able to rise above their personal selfs and submit to the cause of building Pakistan. Allah has made PTI the means to make all of us free from the shackles of family poltical parties.

  136. Looking at the politics of our country, it is not hard to see that apart from few exceptions, leaders of most parties are morally acceptable until they get compromised.

    To elaborate my point, I would like to give the example of difference in Musharraf regime from 1999 till 2004 & from 2005~2008. In the former, he was not compromised & carried out his plans accordingly. People were mostly accepting his methods (although he was illegal) as their daily lives were not that difficult.

    However, afer the elctions & sugar coated matial law, things started to change as he started to compromise (having no other option) & play in the hands of others.

    This is not only true for Musharraf, but for all the previous martial laws & civilian govts since Ayub Khan.

    considering above point, we can see that “leaders” matter least, & its the folowers & their electables who pressurise them for compromises at every stage.

    I am among the few first followers of IK. I still like his struggle, but even before getting elected, he has started to compromise. He is wrong when he says that only leader matters & all will have to follow him to stay in party.

    Our history tells us that in politics, leaders matter least & they have to compromise at the cost of their popularity.

  137. the ad-min totally forgot to upload 29th dec to the point show since imran khan was there. When will these pmln ppl gonna understand these tactics are not going to work and only make you look sore losers.

  138. Asma Jilani Jahangir spoke after the verdict that memo “espionage” case is some sort of human rights violation of Hussein Haqqani?

    Asif Ali Madari and the Neo-Satanic poodle, Hussein Haqqani’s human right’s has been undermined and judiciary has chosen “national security” over the “fundamental rights”?

    Am I crazy or in Pakistan, this “confused” woman thinks that, corruption, money laundering, target killings, ethnic dynastical feudalist crime family mafia’s open incompetence and loot of the century, NRO’d elections, total failure of governess and all the crimes against the people of Pakistan, such as 35,000 dead in a fake war for the “Pentagon and Nato” are the human rights of his clients?

    Please help me understand her oxymoronic logic.

    ox·y·mo·ron [òksee máw ròn]
    (plural ox·y·mo·ra [òksee máwrə] or ox·y·mo·rons)
    expression with contradictory words: a phrase in which two words of contradictory meaning are used together for special effect, e.g. “wise fool” or “legal murder”

  139. @

    Keep looking what happens as JH joins the bandwagon.

    He is a politician by blood and he is not to be fooled around with estab kids.

    You have been planted with a time bomb and only time will tell when it explodes and what he takes away along.

  140. Best news of the new year

    “PTI-Musharraf alliance?: Decision after due deliberation, says Qureshi ”

    Finally the cat is out of the bag. So much so for JH being promised by IK personally that alliance with moshe is out of question. Even considering an alliance speaks a lot. Now I am ready for fascist under-19 fan club to make my maan bahan aik. BTW I don’t want to hear the Dr Alvi has denied the news. I can bet that this alvi guy is on his way out and very soon another lota/khota taking over his place as new secretary general. Now I understand what Pakistan Tamasha-e-Inquilab meant when they said that they will bring moshe back to Pakistan. It looks like they will bring him back and put him right back to presidency with our beloved IK as PM and SMQ as FM, KS as Education minister (to implement beacon house model to taat schools) etc.


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